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Should Republicans Embrace Universal Healthcare?
American Thinker ^ | 01/31/2014 | By Wes Schellenbaum

Posted on 01/31/2014 8:43:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Voters have been primed to blame the rich for their woes and expect medical insurance as a right, so the next logical step will be to morph ObamaCare into a vessel that achieves those goals: socialized medicine.

The Republican alternatives of self-reliance and invisible hand manifestations are like a Beethoven concerto played for a strip club audience demanding heavy metal to accompany overt gyrations by a near-naked entertainer.

Can Republicans entice the majority without selling their souls, not to mention the future of our great Republic, or will they allow further slide into the unsustainable, inefficient transfer-of-wealth Democratic vision?

To get logically to where I believe Republicans need to be on this issue, let us consider the status quo.

Government employees have great medical insurance. Lawmakers have legislated the best insurance for themselves, but all "public servants" have also been ordained to deserve superior insurance. While teachers, for example, complain about being underpaid for their nine months of work each year, they happily accept their twelve months of excellent health insurance.

As union members, many government employees, including teachers, overlap the second group with generally great insurance. It isn't a coincidence that unions, as big Democratic supporters, received special exemptions from ObamaCare.

In addition, Medicaid has been expanded by Obamacare, and while this insurance has never been championed as the best in the land, it does provide free coverage to an increasing number of people.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gop; healthcare; republicans

1 posted on 01/31/2014 8:43:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

NO


2 posted on 01/31/2014 8:44:54 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SeekAndFind

Republicans “should”? be Conservative and follow Conservative ideals.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 8:45:17 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

No.


4 posted on 01/31/2014 8:45:46 AM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Republicans” who embrace universal healthcare might as well then take the next step and join the communist party.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 8:45:52 AM PST by MNnice
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To: SeekAndFind

6 posted on 01/31/2014 8:46:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

7 posted on 01/31/2014 8:46:36 AM PST by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: SeekAndFind

Republicans should embrace the US Constitution and let the rest flow from there.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 8:46:41 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: SeekAndFind

Won’t matter.

The GOP will be way past death watch right after it bends over and allows a Bawney Fwank by the illegal aliens.

The GOP is dead, dead, dead.

They stink...they smell like Obamastuff.

They are uglier than Nostralitis Waxman.

They are dumber than Nancy (boink a rich man and become a congresscritter) Box-osi.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 8:47:03 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberty is dying.

We are about to enter, as Churchill predicted, a new Dark Age m. One which will be made the more terrible and prolonged by the sinister powers of science.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 8:49:33 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Republican incumbents probably will because they're only interested in clinging to power by squirting money at voters. The party no longer represents those who support a rational, constitutional, pro-freedom form of government.
11 posted on 01/31/2014 8:49:58 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah... The answer to this will always be “No”.


12 posted on 01/31/2014 8:51:57 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

NO


13 posted on 01/31/2014 8:52:07 AM PST by NEMDF
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14 posted on 01/31/2014 8:52:27 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Doogle
The author makes a mistake many liberals do. He takes current numbers (health care is currently 17% of GDP) and assumes that changes in policy will have no effect on them. Universal Health care, or even Obamacare will drive that percentage up. What happens when it is 20%, or 25%. As health care consumes resources, what happens to national security? Infrastructure? We are already running huge budget deficits and medicare deficits. The truth is, we cannot afford the health care we have now, and that was with a modicum of market forces. With those removed, we will invariably consume even more, IMHO.

One of the key problems is that we have developed medical technologies that are more and more costly. We all want the latest procedures/pharmaceuticals/prosthetics, but we want someone else to pay for them. The future promises more of the same. Handing out blank checks will not solve the problem, as I see it,

15 posted on 01/31/2014 8:56:47 AM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

.....IT’S ODUNGO’s objective....


16 posted on 01/31/2014 8:58:00 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: fhayek

Articles like this are all about getting the ball rolling on the GOP helping to “fix” obamacare.

Something will have to be done. Over 50 million people we lose their employer provided health care and be dumped on the exchanges by their employers. Maybe 100 million. The GOP knows there will be way to repeal Democratcare once that back once it happens. So the GOP leadership is just sitting tight and letting it happen.


17 posted on 01/31/2014 9:00:12 AM PST by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind

Not in a million years!
(What a question!?)


18 posted on 01/31/2014 9:03:03 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: SeekAndFind
Universal health caresometimes referred to as universal health coverage, universal coverage, or universal care — usually refers to a health care system which provides health care and financial protection to all its citizens. It is organized around providing a specified package of benefits to all members of a society with the end goal of providing financial risk protection, improved access to health services, and improved health outcomes.[1] Universal health care is not a one-size-fits-all concept; nor does it imply coverage for all people for everything. Universal health care can be determined by three critical dimensions: who is covered, what services are covered, and how much of the cost is covered.[1]

Common Sense 101; Universal Healthcare would be unsustainable on every level.
Universal Healthcare is the Liberal buzz-word for power.
Like Obamacare, 30million plus, people will STILL be without healthcare i.e., insurance of any kind. Healthcare will still be provided for the truly needy.
Answer is: NO....no one should embrace healthcare, Universal or Obamacare.

19 posted on 01/31/2014 9:04:32 AM PST by yoe
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember the adage, “No question is stupid if you don’t know the answer”. This is the exception.. the question is stupid. NO, NO, and NO.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 9:05:01 AM PST by momtothree
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To: SeekAndFind

Why? Healthcare is meant to be individual, if it is universal and we all must fit into the same pattern.

Perhaps instead of MyRA they should have MyHealthcare for the poor to buy into.


21 posted on 01/31/2014 9:05:04 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not? They’ve already embraced Amnesty.


22 posted on 01/31/2014 9:07:00 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SeekAndFind

simple answer is NO NO NO


23 posted on 01/31/2014 9:08:01 AM PST by Nifster
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s my biggest question for Mark Levin.

In an era where so many of our fellow citizens seem to feel that they have a RIGHT to health care, do we REALLY want to be opening up an Article V Convention?


24 posted on 01/31/2014 9:08:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Government involvement is generally not an ‘improvement’. I can’t even begin contemplate how this would work and I’m not even going to try.


25 posted on 01/31/2014 9:09:59 AM PST by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure, just let islamocommunism sweep over the land. We were only supposed to be America, evidently.


26 posted on 01/31/2014 9:10:25 AM PST by onedoug
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To: MNnice

Again we come back to the definitions.
What is a “Republican”? Do they mean the GOPe that’s entrenched in DC? Probably.

They certainly don’t mean the base, the conservatives, because “universal healthcare” is antithetical.


27 posted on 01/31/2014 9:12:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cruz’s effort was the last chance to kill Universal Health Care.

It’s all about how to do it now.
This fellow has a lot of misconceptions.
Basically, it requires the greatest degree of economic freedom: national private plans with coverage as desired by their customers. and, of course, subsidies for the shiftless and stupid.


28 posted on 01/31/2014 9:14:02 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How yuh gunna pay for it?


29 posted on 01/31/2014 9:18:11 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The writer seems to be operating under the assumption that socialism and freedom are just different ways of achieving the same good results. If that were true, then everyone should be a socialist. The problem is when mean old reality sets in. We live in a world of scarce resources. Don’t like it, take it up with God, or at least with Adam and Eve. What forces can more efficiently allocate those scarce resources to their highest and best use? Government/coercion? Or markets/freedom? Hong Kong or Cuba? North Korea or South Korea? East Germany or West Germany?

This is not like picking who you are going to support in the Super Bowl. His analogy of playing Beethoven to a heavy metal-loving strip club crowd is too crude to make much of a point. This is not all just a matter of taste (or of getting elected for the sake of getting elected). There are real world consequences. Really.


30 posted on 01/31/2014 9:26:00 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Egalitarianism and making something free to the individual and chargeable to the group as a whole is to make consumption of the individual virtually costless, which leads to the abolition of cost in the spending of income, which leads individuals to demand everything.

The increase in demand leads to:

1) an overall increase in cost of medical care as a whole to the taxpayers.
2) a decrease in quality and quality of medical care supplied by doctors to individuals.

The bureaucratizing of medicine and the control of doctor's fees and treatments turns doctors into slaves, and ultimately makes medicine unattractive as a profession, which will lead to a decrease in the supply of doctors and a doctor shortage.

To control costs, the government will have to resort to death panels, a prohibition of many procedures, and opposition to medical advances, in order to save money.

31 posted on 01/31/2014 9:27:09 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SeekAndFind; All
NO!

Republicans are accused of every sort of ill will, stupidity, ignorance, hate, etc. having nothing to do with reality. Liberals do it because the media publishes their views as truth and people at large believe it. IT WORKS1

GOD HELP AMERICA,

NOT ONLY NO! BUT HELL NO! NEVER!

EVEN WHEN WE AGREE WITH THE LIBERALS IDEAS, WE ARE CASTIGATED AS HAVING ALL SORTS OF BAD INTENTIONS.

WE MUST HAVE FAITH AND STAND STRONG DOING THE RIGHT THING. KEEPING AMERICA ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT CREATED THE GREATEST LIFE, OPPORTUNITIES, AND SUCCESS EVER. MO!

WE CAN NOT STOP THE ATTACKS, TWISTED CORRUPTION OF OUR ACTIONS, ETC. STAND STRONG FOR TRUTH. GOD IS TURNED AWAY FROM THE CURRENT LIFE AS LIVED IN America. SAME SEX MARRIAGE, ABORTION AND MANY THINGS AGAINST HIS COMMANDMENTS. RANT OVER.

32 posted on 01/31/2014 9:34:59 AM PST by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell no, medical care would wind up as crappy as it is in Europe or Canada.


33 posted on 01/31/2014 9:39:36 AM PST by dalereed
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a false premise to begin with. You can shoot for universal enrollment, which as we’ve seen, requires curtailing certain freedoms, but achieving a universality of actual care will never happen due to the inherent imbalance of supply and demand. Just look at the UK.


34 posted on 01/31/2014 9:46:36 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, of course they should. They all screamed at Cruz to get off the stage, Boehner gave him the hook and spreads the false pride that Cruz shut down the govt.

He was supposed to shut up and let it fail and allow republicans to come in and fix it after they took power back

I got yelled at for saying that was crazy that the GOP couldn’t be trusted and Cruz knew it

Now they can prove me right then maybe people will start getting good people in there. Dream on I know


35 posted on 01/31/2014 10:06:54 AM PST by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

If universal coverage had been the goal of Obamacare it sure could have been done cheaper and better. When the Whole Foods article came out basically advocating high deductible plans with health savings account during the debate I did a little research and crunched numbers. Based on what the CMS reported was the per capita expenditure on medical care by the government and what the OPM had as a high deductible plan they offered in every state, I calculated that the government could have bought everyone in the country a high deductible plan and still have saved $200 billion per year. That was before Obamacare was passed. Now we have spent hundreds of billions and have even more uninsured. I think control and not universal coverage is the true goal.


36 posted on 01/31/2014 10:07:49 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: SeekAndFind

Not only no, but hell NO!!


37 posted on 01/31/2014 10:19:49 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP is pushing amnesty, wants to downplay abortion and homo marriage, etc, and now is considering pushing socialist health care? What the hell good is it? FUGOP!!


38 posted on 01/31/2014 10:23:46 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It was government getting involved in healthcare in the 1960’s thru Medicare and Medicaid that ruined healthcare and caused prices to go thru the roof in the first place.

It used to be you could get the doctor to visit you at home for about $5, and he might do a variety of things for you for the price—diagnose you with the flu and give you a script for the pharmacy to cut out your ingrown toenail. All for the same price! But once Medicare starting paying, for example, a maximum of $95 for a ingrown toenail that every doctor and hospital started charging $95 across the country for an ingrown toenail procedure.


39 posted on 01/31/2014 10:40:02 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: SeekAndFind
No.

If I were going to have Universal Health care, I would do a two tier system.

Tier 1 is for folks with their own insurance or purchasing their own care. They get best health care that their insurance or money will buy with whatever arrangements their insurance or they can arrange.

Tier 2 is for folks who don't pay for their own health care. They get bones set, wounds sown up, vaccinations, and generic (only!) meds and have to make a copay ($20 for a visit, $30 for ER, $5 for drugs - adjust for inflation). No heroic measures. No cutting edge medicine. No resuscitation. They are also automatically enrolled as organ donors.

40 posted on 01/31/2014 10:48:27 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

RE: Tier 2 is for folks who don’t pay for their own health care

What happens when they get cancer or a heart attack or get ran over by a car?


41 posted on 01/31/2014 10:51:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They get basic treatment for the issue, but they don’t get the latest and greatest. If that isn’t good enough, they die.

Or they find charity hospitals to take their case and give them the latest and greatest care.

Their need does not create an obligation for their state or the taxpayer. That must come to an end.

There are consequences for not being responsible for your own health care.


42 posted on 01/31/2014 10:59:03 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

You left out those that get chained to the obligation of others: hospitals, doctors, nurses....The State does not care as it can tax.

I continue to see how folks, especially on the Left, can’t grasp that ‘compassion’ doesn’t give the ability to enslave one for the benefit of another. No ‘Right’ entails FORCE.


43 posted on 01/31/2014 11:38:38 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: SeekAndFind

NO


44 posted on 01/31/2014 11:39:48 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: SeekAndFind

Before ObamaCare, we already had universal health care. A sick or injured person at the emergency room will be treated, even without insurance, and even if that person is unable to pay. What we didn’t have and still don’t have is universal insurance. I can understand the appeal of saving an injured person’s life, but I fail to see why sensible people would destroy our medical system over the payment mechanism, when everyone already has access to emergency care.

The benefits of ObamaCare include huge subsidies for those with inside connections, but I’m not sure why ordinary people would support that. ObamaCare also includes contraceptive coverage, which may matter for someone as active as Sandra Fluke who spends thousands of dollars a year on contraception, but doesn’t actually help those who could get the pill at Target for $8 a month. The cost of ObamaCare (the death of religious freedom and economic freedom) is way too high for any sensible person to support universal ObamaCare coverage and in no way justifies the trivial benefits.


45 posted on 01/31/2014 2:28:00 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

RE: A sick or injured person at the emergency room will be treated, even without insurance

What happens when the sick person who had no insurance is sick with a disease that requires constant taking of an expensive pill or say, dialysis, or chemo?


46 posted on 01/31/2014 4:23:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
What happens when the sick person who had no insurance is sick with a disease that requires constant taking of an expensive pill or say, dialysis, or chemo?

Having been in that position and received several years of (uninsured) medical help that I could not pay for, I can tell you that charity does wonders. I also became quite successful afterward and now help to fund medical charities.

The system before ObamaCare worked adequately to well for more people than any other system imaginable. I suspect that ObamaCare will destroy both our medical system and our charity system. Plus, there is no virtue in forced charity, while there is a lot of virtue in the generosity that I experienced and now try to pass on.

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

47 posted on 01/31/2014 8:05:18 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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