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Bill Ayers vs. Dinesh DíSouza debate: Child-like emotions vs. adult reasoning
The Examiner ^ | 01/31/2014 | Kimberly Morin

Posted on 01/31/2014 7:26:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Last night Dartmouth held a debate featuring Bill Ayers and Dinesh D’Souza. The debate started with 18 minutes for each man to speak and then time for rebuttal. It also included a cross-examination style question and answer between the two and several questions from the audience. Given the leftism that is so rampant in colleges and universities today, it was almost surprising to see that support for D’Souza was far more than for Ayers. This article only highlights a few points made in the debate – white supremacy, money in politics and social justice. To view the debate in its entirety please visit www.DineshDSouza.com.

Ayers spoke first in what was reminiscent of a beatnik who would talk on and on and on making no sense whatsoever. He talked about places and things he felt were great in America but never said that the country is great. D’Souza came on strong talking about how great America is and why America is exceptional: “The beauty of America is that we have the ability to write our own script.” The two were vastly different in their demeanor and language. It was clear that Ayers still believes America isn’t exceptional. He actually said it was ‘arrogant’ for anyone to think that.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: billayers; debate; dineshdsouza

1 posted on 01/31/2014 7:26:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The last fella to ask a question in that debate had the big creepy factor. I could picture him shooting some place up, bombing or whatever. He is an Ayers disciple, no doubt.


2 posted on 01/31/2014 7:35:19 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: SeekAndFind

For Ayers to call anyone arrogant is highly ironic.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 7:35:36 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SeekAndFind
;-)

4 posted on 01/31/2014 7:37:00 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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Self ping


5 posted on 01/31/2014 7:37:29 PM PST by ru4liberty
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To: SeekAndFind

I actually support one idea of Ayers.

We change the U. S. Constitution.

We place asterisks a plenty in the official version, with a foot-note at the bottom.

“Except for Bill Ayers”


6 posted on 01/31/2014 7:38:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Equally arrogant was this bomb making, earring laden SOB to call for more gun control, if not outright gun confiscation.


7 posted on 01/31/2014 7:45:27 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s true that Ayers comes off as an idiot, and Dinesh as a scholar, but I still think our side needs to learn how to head butt, throw elbows, and hit below the belt. This is not a Marquis of Queensbury Rule event. It’s intellectual war.

WFB knew how to do it with great eloquence, and he might have made it look too easy. The unfortunate side-effect of Buckley’s career is that liberals learned to avoid debating our brawlers, however eloquent. When Hannity can clean most of their clocks, imagine what the varsity could do. My teenager asked me why Rush Limbaugh is never on with Matt Lauer. I thought of Buckley’s explanation as to why Bobby Kennedy would not appear on Firing Line: “Why does baloney avoid the grinder?” Could Diane Feinstein last two minutes with Mark Levin? Ted Cruz against Barack Obama in an actual debate? LOL. We can dream. For now.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 7:49:35 PM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: SeekAndFind

D’Souza says he is willing to go along with redistribution, but just not too much?


9 posted on 01/31/2014 7:51:54 PM PST by Misterioso (A man's ego is the fountainhead of human progress. --- Ayn Rand)
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To: cdcdawg

RE: I still think our side needs to learn how to head butt, throw elbows, and hit below the belt. This is not a Marquis of Queensbury Rule event. It’s intellectual war.

At the Aug. 28, 1964 debate in Chicago - the penultimate encounter in the series of debate between WFB and Gore Vidal ( who was of course, gay but did not openly flaunt it then ), with an estimated 10 million people watching - things began with relative calm.

But it did not stay that way, and before long the men began exchanging words that one simply didn’t hear on TV at that time. Vidal called Buckley a “pro-crypto-Nazi,” a modest slip of the tongue, he later said, because he was searching for the word “fascist” and it just didn’t come out.

Inflamed by the word “Nazi” and the whole tenor of the discussion, Buckley snapped back: “Now listen, you queer,” he said, “stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in you goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.”

Watch the exchange here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpyozeraXoQ

Moderator, Howard K. Smith attempted to calm the exchange with “gentlemen, let’s not call names,” but the damage had been done. The two men, considerably subdued, met the following night for the last of their week of debates.

Is that what you mean by intellectual war?


10 posted on 01/31/2014 7:57:38 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: cdcdawg

RE: Ted Cruz against Barack Obama in an actual debate?

I’ll settle for Ted Cruz vs Hillary Clinton in 2016.


11 posted on 01/31/2014 7:58:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

>>> The debate started with 18 minutes for each man to speak and then time for rebuttal. It also included a cross-examination style question and answer between the two and several questions from the audience.

I’m impressed. An actual debate instead of a pseudo-debate such as what our presidential candidates engage in.


12 posted on 01/31/2014 7:59:55 PM PST by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

Bill Ayers says The US Constitution is”There To Be Changed”?Perhaps we should start with The Fourth Amendment??He avoided jail-time(after his conviction was overturned)because it was determined that some damning evidence against him had been unlawfully obtained(The Fourth Amendment).Perhaps he thinks we should start there???


13 posted on 01/31/2014 8:09:10 PM PST by bandleader
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To: Misterioso

Well, even Hayek believed in a certain amount of redistribution in the form of a limited welfare system to serve as a safety net.


14 posted on 01/31/2014 8:12:10 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: cdcdawg

“our side needs to learn how to head butt, throw elbows, and hit below the belt’’>> As a former Leftie I have said this repeatedly to conservatives. “This isn’t a garden party madame, this is war!!’’ The only thing the Left understands is force. Either force of argument, force of will or force, like a Haymaker in the puss. They constantly talk pugnaciously about ‘’struggle’’, resistance’’ and such, well give it to them and give it to them good. make your case and don’t be afraid to paste them one too.


15 posted on 01/31/2014 8:12:46 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: oblomov

That’s because it was a real debate instead of a television production.


16 posted on 01/31/2014 8:12:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, that is a great example. “Crypto-Nazi” deserves “pink queer” every single time, and twice on Sunday. I like to imagine that St. Paul said something similar whilst debating the philosophers atop Mars’ Hill.


17 posted on 01/31/2014 8:15:00 PM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: SeekAndFind
10 At the Aug. 28, 1964 debate in Chicago ...

I thought this occurred in 1968 during coverage of the National Democratic Convention in Chicago. Their feud lasted for several years after that, but WFB would never respond to questions about his "outburst."

18 posted on 01/31/2014 8:16:02 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: bandleader

I still don’t get how Ayers can even get past security to gain entrance to any campus.

It isn’t just the killing he’s participated in - it’s also the next level of killing he was aspiring to.

Bill dreamed of detention camps -and estimated 25 million dead.

He and his girlfriend celebrated the murder of Sharon Tate.

How can this guy even board a plane to go anwwhere?

And we are listening to his musings on the constitution because....why?

And one of our own agrees to a debate with him? Why?


19 posted on 01/31/2014 8:27:25 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: cdcdawg

I think DSousa did some head butting.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 8:45:51 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SeekAndFind
Given the leftism that is so rampant in colleges and universities today, it was almost surprising to see that support for D’Souza was far more...Dartmouth is the smallest and most conservative of the Ivies, to the extent that any of them are at all conservative - my nephew is heading out for college next year and so far has had interviews at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn and Dartmouth - as a Penn grad, I'm pushing for him to go to Dartmouth......
21 posted on 01/31/2014 8:54:51 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: MacNaughton

RE: I thought this occurred in 1968 during coverage of the National Democratic Convention in Chicago.

You are right. My mistake. It was a typo, it was August 28,1968 at the Democratic convention in Chicago.

The full debate here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_nq4tfi24

The episode began at about 10:00 minutes. Today’s debates are tame compared to back then.


22 posted on 01/31/2014 9:24:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: jmacusa

Spot on.


23 posted on 01/31/2014 9:41:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: freekitty

Dinesh missed a return on Ayer’s statement that the founders wanted slavery. I would have jumped all over that and made BA eat a crap sandwich.


24 posted on 01/31/2014 10:09:56 PM PST by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: cdcdawg
but I still think our side needs to learn how to head butt, throw elbows, and hit below the belt.

Yep. I love it when our side gets in the faces, and tells them to put it where the sun don't shine. Sometimes that needs to be done.

25 posted on 01/31/2014 10:34:48 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of my favorite “debates” was when Bobby Kennedy debated Ronald Reagan. Actually, they were answering some sniveling person from the audience who dissed USA.

Bobby was mealy mouthed weak in response. Reagan stood up for the USA and informed them of the reality of the situation.

I think that Bobby stomped off and told his handlers to never put him on the same stage as Reagan again. IIRC.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1150524/posts


26 posted on 01/31/2014 11:39:55 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: All

See post #9 on the above, don’t go to the Kennedy Library Source. I used to have a video link, but can’t find it. Reagan was great.


27 posted on 01/31/2014 11:47:04 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Yardstick

To that extent, Hayek was a statist. Ayn Rand had no use for him.


28 posted on 02/01/2014 12:24:37 AM PST by Misterioso (A man's ego is the fountainhead of human progress. --- Ayn Rand)
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To: Misterioso

Well, the Japanese came into this country and “redestributed” auto-sales. The Big Three and the UAW tried to get government to stop this.


29 posted on 02/01/2014 12:37:29 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

Redistribution refers to government confiscation through taxation, not private enterprise.


30 posted on 02/01/2014 1:04:49 AM PST by Misterioso (A man's ego is the fountainhead of human progress. --- Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping for later


31 posted on 02/01/2014 1:34:12 AM PST by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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Bookmarking


32 posted on 02/01/2014 2:14:06 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: gortklattu

Somewhere in my fuzzy memory, I thought DSousa talked about it.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 3:30:31 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Yardstick
Well, even Hayek believed in a certain amount of redistribution in the form of a limited welfare system to serve as a safety net.

I doubt that many conservatives would object to government help for those who truly cannot help themselves. But charity and family should carry the bulk of the burden, and that is not the case today.

35 posted on 02/01/2014 4:29:13 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Alberta's Child; oblomov; SeekAndFind
To: SeekAndFind

>>> The debate started with 18 minutes for each man to speak and then time for rebuttal. It also included a cross-examination style question and answer between the two and several questions from the audience.

I’m impressed. An actual debate instead of a pseudo-debate such as what our presidential candidates engage in.

12 posted on January 31, 2014 at 10:59:55 PM EST by oblomov [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

That’s because it was a real debate instead of a television production.
. . . and that is because the conservative wasn’t so desperate to have the debate that he was willing to accept an intrusive “neutral moderator” whose politics were indistinguishable from those of his opponent.
My fond hope for the Internet is that it gets big enough that a conservative can challenge his opponent to have actual debates on the Internet - and that opponent would be placed under real pressure to accept.

You get to having a half-dozen actual debates - and that is entirely feasible if you don’t bring the candidates face-to-face for all of them - and you will see emotional arguments and sound bites start to wilt under the pressure of facts and logic.

We can dream . . .

Actually, such a system could be instituted for the Republican primaries, even now. Be a great shake-down test of the procedure, and conceivably it could delegitimate the “neutral moderator” debate joint news conferences favored by the journalists for the general campaign.


36 posted on 02/01/2014 6:57:37 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism¬Ē is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Misterioso

It does if the government allows/privileges private parties to exercise coersive power. or take the case of Poletown. GM was allowed to build a plant at Poletown, displacing a whole community of average people, who had to move for the “greater good ” of Michigan. Look how the big banks have displaced the small ones. Crony capitalism has a nasty habit of looking more and more like fascism, where Capitalists and union leaders join with the government to squeeze everyone else.


37 posted on 02/01/2014 11:36:16 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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Self ping


38 posted on 02/03/2014 2:40:17 PM PST by ru4liberty
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