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One CIA Lawyer Could've Stopped Waterboarding Before It Started, Here's Why He Didn't
ABC News ^ | January 31, 2014 | By LEE FERRAN

Posted on 01/31/2014 4:38:10 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

On Sept. 11, 2001, while a hijacked plane was still unaccounted for, the CIA headquarters was evacuated.

But like several officers and analysts in the building, John Rizzo, one of the Agency's top attorneys at the time, didn't move. Instead, took out a yellow legal pad and began drafting the legal justifications for what he had already predicted would be a "full-scale assault on al Qaeda [which would] employ all means necessary to prevent any further attacks on the homeland."

... But it was down to Rizzo to decide how far American interrogators could go, and his decision would affect the way America would conduct its War on Terror for years.

Rizzo said he considered the "nightmare scenario" in which another attack strikes the homeland and Zubaydah "gleefully tells his CIA handlers he knew all about it."

"In the final analysis, I could not countenance the thought of having to live with that," he writes.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abcdisneynews; bushhassers; terrorism; waltsrotatingcorpse; waterboarding
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1 posted on 01/31/2014 4:38:10 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
ummmmmm... because it's NOT TORTURE???
2 posted on 01/31/2014 4:40:15 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Should never have been stopped.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 4:42:36 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019

I agree...


4 posted on 01/31/2014 4:44:16 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

ABC, 2005 called and they want their story back.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 4:44:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Chode

Of course it’s torture. But so what? Torture works and is justified in this case.


6 posted on 01/31/2014 4:46:47 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Chode
The torture, abuse, and murder of a POW named Momar Gaddafi was a war crime and an unprovoked attack.

Lanny Davis was on the radio this week berating some conservative talk show host about how cool it was when Hillary Clinton took him down (and she boasted at the time, "WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!!!").

This antiwar rhetoric isn't even sincerely held belief. The far left was okay with Palestinian suicide bombers who killed Jews with the only weapons they had "their bodies, (cry cry sob)".

ABCDisney can go screw. They are anti-American and pro-sodomite.

7 posted on 01/31/2014 4:48:18 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have no problem with waterboarding or setting the terrorists on fire.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 4:49:01 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Chode

Most anyone who has been through SERE has been waterboarded. In intelligence, I participated in numerous mock and real interrogations. It is not torture.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 4:54:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Only an idiot would consider waterboarding torture.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 4:54:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Water boarding is not torture and every elected official should be water boarded at least once.


11 posted on 01/31/2014 4:59:08 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Chode
because it's NOT TORTURE???

Of course it's torture.

BFD.

12 posted on 01/31/2014 5:00:44 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How can waterboarding be torture, which it isn’t, while Ø’s SOTU is not considered torture, which it is?


13 posted on 01/31/2014 5:47:06 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And there I was, former active duty JAG, assuring my mom and all others who wanted to exclaim about it that it couldn’t be true, that America didn’t believe in torture, that all confessions gained from torture were inherently unreliable and I came out looking like a damn fool.

I hate the people that went along with the torture, they should all be run out of town on a rail. They were complete idiots, evil and bad and I despise them.


14 posted on 01/31/2014 6:14:36 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: minnesota_bound

you are an idiot


15 posted on 01/31/2014 6:16:23 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Chode
They don't understand that.

There are a number of things you can do to people that are unpleasant but they are not torture.

Unfortunately people have now equated uncomfortable and unpleasant with torture.

They are also under the ill informed and stupid ideas that "torture doesn't work" and "information gained by torture is unreliable". Torture does work very well and the information so gained is as reliable as any gained by less extreme but more time consuming measures.

I seriously wonder if the majority of the people in our country have become too civilized to actually maintain civilization.

16 posted on 01/31/2014 6:24:31 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: yldstrk

nice horse


17 posted on 01/31/2014 6:28:57 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

I like it


18 posted on 01/31/2014 6:29:50 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sounds like a sensible human being


19 posted on 01/31/2014 6:30:59 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

King Barack “I’m really good at killing people.” Obama has killed many more people than American security forces have killed with waterboarding.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 6:51:15 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: TigersEye
"Only an idiot would consider waterboarding torture."

I agree with you 100%.


21 posted on 01/31/2014 6:54:11 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: Iron Munro
I don't know if you remember the movie or not, but it was a real hoot. Don't know why, but this reminded me of it.

The plot centered around aliens having invaded planet earth, and the populace was being brainwashed by big billboard sized signs.

You had to have special glasses to see the signs and aliens (otherwise the aliens looked like normal humans).

Wish we had some of those glasses. I suggest the above is what Obama really looks like all the time.


22 posted on 01/31/2014 7:06:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Iron Munro

How in the wide wide world of sports did a ridiculous dork like that become president!?!


23 posted on 01/31/2014 7:07:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: yldstrk

You can be nice to the terrorists. I will not.
http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/9-11-jumper1.jpg


24 posted on 01/31/2014 7:15:22 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

I follow the law

you can follow evil if you want


25 posted on 01/31/2014 7:23:05 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: doc1019
100%!!!
26 posted on 01/31/2014 8:52:47 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: a fool in paradise
damn straight!!! 100%
27 posted on 01/31/2014 8:53:53 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: a fool in paradise

>> “WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!!!”

In that exact order?


28 posted on 01/31/2014 8:54:55 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jim Noble; Impy
no... it is NOT TORTURE!!! it is unpleasant and uncomfortable, but it is not torture.

pilots/aircrew/SPEC-OPS undergo it in SERE training.

29 posted on 01/31/2014 8:57:46 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
thank you... a guy i used to work with was (a retired CWO3 Corpsman) was a medical monitor for awhile, he laughed at the charge of torture.
30 posted on 01/31/2014 9:04:37 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
100%!!! and the claim that KSM was boarded 183 times is the only true in that, that was the number of times water was POURED on him!!! NOT how many times he was strapped to the board.

the L$M can kiss my arse

31 posted on 01/31/2014 9:11:39 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode; NFHale; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; Count of Monte Fisto; fieldmarshaldj; ...

Well why don’t you have a buddy do it to you or someone you love like your mom or your kid a few times and if you still wouldn’t call it torture then I’ll freely concede the point.

I reiterate that I support it 100% but pretending it’s not torture is silly semantics. It is and so is sleep deprivation and forced sitting in uncombable positions and other similar non-permanently harmful techniques. Torturing these pigs for live-saving information is 100% justified an in my opinion, legal. I would do worse than waterboard them, I’d go as far as penis removal. “We can still reattach it if you talk NOW”.

Pinging some people to see what they think.


32 posted on 01/31/2014 9:14:32 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: DoughtyOne

They Live, and we’re the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.

My old Tagline...


33 posted on 01/31/2014 9:16:38 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Hey, I like it. Good one...


34 posted on 01/31/2014 9:20:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Impy
My husband had it done to him.

He says, not torture.

And sorry but neither are the other things you mention.

To say they are is like saying being leered at is being raped. Or having loaf is being starved.

We do no service when we make definitions overly broad.

35 posted on 01/31/2014 9:21:42 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: DoughtyOne

The Movie was “They Live”. Directed by John Carpenter and starring Roddy Piper.

They filmed some scenes in the Parking Structure of the L.A. Bank of America Data Center where I used to work.


36 posted on 01/31/2014 9:21:49 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Unfortunately it’s true, that’s the problem.

It’s kind of like living in Zombieland, but we can’t actually kill the Zombies that are screwing everything up.


37 posted on 01/31/2014 9:24:15 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: TigersEye

A day or two before the SOTU address, I had this dream that seemed to last about 8-10 seconds, during which Obama busted out the most stupid juvenile impersonations during his address.

It was surreal. You talk about a 8-10 second moment to absolutely destroy your public persona, that was it. He looked far worse than this picture.


38 posted on 01/31/2014 9:24:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Cool.


39 posted on 01/31/2014 9:25:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Impy; Chode; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; Count of Monte Fisto; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”Well why don’t you have a buddy do it to you or someone you love like your mom or your kid a few times and if you still wouldn’t call it torture then I’ll freely concede the point.
.........
Pinging some people to see what they think.”

After all this time debating this issue is similar to debated the firing of General McArther, an topic earlier today. Its history book stuff.

But I recall that by 2007 and 2008 Bush and Cheney's policies were polling toxic, especially Iraq.

But no matter how many times Dems would call it ‘Immoral torture’, the water-boarding of terrorists to get time critic info remained popular, in fact I recall a poll in Bush second term saying that the majority supported using torture to stop a terrorist attack.

Wasn't it a short term crisis response that ended early on?
Is the Obama drone policy more compassionate?

40 posted on 01/31/2014 9:25:41 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Kickass Conservative

I hear ya...


41 posted on 01/31/2014 9:25:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Impy
see post#9, 16, 29, 30 and 31, then think again...
42 posted on 01/31/2014 9:26:53 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Chode; sickoflibs

It’s all a question of degree. I think arguing it’s not torture and making that the centerpiece of why we support it is a silly waste of time.

But hey I support things that everyone would agree is torture and maybe you wouldn’t and most people wouldn’t, maybe that’s why I feel differently about this.


43 posted on 01/31/2014 9:27:07 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
OUTSTANDING answer...!!!
44 posted on 01/31/2014 9:27:43 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

45 posted on 01/31/2014 9:32:11 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Impy; Chode; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; Count of Monte Fisto; fieldmarshaldj
Water-boarding for the purpose that it was reported as used t never caused a political backlash, it was seen as effected crisis control.

The big problem was the US invasion, occupation, re-building, imposing Democracy and policing Muslim crapholes like Iraq, with no good way out.

That is what turned Americans isolationist.
Like Woodrow Wilson and WWI. Till the Japs bombed the US was isolationist after that.

46 posted on 01/31/2014 9:32:26 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Impy
simple explanation, it we do it to our OWN TROOPS, it's NOT torture... that would be illegal.

i don't know how much clearer i can make it

harsh words are now considered VERBAL ABUSE too, and that ain't true either... but i've been drinking, YMMV

47 posted on 01/31/2014 9:37:51 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode
...the claim that KSM was boarded 183 times is the only true in that, that was the number of times water was POURED on him!!! NOT how many times he was strapped to the board.

Which tells you just how astronomically far from torture waterboarding is.

48 posted on 01/31/2014 9:38:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Impy; Harmless Teddy Bear; Chode
‘Torture’ def is in the eyes of the beholder I suppose.....

I am sure it is very scary or even terrifying (for those who dont know what's coming) , but its not like cutting off toes.

I had a call with drowning in a rough wave Ocean once and I recall thinking, ‘If I panic now I will die’

49 posted on 01/31/2014 9:39:51 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: TigersEye
bingo... and he DID talk.
50 posted on 01/31/2014 9:43:19 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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