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California Students File Constitutional Challenge to Teacher Firing Practices
Townhall.com ^ | January 31, 2014 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 01/31/2014 5:10:31 PM PST by Kaslin

Three cheers for a group of nine California students who are fed up with tenure rules that protect not only incompetent teachers, but also sexual predators.

Reuters reports California students challenge teacher employment rules in lawsuit.

A group of nine California students will challenge employment rules they complain force public schools in the most populous U.S. state to retain low performing teachers, as opening arguments kick off on Monday in a lawsuit over education policy.

The lawsuit seeks to overturn five California statutes that set guidelines for permanent employment, firing and layoff practices for K-12 public school teachers, saying the rules violate the constitutional rights of students by denying them effective teachers.

Among the rules targeted by the lawsuit is one that requires school administrators to either grant or deny tenure status to teachers after the first 18 months of their employment, which they complain causes administrators to hastily give permanent employment to potentially problematic teachers.

"The system is dysfunctional and arbitrary due to these outdated laws that handcuff school administrators from operating in a fashion that protects children and their right to quality education," attorney Theodore Boutrous of the education advocacy group Students Matter said in a media call.

The plaintiffs are also challenging three laws they say make it difficult to fire low-performing tenured teachers by requiring years of documentation, dozens of procedural steps and hundreds of thousands in public funds before a dismissal.

Lastly, the plaintiffs want to abolish the so-called "last-in first-out" statute, which requires administrators to lay off teachers based on reverse seniority.

The group says that the layoff policy disproportionately affects minority and low-income students, who are more likely to have entry-level teachers and poor quality senior teachers assigned to their district.

"When the layoffs come, the more junior teachers are laid off first, which ends up leaving a higher proportion what we call the ‘grossly ineffective' teachers," Boutrous said. "It's really a vicious cycle."

Teachers' Union Response

"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students," said California Federation of Teachers President Joshua Pechthalt."

Mish Translation of Teachers' Union Response

  1. Teachers first.
  2. We don't give a damn about the kids.
  3. We protect the incompetents and the molesters alike.
  4. Molesters pay dues, kids don't.
  5. Those dues pad our pockets.
  6. Padding our pockets allows us to bribe legislators for more rules we want.


Testimony Started Monday

The lawsuit was filed by the nonprofit advocacy group Students Matter, which contends education laws are a violation of the Constitution's equal protection guarantee because they do not ensure all students have access to an adequate education.

The LA Times reports Testimony begins in trial over California teachers' job protections.

Arguments begin Monday in a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of laws that govern California’s teacher tenure rules, seniority policies and the dismissal process -- an overhaul of which could upend controversial job security for instructors.

The lawsuit, filed by the nonprofit advocacy group Students Matter, contends these education laws are a violation of the Constitution's equal protection guarantee because they do not ensure all students have access to an adequate education.

Vergara vs. California, filed on behalf of nine students and their families in Los Angeles County Superior Court, seeks to revamp a dismissal process the plaintiffs say is too costly and time consuming, lengthen the time period for instructors to gain tenure and dismantle the "last hired, first fired" policies that fail to consider teacher effectiveness.

The lawsuit aims to protect the rights of students, teachers and school districts against a "gross disparity" in educational opportunity, lawyers for the plaintiffs said.

Many students — overwhelmingly those who are minority and low-income — are destined to suffer from ineffective and unequal instruction because administrators are unable to remove ineffective teachers from schools, attorneys said.

Students Matter was founded by Silicon Valley entrepreneur David F. Welch, a research scientist who went on to co-found Infinera, a manufacturer of optical telecommunications systems based in Sunnyvale, Calif. The group is partly funded by organizations known for battling teachers unions. The foundation of Los Angeles philanthropist Eli Broad, which has backed numerous education initiatives, also supports it.

Gross Lie of the Day

In the gross lie of the day category, "The California Department of Education contends districts have the opportunity and discretion to remove ineffective teachers from classrooms and decide whether to grant tenure."

In contrast, L.A. schools Supt. John Deasy, is a supporter of the effort to repeal the statutes. He declined to comment because he is a witness in the case.

Lay it on them John!

Unions are the Child Molester's Best Friend

I am quite sure Deasy can testify how hard it is to get rid of incompetent teachers, even child molesters.

If you think I am making this up, sadly, I am not.

I highly recommend reading the LA Times report: Failure Gets a Pass L.A. Unified Pays Teachers Not to Teach.

You can find similar articles about New York, in fact, anywhere unions rule.

Every time I write something like this I get a ton of emails from teachers. Surprisingly, about a third of them are in support of what I say.
In Praise of Teachers

I have said this before and I say it again: I have nothing against teachers. Most of them are dedicated, hard-working professionals.

I do have everything against public unions whose sole mission is to collect dues and coerce legislators into laws written for the union at the expense of the kids.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: arth; california; education

1 posted on 01/31/2014 5:10:31 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Wishing those 9, and their Legal Team success.


2 posted on 01/31/2014 5:23:53 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Kaslin

Unions are the Company Store of Education: buy our overpriced crap or else.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 5:30:31 PM PST by 4Liberty (Optimal institutions - optimal economy.)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve heard it is more dire there than in any of the other 49 states. Basically, standards are non-existent and if you have a working pulse, you can teach in Cali.


4 posted on 01/31/2014 5:49:42 PM PST by freedom462
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Kaslin.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 5:52:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Kaslin

I taught fourth and fifth grade in California for one year at an elementary school next to the Round Valley Indian Reservation in Mendocino County. One of my students, Cody, couldn’t read, so I asked him to stay after school in order to make him literate. About 4:15 p.m., the union guy walks into my room.

“What are you doing here?” he asks. “The contract says you get off at four.”

“I’m teaching Cody to read.”

The union guy stares at me for a second, and repeats, “The contract says you leave at four.”

I was in my third year as a teacher, so I guess I looked a little shocked, and I stammered out, “But he needs to learn how to read.”

The union guy said, “Don’t cause trouble around here.” He turned and walked out the door.

That was one of many reasons I left the place. The union doesn’t represent me. Given a choice, I’d do away with tenure in a cold minute, and I agree with Friedman that we need vouchers. I’d do well, and the slackers would return to delivering pizzas.


6 posted on 01/31/2014 6:58:52 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Kaslin
"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students," said California Federation of Teachers President Joshua Pechthalt."
My translation:

7 posted on 01/31/2014 7:34:30 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: redpoll

And here, I’d disagree w/ Friedman and yourself...NO vouchers. It should be handled the same way as college; pay as you go.

Get rid the ‘guild’ (teaching ‘certification’) and infinite property taxes (for those OUT of K-12, or those w/out children) and direct pay. Let teachers vie for students as any other profession...you do well, word of mouth/etc.; otherwise, you’re not long for the ‘profession’.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 7:41:12 PM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Kaslin

They also need to go after incompetent administration who tell the teachers how to teach, what to teach, etc.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 8:17:56 PM PST by Parmy
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To: Kaslin

“You can find similar articles about New York, in fact, anywhere unions rule.”

I know this is sarcastic, but just where to you find a place in this country where the “education system” isn’t run by a RAT Teacher’s Union?
When one of our children was singled out for outrageous abuse because the we had some differences with her, the best that we could do (at the suggestion of the principal) was to take a pair of scissors and cut out everything this cretin had written in our son’s permanent record. It took the principal two more years to get rid of this teacher, and “getting rid of” consisted of getting her transferred to another school.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 8:26:03 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Parmy

“They also need to go after incompetent administration who tell the teachers how to teach, what to teach, etc.”

I have said it here before, but it bears repeating. School Superintendents are the nation’s highest paid migrant workers. They move from district to district earning early dismissals from their gold plated contracts, take a chunk of money, and move to the next district to do the same thing all over again. Some even get to be Superintendent of the Year like that black woman in Atlanta before the rubes find out that she’s been cooking the test scores and she has to take of with $900k in “reparations.”


11 posted on 01/31/2014 8:40:37 PM PST by vette6387
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To: i_robot73

>>>>And here, I’d disagree w/ Friedman and yourself...NO vouchers. It should be handled the same way as college; pay as you go.

Get rid the ‘guild’ (teaching ‘certification’) and infinite property taxes (for those OUT of K-12, or those w/out children) and direct pay. Let teachers vie for students as any other profession...you do well, word of mouth/etc.; otherwise, you’re not long for the ‘profession’.<<<<<

Man, I would LOVE that. Come into town, hang up shingle, live and die according to my competence and how I teach. You know, I was thinking that - I stopped for a few moments and considered writing “get rid of public education” - but I went all wobbly in the knees and leaned back on more mundane ideas. Nice to see folks like you are out there... and you might be surprised at the number of teachers who would consider your scenario to be a great alternative to the current system.

You probably have an inkling of what it is like in a government school. Even the best is fraught with bureaucratic sloth. My frustration with the system is balanced by the fact that I worked in the private sector until I was 42 years old, so I know how to run a business, pay an employee, and work with the public. My colleagues are mostly retired military, and believe me when I say the discipline problems in their classes are minimal. We’re all merrily subverting the system in the most Gramsciesque manner, teaching what some would call “conservative” and “traditional” values by taking the long march through the liberal institutions. (My students, for instance, read a lot of Orwell and Solzhenitsyn, some of which is inoculation for college indoctrination.)

Be well out there.


12 posted on 01/31/2014 9:08:32 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Kaslin
"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students," said California Federation of Teachers President Joshua Pechthalt.

There's a problem right there!

Those are not teachers RIGHTS; but mere a PRIVLEDGE the law has given them.

13 posted on 02/01/2014 2:38:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
I predict a MASSIVE hardball effort by the union to SHUT DOWN the system; if it doesn't get it's way; all the while saying: "It's for the children."


"We don't think stripping teachers of their workplace professional rights will help students."


14 posted on 02/01/2014 2:41:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redpoll
I taught fourth and fifth grade in California for one year at an elementary school next to the Round Valley Indian Reservation in Mendocino County. One of my students, Cody...

With this data; they now know who you are.

(Unless there has been a LOT of Codys in the 4th and 5th grades over the years.)

15 posted on 02/01/2014 2:45:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387
...the best that we could do (at the suggestion of the principal) was to take a pair of scissors and cut out everything this cretin had written in our son’s permanent record.

HMMMmmm...

Sound's like this child's parents lacked, shall we say, imagination.



Just sayin'...

16 posted on 02/01/2014 2:48:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Unions are blunt objects in a refined world. # ‘em.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 2:49:42 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

I seems we poster’s think it’s time - nay - PAST time, for the pendulum to swing back!


18 posted on 02/01/2014 2:52:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Now or later with far less mercy.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 2:58:17 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Elsie

Well, Elsie, I just knew somehow you’d be here to comment. But I am amazed that you somehow haven’t woven your hatred for Mormonism into your commentary.


20 posted on 02/01/2014 8:11:35 AM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387
Not only do they cook the test scores, if they were CEO's they would be fired for incompetence.

They have 20,30, 50 percent, or more, drop-out rates within their school districts. An example is this, they have 300 kids in first grade. 12 years later they graduate 120. Any business with that kind of loss in they manufacturing process would be broke immediately.

In addition, they let their building deteriorate, and then they run to the taxpayers for a building levi. It's all for the children, you know.

In business, another person, will take those buildings and turn them into a money making proposition. I have seen that done.

21 posted on 02/01/2014 10:04:31 AM PST by Parmy
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To: Elsie

>>>>With this data; they now know who you are.<<<<

Sadly, I already assume that they know who I am.


22 posted on 02/01/2014 2:04:23 PM PST by redpoll
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To: vette6387
But I am amazed that you somehow haven’t woven your

hatred

for Mormonism into your commentary.

Since you've mentioned it...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

23 posted on 02/01/2014 2:37:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redpoll

Yeah; me too.

(And I suspect the MORMONs would LIKE to know... ;^)


24 posted on 02/01/2014 2:38:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redpoll

Well; your homepage might indicate you’ve gotten FAR away from them!

(Or not; it could just be MIS-information)


25 posted on 02/01/2014 2:41:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

You personify the axiom that “one should not wrestle with a pig, because you will get dirty and the pig likes it.” I should have known better than to ever respond to you. Happy New year to you pigs!


26 posted on 02/01/2014 7:08:59 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Parmy

“In addition, they let their building deteriorate, and then they run to the taxpayers for a building levi. It’s all for the children, you know.”

We are in an area that actually has decent schools mostly because the parents demand that their children excel, and we have a district that is coveted by good teachers because we don’t have many miscreants. That said, a number of years ago (actually when our children were in grade school), our “Education Center” (read district HQ) had two successive “unexplained fires” that destroyed records that were in all probability, not “helpful” to the then current superintendent. “Unburdened” with potential personal litigation, the man left (with some money for his trouble) and went to Berkeley, CA to assume the duties of superintendent there. His replacement was not much better. My wife and I were co-presidents of the PTC (Parent/Teacher Association) and were actually personally threatened by this man for supporting some activities that he was opposed to. Just like the “lawyer analog,” What do you call a failed teacher, you call him superintendent!”


27 posted on 02/01/2014 7:21:27 PM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387
I should have known better than to ever respond to you.

Now you can move on to Common Sense 102.

The lesson learned there is:

Never make highly biased statements on FR and think they'll slip by without FACTS being posted.

28 posted on 02/02/2014 4:13:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387
You personify the axiom that “one should not wrestle with a pig, because you will get dirty and the pig likes it.”

HMMMmmm...


You personify the axiom that “MORMONs should not wrestle with a ANTI-Mormon, because you will get FACTS, Mormon QUOTES, MORMON 'scripture', MORMON History and BIBLE Verses coming your way, and the Flying Inman presenting it all to the WORLD just LOVES to show LURKERS how well the logic of the MORMON religious organization member's mind works.

29 posted on 02/02/2014 4:16:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387
... you will get FACTS, Mormon QUOTES, MORMON 'scripture', MORMON History ...



Here comes some

NOW!!!






"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




30 posted on 02/02/2014 4:18:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387
Here comes even

MORE!!!




The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!
 
 
   
                                 

31 posted on 02/02/2014 4:20:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387

Oink, oink, OINK!!!


32 posted on 02/02/2014 4:20:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
I have said this before and I say it again: I have nothing against teachers. Most of them are dedicated, hard-working professionals.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have plenty against government teachers!

They willingly train for, seek work in, support, and establish a government single-payer and socialist-entitlement INDOCTRINATION system that HURTS CHILDREN!

They **willingly*** seek work in an institution :

1) That teaches children to think and reason godlessly. The children must just to cooperate in the godless classroom. How could it be otherwise.

2) That puts children at risk of learning to be comfortable with single-payer socialism. Gee! If the voting mob can hand out tuition-free schooling why not use the voting mob to get **lots** of “free” stuff? Is a “duh” needed here.

3) That forces citizens ( under the threat of armed police, court, and prison action) to pay for a non-neutral political, cultural, and religious indoctrination of children.

4) That treats children in many way like prisoners of the government and teaches them to be comfortable with government suppression of their , their parents, and the taxpayers’ First Amendment human rights and freedom of conscience.

Personally, I have made a decision. I will NOT have a government teacher for a friend. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a Useful Idiot to be a friend. I don't have abortion workers for friends either.

33 posted on 02/02/2014 4:31:53 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

Another Reason to Homeschool.


34 posted on 02/02/2014 4:32:32 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Elsie

What’s all that crap doing on this thread?


35 posted on 02/02/2014 4:55:59 AM PST by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: gortklattu
Thank the guy that mentioned

MORMONs...

at #20.

36 posted on 02/02/2014 11:16:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387
Have three Corvettes, hence the screen name.

I left mine out in the rain and they SHRANK!


 
 

37 posted on 02/03/2014 4:18:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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