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Veterans dying because of health care delays
CNN ^ | Jan 30, 2014 | Scott Bronstein, Nelli Black, and Drew Griffin

Posted on 01/31/2014 6:28:18 AM PST by Innovative

U.S. veterans are dying because of delays in diagnosis and treatment at VA hospitals.

At least 19 veterans have died because of delays in simple medical screenings like colonoscopies or endoscopies, at various VA hospitals or clinics, CNN has learned.

The new document obtained by CNN shows a worse problem than has previously been made public by the VA.

As CNN has previously reported, as many as 7,000 veterans were on a backlog list -- waiting too long for colonscopies or endoscopies -- at VA facilities in Columbia, South Carolina and Augusta, Georgia.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: government; healthcare; medicalcare; obama; obamacare; obamacarefuture; socializedmedicine; vahealthcare; vahospitals; veterans; veteranshealthcare
This is what happens when you have to depend on the government for your healthcare.

This is a horrible way to treat our veterans, but it's also a preview of things to come for ALL of us under Obamacare.

Please read the full article to get all the details -- it's worth it.

1 posted on 01/31/2014 6:28:18 AM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

CNN also had a previous article, dated Nov 30, 2013:

Hospital delays are killing America’s war veterans

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/health/veterans-dying-health-care-delays/index.html


2 posted on 01/31/2014 6:30:50 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

This depends entirely on where you are located. Some areas....are heavily underdeveloped. There’s a VA Center up in Colorado....in the far south of the state....which has lots of open appointments and high regards. Some of these centers around north Florida....just aren’t built for the number of clients they have.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 6:31:07 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Innovative
The VA system is a window to look at Obamacare.
4 posted on 01/31/2014 6:33:33 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Innovative

No other business or government department could get away with treating people as shabbily as the VA does.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 6:34:58 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mountainlion
The VA system is a window to look at Obamacare.

Actually more a window into what will happen when Obamacare implodes and the true goal of Obamacare - a move to single-payer National Healthcare happens.

6 posted on 01/31/2014 6:37:40 AM PST by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: mountainlion

And will deteriorate exponentially as the islamist enemy wins his war against us.


7 posted on 01/31/2014 6:38:53 AM PST by onedoug
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To: blueunicorn6
No other business or government department could get away with treating people as shabbily as the VA does.

A National healthcare System, which is the true goal of Obamacare, will treat people just as shabbily if not more so.

8 posted on 01/31/2014 6:38:54 AM PST by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: Innovative

About 10 years ago, when I turned 50, the VA said I needed a colonoscopy. Told me there was a 3 year waiting list. Went to my primary care provider through my work insurance and got one in 3 weeks.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 6:45:12 AM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: Innovative

The treatment rendered by some VAs (there are a few exceptions) is abominable. This is the kind of “health care” that will be provided once the progs push through their brand of universal care.

The Atlanta VA is, out of the 7 VA hospitals I’ve received care, the absolute pits!


10 posted on 01/31/2014 6:51:55 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam Wants You Dead!)
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To: Innovative
In my personal experience with VA healthcare, its always been timely, efficient and competent. Sad that many vets don't find the same.
11 posted on 01/31/2014 6:52:26 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Bruce Kurtz

“Told me there was a 3 year waiting list. Went to my primary care provider through my work insurance and got one in 3 weeks.”

3 week vs 3 year waiting list — I can believe it and this is how it will be under Obamacare — the 3 year waiting list.

Canada is also a view into gov run healthcare:

Funding cuts hurt cataract wait time

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3115981/posts

There the waiting time went from 5 months (!!!) which people were used to, to almost a year!!!!


12 posted on 01/31/2014 6:57:37 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: JPG
Good morning.

In my personal experience with VA healthcare, its always been timely, efficient and competent.

When I first entered the VA in 1979 the Richmond, and Tampa (just opened) hospitals sucked. By 1985, both hospitals have been good. James A. Haley and staff are very good, with few complaints.

5.56mm

13 posted on 01/31/2014 7:09:32 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Innovative

The VA has doctors.

It will soon look like the Mayo Clinic compared with the Obamacare system

No one really looked into comparisons with military medicine and with socialized medicine systems in other countries

The VA has always been like this. Do people think it USEDto be good? When?


14 posted on 01/31/2014 7:16:42 AM PST by stanne
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To: Innovative

Obamacare has one major effect. Very few people would go to med school now

In five to ten yrs there will be a shortage of providers that will be profound and the future of that situation, not better

What we will have is the VA with 100 X the patients and no providers. The stupidity of our allowing this to happen, BOner blaming the shutdown on Cruz, she offer shutting out Cruz speak instead if heeding cruz’ warmings will be devastating

Obamacare Do people think it won’t be a hundred times worse than the VA but without the providers?


15 posted on 01/31/2014 7:23:45 AM PST by stanne
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To: M Kehoe
--James A. Haley and staff are very good, with few complaints.--

Haley is my facility and I have no complaints with my care.

16 posted on 01/31/2014 7:35:25 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Innovative

This is the plan. Obama’s plans are all coming to fruition.


17 posted on 01/31/2014 7:40:00 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Innovative

There is story after story claiming how wonderful VA government run healthcare is to justify single payer. Say it ain’t so that it fails. Better bring in tens of millions of illegals to fix everything. That seems to be the new solution to all our problems.


18 posted on 01/31/2014 8:06:10 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Innovative

this has been going on for a long time...its not new....what did people really expect?


19 posted on 01/31/2014 8:07:46 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Innovative

Coming soon to the rest of us.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 8:09:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Innovative

Waiting .................
I can emphasize with you there

I had a fast, really fast growing tumor around a 35yr old shell fragment in my leg. Went from ping pong ball size to tennis ball in 4 months. VA waiting list was 1 year for surgery. Had to go to private physician/surgeon and had it out in about 3 weeks.

Then years later was put on a 6 month waiting list for prostate biopsy, thank god it was benign as 6 months for a malignant tumor could push it to metasticise.

The actual care and Dr’s are great, but yo have to be able to get in to them first.


21 posted on 01/31/2014 8:21:48 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: mountainlion
The VA system doesn't even take care of all veterans...you have to fit their profile, which is not exactly black and white...

from what I can figure, you have to be poor, or you have to have a service related injury, or you had to be in during wartime and in the war zone....My husband keeps getting denied service and that's all I can come up with ....he was covered by my insurance and even though he was active in the 1970's he never was in Nam...

his brother on the other hand, was in the Navy during that time....he had one flight where he landed at an airport in Nam, never got out of the plane, yet was granted Va access because he had "been" in Viet Nam.......go figure.....

22 posted on 01/31/2014 8:23:17 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Innovative

I work on contract to the VA. The hospital I am affiliated with has a few delays but overall the care is adequate and sometimes very good.

I was told by the Chief of Ambulatory Care that there are 3 office staff for every health care provider at that hospital. And THAT my FRiends, is where all the money goes.


23 posted on 01/31/2014 9:00:59 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: cherry

I can go to the VA and get treated under my disability or use my health insurance and VA will pay any Copay. The requirements are murky as you say.


24 posted on 01/31/2014 9:08:18 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Innovative

and funding for the VA health care facilities has had a great increase since 2009 - but still the delays

in addition

a report directly from the VA recently announced they were changing the rules on what RNs and nurse practitioners could do, adding to their jobs some things, some times, that doctors often do and some of those things will be allowed to be done in some cases without a doctor’s supervision - due to a big shortage of doctors at many VA facilities

the nursing profession is applauding the change, and the doctors are warning of what they feel will be significant problems


25 posted on 01/31/2014 12:59:16 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Innovative

What was it that Kathleen Sebillius said? Some will live, some will die? It’s all going according to plan apparently.


26 posted on 01/31/2014 1:01:45 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: Innovative

Soon coming to an Obamacare facility near you.


27 posted on 01/31/2014 1:39:29 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Innovative

It’s what “they” wanted anyway. Cut the pay, delay the care and ruin the best and bravest. Alinsky would be proud, that evil, country-killer.


28 posted on 01/31/2014 2:42:48 PM PST by madison10
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To: JPG

I’ve never had any problems in the Palo Alto region either. Perhaps I’m just lucky but severity of VA issues appear to be very dependent on what part of the overall system you’re dealing with.


29 posted on 01/31/2014 2:54:39 PM PST by Bob
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To: Innovative

To bad no one in government or elected officials are held accountable.

What they should do, is immediately force all of Congress and the Senate in VA facilities for care/treatment for the next 5 years or until the problems are addressed.


30 posted on 01/31/2014 9:12:30 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Innovative

It’s just as bad if not worse in the UK. The Daily Mail is full of horror stories. Some of them would make you cry.


31 posted on 02/01/2014 10:22:49 AM PST by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: pepsionice
This depends entirely on where you are located.

I totally agree with this statement. I'm in northern Cali and go to the hospitals at Mather in Sacramento and Reno. I see out patient GP's at the clinic in Redding. I can not say enough good things about any of these VA facilities. They are on par with the private care I get in other area facilities.

This is a good place to give those hard working people a big thumbs up and a loud thank you. We all tell them when they get it wrong but we need to tell them when they get it right.

32 posted on 02/01/2014 2:17:07 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Innovative

Obama equates G.I bill with welfare

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3150204017001/obama-equates-gi-bill-with-welfare/?playlist_id=921261890001#sp=show-clips


33 posted on 02/04/2014 7:42:17 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: oldenuff2no

for the most part, front line staff, medical and support staff work vey hard.

the problem in such a big and also governmental agency is that “accountability/lack of accountability” from the top is difficult to move down to the specific hospital or satellite clinics. the private sector has its own problems...its changing very quickly.

there is also the terrific pressure from the top down to measure performance as 100% and that thrwarts management saying “we need more staf, more resources” when this country doesn’t HAVE more staff (difficult to get doctors, especially specialists because of the doctor shortages that keep going up)and because we are trillions in debt and waste so much money on Progressive Boondoggle projects. any staff that wants to “tell the truth” will be gone very fast cause our citizens don’t want to hear the truth—the reality.


34 posted on 05/08/2014 4:15:18 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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