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The Cruelty of Gun-Free Zones
National Review ^ | Jan 31, 2014 | John Lott

Posted on 02/01/2014 6:39:22 AM PST by KeyLargo

NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE www.nationalreview.com January 31, 2014 12:00 PM

The Cruelty of Gun-Free Zones Law enforcement recognizes that gun-free zones leave shooting victims defenseless. By John R. Lott Jr.

Tuesday night, President Obama vowed to “help stop more tragedies from visiting innocent Americans in our movie theaters and our shopping malls, or schools like Sandy Hook.”

But before he continues pushing his typical gun-control agenda, he should consider what law enforcement in Europe and the United States advise. It might surprise him.

In November, Interpol’s secretary general, Ron Noble, noted there are two ways to protect people from such mass shootings: “One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that. Another is to say the enclaves [should be] so secure that in order to get into the soft target you’re going to have to pass through extraordinary security.”

Noble sees a real problem: “How do you protect soft targets? That’s really the challenge. You can’t have armed police forces everywhere.”

“It makes citizens question their views on gun control,” he noted. “You have to ask yourself, ‘Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past, with an evolving threat of terrorism?’”

His comments were made right after the terrorist attack at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, where 68 people were killed. Kenya bans both open and concealed carrying of firearms by civilians. Yet, obviously, those bans didn’t stop the terrorists.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; guns; johnlott; mediabias; secondamendment; tyranny

1 posted on 02/01/2014 6:39:22 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

My house is a gun-free house. Enough of them aren’t locked up in a safe where they are of no use, are loaded and FREE to be used to protect myself, my family and my belongings.


2 posted on 02/01/2014 6:40:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

3 posted on 02/01/2014 6:45:39 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Nailbiter

Every time I am questioned by anyone about gun free zones- I remind them that criminals are rarely concerned with breaking the laws.

I also remind these same people that police are rarely on hand when ne’er do wells decide to shoot unarmed citizens.

Above comment usually is conversation stopper


4 posted on 02/01/2014 6:52:56 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: KeyLargo

It’s an interesting question. Given that there are a certain percentage of unstable (psychologically and/or politically) nuts out there, what happens if virtually everyone is armed?

My own take is that you’d have more frequent shooting incidents, but massacres would become rare.

It’s a choice. Most people aren’t willing to take the small hits, hoping for utopian safety, and therefore support policies which make the big ones more likely.


5 posted on 02/01/2014 6:59:53 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KeyLargo

It is not “common sense” to put defenseless citizens at the mercy of armed criminals.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 7:14:16 AM PST by Maceman
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To: KeyLargo

I wonder when I will be allowed to bring a lawsuit against a “gun free zone” if I am injured therein ... I have a carry permit, but “They” are telling me THEY are taking on the responsibility of protecting me if they tell me I cannot protect myself. I’m wondering when such a suit will show up.


7 posted on 02/01/2014 7:25:47 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: KeyLargo

Old news, but still relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLaRR9yVxC4

Answer that, Piers.


8 posted on 02/01/2014 7:29:09 AM PST by TheDandyMan
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
Susan B. Anthony would be politically crucified today. February 1, 2014 Miguel G

Via: gunfreezone.net

9 posted on 02/01/2014 7:40:58 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
the terrorist attack at the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, where 68 people were killed. Kenya bans both open and concealed carrying of firearms by civilians.

I looked up Kenya's gun laws after this atrocity happened. Their gun laws are nearly a perfect match for the Violence Policy Center and Brady Center's wish list. It is literally nearly impossible to legally own a gun in Kenya, and the rate of gun ownership is very low.

Shame on the NRA, sort of, for failing to point out that incredible failure of utopian gun laws (or at least if they did, I didn't see it).

10 posted on 02/01/2014 7:41:48 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Hardastarboard

“Shame on the NRA, sort of, for failing to point out that incredible failure of utopian gun laws (or at least if they did, I didn’t see it).”

VIDEO HERE:

“Lessons From Kenya” by Chris Salcedo
An Exclusive NRA News Cam & Co. Interview

Chris Salcedo, director of the Conservative Hispanic Society, discusses his article at PJ Media, “Lessons From Kenya” and the disturbing similarities between gun control in Kenya, and gun control efforts in the United States. Originally aired on NRA News Cam & Co. 9/25/13.

http://www.nranews.com/a1f/video/lessons-from-kenya-by-chris-salcedo/list/january-2014-videos


11 posted on 02/01/2014 7:45:23 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

January 31, 2014 at 8:35 am
Detroit police chief defends stance on backing citizens carrying guns

George Hunter
The Detroit News

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140131/METRO01/301310074/Detroit-police-chief-defends-stance-backing-citizens-carrying-guns


12 posted on 02/01/2014 7:52:44 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

13 posted on 02/01/2014 7:58:52 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: KeyLargo

When is he going to ban fence post, shoe laces, cooking the victim to death in the 100+ degree temps of Memphis in the trunk of their car, hit men hired by husband. Then you have knives, screw divers, hammers, hands, feet, poison. Anything can be made into a weapon, just look at how many 3 planes killed, or fertilizer used my McVeigh.

My gun has never killed anyone. But my 16 year old was murdered by a fence post, just so some sociopath could see what it felt like to kill. The 8 year old girl who was raped, and strangled with her own shoe laces, is still waiting for the INJUSTICE system to execute her killer nearly 20 years after the crime. Debbie cooked to death in her car trunk, after the hit men her husband hired to kill her raped, strangled just enough so she’d pass out, used a short knife to inflict pain, and stuffed her in the trunk of her own car to COOK to death in the 100+ degree heat of a Memphis summer. Anti-death penalty fed judge kept letting then appeal the DP, as did some state SC. Finally he orders a new trial. And give live in prison WITH PAROLE, for the family to have to fight, which is now down to one sick sister to do.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 8:03:49 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: KeyLargo

Gun-free zones are the worst kind of idiocy. I think it was Kansas that has the right idea: If a business or governmental entity wants to declare a gun-free zone, they must do so effectively, by establishing security checkpoints with metal detectors, etc. Suddenly most removed their idiotic signs.


15 posted on 02/01/2014 8:06:40 AM PST by afsnco
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To: Nailbiter

Hear is some more ammo for you to use. Just be aware the stats are kind of not right. As when crime stats are compiled they Hierarchical Counted. A woman is kidnapped, raped, robbed, then murdered. ONLY the murder which is the most serious crime is counted, other 3 flushed down the toilet. And the stats on each stat are different than the national ones. As are the 11 month 29 day facilities like the Penal Farm in Memphis which has a 80% Recidivism rate. Most of these have committed at least 30+ crimes in their petty crimes careers.

Recidivism
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17
Recidivism is measured by criminal acts that resulted in the rearrest, reconviction, or return to prison with or without a new sentence during a three-year period following the prisoner’s release.

Summary findings

During 2007, a total of 1,180,469 persons on parole were at-risk of reincarceration. This includes persons under parole supervision on January 1 or those entering parole during the year. Of these parolees, about 16% were returned to incarceration in 2007.
Among nearly 300,000 prisoners released in 15 states in 1994, 67.5% were rearrested within 3 years. A study of prisoners released in 1983 estimated 62.5%.
Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 states in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.
Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for


16 posted on 02/01/2014 8:10:41 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Nailbiter

More ammo, they can plug up their ears to the truth, but you can always find it on the net.

Hierarchial Counting Crime
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr_general.html


17 posted on 02/01/2014 8:44:47 AM PST by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: KeyLargo

Thanks for pointing me to that. I hadn’t seen or heard of it.


18 posted on 02/01/2014 8:49:11 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Travis McGee

I trust that little Chuckie Bloomer was severely punished for drawing a picture of a gun.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 9:39:12 AM PST by Colinsky
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To: Pearls Before Swine
"My own take is that you’d have more frequent shooting incidents, but massacres would become rare."

Without supporting data (and there is none), your "take" is FAKE.

20 posted on 02/01/2014 11:45:44 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

“take” is meant as my subjective estimate of how it would turn out. How can that be FAKE?

It could be wrong, you might strongly think my guess is wrong, but how could it be FAKE, which implies some manipulation of opinion on my part? I’d rather see the experiment done, myself, as it turns out.


21 posted on 02/01/2014 1:41:34 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Just a little one-letter, rhyming play on words...


22 posted on 02/01/2014 4:55:55 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

We’re cool, then!


23 posted on 02/01/2014 5:05:32 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KeyLargo
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Ironically I've felt safer in literal war-zones than I have in some "gun-free zones".

24 posted on 02/01/2014 5:40:21 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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