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House GOP split over forging ahead on immigration this year
The Hill ^ | January 31, 2014 | Russell Berman

Posted on 01/31/2014 7:58:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

CAMBRIDGE, Md. – House Republicans meeting privately at their retreat on Thursday were split on whether the leadership should forge ahead with immigration legislation this year, according to people in the room.

After Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) opened the floor to members following his release of leadership’s “principles” for immigration reform, dozens of members stood up to speak, and the responses fell into four broad categories, said Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.), a leading Republican advocate for immigration reform.

Some conservative lawmakers, like immigration reform foe Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), said the party should do nothing. Others like Diaz-Balart and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) offered full support for the leadership principles and a green light for moving on to legislation.

But a large contingent of members stood up to urge caution and voiced concerns not so much with the substance of the principles as with the timing of pushing immigration reform in an election year and under a Democratic president they don’t trust to enforce the law.

The principles back legal status for undocumented immigrants but only after they have met certain requirements and unspecified “enforcement triggers” have been put in place. Boehner said the standards were “as far as we are willing to go,” and then opened up the floor to members, allowing them one minute each to weigh in on the proposal.

Distrust of President Obama, Diaz-Balart said in a phone interview, was “the biggest issue” that Republicans raised.

“I think we can get there, but that’s the biggest challenge,” he said. “We got a lot [of pushback] on the timing and a lot on the trust issue.

“If we can’t give people confidence that it’s enforceable,” Diaz-Balart added, “then we have a serious problem.”

The leadership principles sought to head off that concern.

“Faced with a consistent pattern of administrations of both parties only selectively enforcing our nation’s immigration laws, we must enact reform that ensures that a president cannot unilaterally stop immigration enforcement,” the principles state.

And toward the end of the closed-door meeting, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), stood up to argue that legislation could be written in such a way to ensure enforcement and that Congress would have other options if an administration fell short, Diaz-Balart said.

Several Republicans in the room said the response from the rank-and-file was not surprising and that the people who stood up to voice concerns were “predictable.”

Boehner emphasized in the meeting that no decisions had been made about whether to move forward on legislation, and the leaders are likely to continue talking and working to build support in the coming weeks.

Earlier on Thursday, the House GOP campaign chief, Rep. Greg Walden (Ore.), said that any floor vote on immigration legislation was “probably months out” and would therefore come after primary election deadlines that are worrying some lawmakers.

While Diaz-Balart had previously hoped to act earlier in the year, he said Thursday, “I don’t think things are ready to move quicker than that.”

In the one-page blueprint, House Republicans explicitly rule out a “special path to citizenship,” but they say that it is in the nation’s interest for people who entered the country illegally to come forward and register with the government without fear of deportation.

“Our national and economic security depend on requiring people who are living and working here illegally to come forward and get right with the law,” the GOP standards say. “There will be no special path to citizenship for individuals who broke our nation’s immigration laws — that would be unfair to those immigrants who have played by the rules and harmful to promoting the rule of law.

“Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits).”

The Republicans say that “criminals, gang members and sex offenders” would not be eligible for legal status.

“Finally, none of this can happen before specific enforcement triggers have been implemented to fulfill our promise to the American people that from here on, our immigration laws will indeed be enforced,” the principles state.

The Republicans do not say what specific triggers must be meant.

Children who were brought into the country illegally “through no fault of their own” by their parents would be eligible for legal residence and citizenship.

The document also calls for strengthened border and interior security, a biometric visa-tracking system, a new E-Verify system for employers, reforms to the high-skilled visa system and a temporary worker program.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014; aliens; amnesty; bordersecurity; gopamnesty; illegal; immigration

1 posted on 01/31/2014 7:58:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“Faced with a consistent pattern of administrations of both parties only selectively enforcing our nation’s immigration laws, we must enact reform that ensures that a president cannot unilaterally stop immigration enforcement,” the principles state.

The only way to ensure the trustworthiness of today's lawmakers in both parties is to make them directly accountable to the people. And I do not mean at the ballot box. I do mean physically accountable.

As in drag-them-out-of-their-houses-and-throw-them-in-the-klink accountable.

But since that can never happen its best to assume that there will be no law made we can trust them to enforce. They are liars and opportunists - almost every one.

2 posted on 01/31/2014 8:03:06 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How nice it would be if the Republican Base had some political representation in DC.....

Seems Boner & McSurrender are focused like a laser on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. ObamaCare should be the focus as it is a winner. For example, my immigrant bro-in-law got his $235/month health insurance canceld by Obama. The Obama equivalent is $409/month.

Amnesty is a loser for the Repubs. You know if it would help the Repubs, the Dems would be fighting it tooth and nail...and probably have already laid mine fields, electric fences and the TSA along the Border.

My (legal) immigrant family members resent any Amnestry (or freebies) for illegals.

Can only hope Boner and McSurrender are getting well paid to betray the Repub Party Base.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 8:06:20 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This only encourages people to come to the USA and have children born here INTO CITIZENSHIP for a better life for their children.

Essentially you are going to have a “skip” generation but it will not matter with the rampant voter fraud.


4 posted on 01/31/2014 8:07:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: skeeter

Besides, you know Obama via Executive Order or via Dem political operatives now filling Federal Judge spots, will not enforce anything they do not like.

So why make new laws for they to ignore?

Might as well be N.Chamberlain going back to Germany for another treaty with A.Hitler. Wow! I bring back yet another worthless piece of paper!


5 posted on 01/31/2014 8:09:09 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Every proposed requirement in that article is window dressing meant to pacify voters then be ignored once the bill is passed. The so called triggers will be watered down or eliminated in the conference committee. The Senate will have a say in the bill and their version won’t look at all like the House version.


6 posted on 01/31/2014 8:09:53 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: OldArmy52

Anyone who has confidence in the judicial and political systems in this country anymore is a fool.


7 posted on 01/31/2014 8:11:00 AM PST by skeeter
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To: OldArmy52

There are already enough illegals here that have had American babies who when they get older will vote Democrat. We have already lost. The Republicans are just trying to speed up the timeline.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 8:11:00 AM PST by sheana
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

firethespeaker.com


9 posted on 01/31/2014 8:13:47 AM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: longtermmemmory
They “don't trust the administration.”

First: What was your first CLUE.

Second: When did that ever stop you guys from doing utterly despicable things, when your calculations revealed that it will benefit you and your inner circle.

Preserving your individual fiefdoms, safely embedded in the Repub Party, is your PRIMARY CONCERN.

We are supposed to be satisfied with the assumption that as long as you (individual Senate-Rat, Congress-Critter) survive and prosper in your Republican Nest, Then America Traditional Values will be served.

You don't trust the Adi ministration? I don't trust them either, NOR YOU!

10 posted on 01/31/2014 8:17:35 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ANYTHING they send to the Senate will be chopped up and the joint committee will come out with the Gang of 8’s plan.

==

As Rush Limbaugh warned yesterday: If the House passes amnesty this year, the GOP will lose the House.

Even Rush wondered why the GOPelites are so bent on committing mass political party suicide. The only possible answer seemed to be that the old timers who will be retiring soon already have high-paying gigs lined up with many of those represented by the Chamber of Commerce, etc. — if they can get amnesty passed.


11 posted on 01/31/2014 8:17:40 AM PST by TomGuy
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12 posted on 01/31/2014 8:22:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

you can’t have a second class citizen with no voting rights. Some uber liberal closet commie judge will see to mandating citizenship.

remember law school professors only teach from the faaaaar left.


13 posted on 01/31/2014 8:24:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DJ MacWoW
No Way Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

14 posted on 01/31/2014 8:28:36 AM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

More evidence that we need to pour it on to our reps to make them understand that we are watching their every move and know which votes count and which are just for show.


15 posted on 01/31/2014 8:39:35 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just sent to our Congressman:

We DO NOT WANT the GOP to waste any time on crafting some immigration legislation. We expect to see work on repealing 0bamacare, and budget cutting, deficit reduction, the whole belt-tightening exercise.

There is nothing to be gained, even from a political perspective, to work with the administration and/or Senate on agreeing to easing of immigration law. CLOSE THE BORDERS. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. There are not enough jobs, as it is, for Americans. We cannot afford more social programs, more bureaucracy, any more resources going toward the “immigration” bleeding hearts causes.

Please vote against any legislation that is intended to be “immigration reform”.

Thank you.


16 posted on 01/31/2014 8:40:00 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: longtermmemmory; xzins
you can’t have a second class citizen with no voting rights. Some uber liberal closet commie judge will see to mandating citizenship.

It could be a conservative judge who would rule that way. You can't create a permanent underclass by granting a group of people permanent resident class while denying them an equal opportunity to seek naturalization. This would be akin to creating a slave class.

Any Republican that claims they support amnesty without citizenship is either an idiot or a liar. Or maybe a lying idiot.

17 posted on 01/31/2014 8:46:38 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Does anyone know why it’s all of a sudden so important to do anything about immigration, specifically relating to illegals from Mexico?


18 posted on 01/31/2014 8:47:59 AM PST by relentlessly
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We did not want Obamacare, and you Neo-Democrat RINOs gave it to us anyway, and we are the worse for it.

We DO want y’all to enforce existing Federal Border Laws.

WE DO NOT WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM ! Y’all gave us that in 1986, and we are the worse for it!

Now y’all say that “we need to cave in this year to Obama on Immigration Reform.” Why this perversion to betray us!?

This is the same GEE OH PEE pablum that you Neo-Democrat RINOs have been always been feeding to the gullible, low information voters.

McCain, McConnell, Cornyn, Boehner, Cantor, and Ryan are always “waiting for massive support from the Public” before they even consider doing a pitched battle with the enemy.

The “enemy” is y’a’ll caving in to Obama! Just enforce existing Border Laws!

Y’all go on TV to publicly beat y’alls chests, and then “reach across the aisle to y’alls good friends in order to get something done.”

You Neo-Democrat RINOs will never lead, will always wait for a groundswell of Public discontent before risking incurring the wrath of their most dreaded enemy: The Leftstream Media.

Note to all the Congressional RINO leaders: We gave y’all in 2010 what y’all said y’all were waiting for - - - - The Massive TEA Party Rebellion, and y’all fought us every step of the way, and are fighting us now more than ever!

We gave y’all the support that y’all asked for and y’all betrayed us!

Betray us once, shame on you. Betray us twice, shame on us!

LEAD, OR GET OUT OF OUR WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, we have long memories, and just so y’all know, RINO SEASON IS NOW OPEN AND THERE ARE NO BAG LIMITS !


19 posted on 01/31/2014 9:16:55 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"... to come forward and get right with the law,” the GOP standards say...

There is that word again, like nails on a chalkboard.

Nice to confirm where the GOP-e is taking us.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 9:17:23 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

HOW ABOUT BLUE SLIPPING IT?


21 posted on 01/31/2014 9:40:10 AM PST by struggle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Rats have to laughing their asses off. They are staring into the abyss of an epic beat down in November, and the GOP is going to save them by doing THE ONE THING guaranteed to infuriate the base and make them stay home.


22 posted on 01/31/2014 9:51:59 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You want enforcement? Then allow state and private prosecutions of offender.


23 posted on 01/31/2014 9:53:42 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

These people will delay a vote on this until after the elections. Don’t fall for it!


24 posted on 01/31/2014 10:09:07 AM PST by gunner03
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To: Kozak
...the GOP is going to save them by doing THE ONE THING guaranteed to infuriate the base and make them stay home.

Well, that's why they call 'em the Stupid Party. This will cause/is causing a Civil War within the GOP and will mean the end of the GOP.

25 posted on 01/31/2014 10:10:47 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Nea Wood
This will cause/is causing a Civil War within the GOP and will mean the end of the GOP.

So be it.

26 posted on 01/31/2014 10:11:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I agree!


27 posted on 01/31/2014 10:15:39 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So the cheap labor contingent of the Republican Party is okay with having second-class residents in the US who are not citizens? That would be the 21st century update of slavery.

There's only one answer. The invaders self-deport, or they're never allowed in the US again. Unfair competition is ended with tariffs. Anyone who abets them with jobs or providing government services gets fined and given a criminal record. Let the free marketplace sort out matching US citizens with employment opportunities.

28 posted on 01/31/2014 10:19:39 AM PST by grania
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To: Nea Wood

Yeah. I can barely contain my rage.
This was the major reason I quit registering Republican in 06.
I was a little kid in Chicago handing out Goldwater literature, was a Young Republican for Nixon, voted for Ford in my first election and and voted GOP ever since. It’s getting harder and harder. I stood in the voting booth for 10 minutes before I could force myself to pull the lever for McCain. I almost stayed home last time. If they pull this crap, I will stay home, it’s pointless.


29 posted on 01/31/2014 10:35:35 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Boehner, Cantor and Ryan do not represent us. They represent those trying to impoverish and destroy us.

They are the enemy.


30 posted on 01/31/2014 11:31:03 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How many amnesties do we have to have before the immigration laws are enforced ??


31 posted on 01/31/2014 11:37:46 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Timocrat

Are work visas even issued, anymore? Or, do we just open the gate and hand out EBT cards as they’re passing through?


32 posted on 01/31/2014 11:43:14 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sample Letter for US Representatives:

Dear Honorable US Representative ...

Sir, I am extremely upset with this latest sham amnesty immigration proposals the US House of Representatives is currently considering.

Words cannot express my anger at the utter foolishness of these proposals. Rewarding criminal behavior encourages more criminal behavior. People cannot begin their careers in America by breaking the law. Further, it hurts minimum wage American workers by causing them to compete with millions of foreign workers. I am dismayed at those in Congress who lack the understanding of this critical issue to our nation.

I like most Americans are in favor of legal immigration for those who are willing to learn our language, culture, and invest the time and money required to become a U.S. citizen - but not for those who willfully break on our laws, spit on our country, demand benefits, and are not willing to go through proper channels to become an American citizen.

What is the solution? It won’t be easy because we didn’t get into this situation overnight. I believe we need to do the following immediately:

1) Secure our borders
2) Enforce existing law
3) Not allow any amnesty provisions of any kind
4) Improve our visa system
5) Prosecute and fine those businesses which knowingly employ illegal workers
6) Give law enforcement officials the necessary resources and authority to combat illegal immigration
7) Deport illegal aliens violating the law after being fingerprinted, photographed, iris scanned, charged with a felony, and their information placed in a national database.
8) Send a bill for deportation/prison costs to the embassy of the illegal immigrant’s national origin.
9) 2nd time and thereafter repeat offenses by illegal aliens should be sent to work prison camps for a maximum of 6 months - building the southern fence/wall.
10) Seize and liquidate all assets from illegal aliens and use the proceeds for our military and local law enforcement.
11) Must not give illegal immigrants government welfare benefits of any kind, including Social Security
12) Designate English as our national language
13) Change the 14th Amendment regarding birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants
14) Mandatory proof of citizenship for voting
15) Mandatory proof of legal status for DL or ANY government issued ID or benefits card
16) Put pressure on the Mexican government and other nations to reduce illegal immigration to America.
17) Encourage only legal immigration and citizenship to for those wanting to become Americans.

These ENFORCED changes would strengthen America greatly.

Please consider voting against any illegal immigration amnesty bills should they come before the full House floor.

Sincerely and respectfully,


33 posted on 01/31/2014 11:45:47 AM PST by Lions Gate
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To: relentlessly

This news is actually interesting in the “why is the GOP doing this” perspective. The consensus, that I tend to agree with, is that immigration reform is suicidal for the GOP.

But most Americans don’t trust Obama. The issue being presented here is one of ... not trusting Obama. I wonder if the GOP is trying to thread a needle here: stop immigration reform and take it off the table in a way that neutralizes it as a political issue, by using it as a weapon to highlight Obama’s untrustfullness ...


34 posted on 01/31/2014 11:48:33 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What will the very hated, and self-servingly EXEMPT
treasonous Congress decide this time?

SSDD


35 posted on 01/31/2014 12:52:21 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: skeeter

“physically accountable “ works for me. While there might not be a direct way to jail an incompetent, lying, politician when he gets back home it is indeed possible to put enough fear into his double-dealing butt so that he doesn’t want to come back home. Start off with sueing them for non-performance and work it up from there. Make their mizzerable lives absolutely difficult.


36 posted on 01/31/2014 1:04:06 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: tanknetter

Hmmmm...not trust Obama!

Well, that’s not a revelation - it’s a fact.

Anyway, the only way to structure this relates to securing the border with a non-political committee (if that is even possible) to perform the certification that the border is secure.

There are many wonderful people that I’ve meet - illegals from Mexico, but the fact remains that they need to go back home and apply to immigrate here - if that is their wish. We have already got a huge issue with low skilled workers not being able to find full-time, long term employment - adding millions to the lower end would be a disaster for them and down the line for all of us.


37 posted on 01/31/2014 3:01:37 PM PST by relentlessly
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

From the article: “But a large contingent of members stood up to urge caution and voiced concerns not so much with the substance of the principles as with the timing of pushing immigration reform in an election year and under a Democratic president they don’t trust to enforce the law.”

Or said another way, the time isn’t perfect for shoving it down our throats.


38 posted on 01/31/2014 3:33:07 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: TomGuy
As Rush Limbaugh warned yesterday: If the House passes amnesty this year, the GOP will lose the House.

I told my Congressman that if he caves on Amnesty, I will vote for the democrat just to make sure he gets tossed out in November. Then I will run for his seat in 2016.

39 posted on 01/31/2014 3:54:52 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: All
Distrust of President Obama was “the biggest issue” that Republicans raised.

Understandable----b/c amnesty is Obamacare w/ Spanish subtitles.

40 posted on 02/01/2014 8:50:06 AM PST by Liz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So instead of working full time to repeal CommieCare, this traitor clown Boner wants to aid and abet an invasion of historic proportions?

Why does anyone call this guy a “Republican” anymore?


41 posted on 02/01/2014 9:23:00 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits).”

If they don't do any of these things, will you throw them out? I don't believe you will. All we will here is the same old horse sh!t about how we can't separate families just because one member had a minor brush with the law. Or how about "We can't deport them for being on welfare because of a disability, or a run of bad luck, or maybe the poor economy. What about the poor children?".

Blech!

The Republicans say that “criminals, gang members and sex offenders” would not be eligible for legal status.

But they won't register anyways and the government won't look for them or throw them out.

42 posted on 02/01/2014 9:43:27 AM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: longtermmemmory

The Republican Party sends me frequent emails, asking for money. I reply back saying ObamaCare is a winning issue but that Amnesty is a losing issue and I give a few reasons why.

After my first or 2nd reply, all my replies since have been called “spam” by them and rejected.

They still send money request emails though.

But if they view my expressing opposition to Amnesty as “spam”, then I will indicate to my email settings that their emails are spam.

“Welcome to the One Party Fascist State where no Party represents the Middle Class/Conservatives/Republican Base.


43 posted on 02/01/2014 2:35:46 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits).”

These jokers truly think we are stupid.


44 posted on 02/01/2014 7:19:32 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Kozak

A perfect storm brewing for a wipeout of Democrats in the mid-terms and the idiot RINO’s are playing with amnesty instead.


45 posted on 02/01/2014 7:24:34 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: tanknetter

You are giving the GOP too much credit.


46 posted on 02/01/2014 7:26:45 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Limbaugh just expressed the theory that Boner and his buds main reason for even bringing up any form of immigration is to weaken the Tea Party while still receiving enough votes to keep the house and win the senate in Nov.

It made a lot of sense. There has to be a reason for the GOPe idiocy besides just being stupid.

I hope the Tea Party members were listening.

47 posted on 02/03/2014 10:30:56 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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