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Over and drought: Why the end of Israel's water shortage is a secret [desalination creates surplus]
haaretz.com ^ | January 24, 2014 | Yuval Elizur

Posted on 02/01/2014 9:46:38 AM PST by grundle

Remember all the years of being told to conserve 'every drop?' Well, times have changed: Today, Israel has so much affordable water, it can offer to export it. So why is this achievement being kept so secret?

In ancient times and even during the years of the British Mandate (1917-1948), the shortage of water in Palestine, as well as among its neighbors in the Middle East, had a decisive influence not only on the area’s economic development, but also on the political strife between Jews and Arabs. Technology has changed all this. Now, the ability to produce all the water that's needed, whether for human consumption or for agriculture, may soon change our way of life and perhaps even, if our neighbors agree, bring peace closer.

There is now a surplus of water in Israel, thanks largely to the opening of several new desalination plants - and the development of natural-gas fields that can power them cheaply. Since water is the source of life, the well-known Israeli imperative to “save every drop” should still be respected. But the price the Israeli population is charged for its water supply should be reduced by more than the 5 percent drop announced on January 1 of this year.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; desalination; drought; israel; israelwater; watershortage
Desalination has turned Israel's water shortage into a surplus. Why hasn't California done the same thing?
1 posted on 02/01/2014 9:46:38 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle
Because we don't have cheap natural gas from fracking... oh... wait... we do.

/johnny

2 posted on 02/01/2014 9:49:50 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grundle

Socialism


3 posted on 02/01/2014 9:51:33 AM PST by onedoug
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To: grundle

California doing something smart? you’ve got to be joking.
Also, you can turn the Arabian peninsula into a rain forest and they’d still be the same old assholes.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 9:51:35 AM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: grundle

My first thought also. But we have the EPA....Enviro Police Activists


5 posted on 02/01/2014 9:51:55 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: grundle

You can look for those plants to become terrorist targets.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 9:52:23 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: grundle

Of course, the stupid Moslems would rather drink water re-cycled through their kidneys than recognize the treasure they have in their midst of a technologically advanced, well-organized society in their midst. Like Obama, Holder and their ilk, nursing their grievances counts for so much more than progress.


7 posted on 02/01/2014 9:55:26 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
They say that about the Space Elevator concept too. If we could solve some (non-trivial) problems, the Space Elevator would allow us a cheap and reliable way to get material into orbit. It would be a game-changer.

But people always say "You can look for those to become terrorist targets". I just never understand that kind of thinking.

8 posted on 02/01/2014 9:55:34 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: grundle
FTA: "Now, the ability to produce all the water that's needed, whether for human consumption or for agriculture, may soon change our way of life and perhaps even, if our neighbors agree, bring peace closer."
Yeah but, no matter what haters are gonna hate:

What they need is prune juice because they're so full of SHEET!
9 posted on 02/01/2014 9:55:56 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: grundle

We’re building a bullet train from FR to Bakersfield instead.

See tagline...


10 posted on 02/01/2014 9:57:18 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: grundle

Strange, but this story brought to mind Frank Herbert’s “Dune.”


11 posted on 02/01/2014 9:59:02 AM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning.)
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To: grundle

I thought California was doing this? I know they took sewer water and cleaned it up and made it “drinkable”....in El Cajon in the 1960’s (it was awful.)


12 posted on 02/01/2014 9:59:03 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: grundle

I remember reading about or seeing a timeline of the historical climate change in this area and how it affected the ancient biblical history. Interesting that they now have natural gas and desalination. I hope that these two things plus hopefully more independence of this country from foreign oil will see a way out of the 66 year old crisis in this area. Actually, it’s been a crisis longer than that but that is the age of Israel.


13 posted on 02/01/2014 10:01:26 AM PST by Mercat
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To: grundle

The Kinneret’s (sea of galilee) water level.
http://www.savethekinneret.com/

Due to lack of rain not much of a climb. I was really hoping they’d get enough rain so the water level would top Deganya Dam this year.

Pray for more rain for Israel.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 10:05:35 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: grundle
Why hasn't California done the same thing?

Wellllll, the EPA might have something to do with it.

15 posted on 02/01/2014 10:07:28 AM PST by yoe
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To: grundle

Desalination has turned Israel’s water shortage into a surplus. Why hasn’t California done the same thing?


You know the simple one word problem—enviros

Here are some of their objections:

1. producing natural gas requires fracking
2. burning the gas produces CO2
3. building plants on the coast threatens their view of the ocean
4. some shrimp or fishies might be sucked into the plants and threaten them with extinction.
5. The limo liberals in places like Marin county use water shortages to limit housing development and keep the riffraff out


16 posted on 02/01/2014 10:11:08 AM PST by fifedom
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To: gusopol3

The mother’s milk of Palestine is hatred.

God foretold what we witness today -

Isaiah 41:18-20

I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

Isaiah 27:6

In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.

Isaiah 51:3

The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 10:11:10 AM PST by volunbeer
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To: Mercat

All
If you use google earth do a search for Israel.

Take the time slider and move it you can see how green parts of the country have become.


18 posted on 02/01/2014 10:11:44 AM PST by fudimo
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To: ClearCase_guy

“But people always say “You can look for those to become terrorist targets”. I just never understand that kind of thinking.”

Agreed. Amazingly enough, America once built the Hoover Dam (and it didn’t take a generation). We don’t do that anymore.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 10:17:18 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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To: grundle

Because Moon Beam Brown needs to get the high speed rail system up and going remember when you get in office you have to pay back your backers.
The mafia never died it just moved up the ladder and now it’s at the top.


20 posted on 02/01/2014 10:21:27 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: yoe

Getting high speed rail is much more important than water, jeezz...


21 posted on 02/01/2014 10:22:22 AM PST by rossusa
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To: Mercat

I don’t see a solution until the end of times.

Genesis 16:12
“He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”


22 posted on 02/01/2014 10:24:16 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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To: grundle
Off-shore drilling + desalinization plants = End to California's water problems.
23 posted on 02/01/2014 10:26:09 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: grundle

“Desalination has turned Israel’s water shortage into a surplus. Why hasn’t California done the same thing? “

Pfffft. Emulate plucky, intensely clever, and successful people living in a desert? Why do that when it’s easier to steal money from people who feel guilty for having the good fortune to have more than they need, using the power of government, raking off plenty in the process and helping perpetuate your term in office?


24 posted on 02/01/2014 10:30:05 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: CitizenUSA

(Thorium fueled) nuclear power plants COULD produce all the electricity needed for al the world’s cities while ALSO producing hundreds of millions of gallons of desalinated sea water PLUS tons of salt for use AND keep thousands of acres of greenhouse space producing food ,flowers,or medicinal plants.Hot water from these plants could heat much of a city as was once done when the first power plants were located close to their customers. Cincinnati had a power plant on its riverfront;so they could have used waste heat to warm most of the commercial district.

The unbridled power allowed the EPA and the ability of crazed enviromentalists to sue has cost untold trillions of $$$ and resulted in lower standards of living for millions.

Of course the OPEC people have to wonder at the willing suicide of the West.Not that they don’t quietly celebrate OPEC’s accumulation of wealth and power.

Their is NO good reason the United States should be dependent on any nation much less those hostile to our freedom.


25 posted on 02/01/2014 10:36:15 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: volunbeer

Excellent selections.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 10:41:16 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: grundle

The plant in Carlsbad will open in 2016 and provide up to 10% of the county’s water. So we need a few more, as does the rest of the state. San Diego county is the driest along the coast and we have little of our own supply.

It has been 14 years since they sought approval, the private company and the city. They got all the permits, including coastal commission. It took 10 years; then the same groups which opposed the plant during the administrative process tried to stop it in court.

Instead of the judge deferring to the 10 years of administrative processes, he had a hearing and it stung it out another 2 years.

We are literally paralyzed in California. No new freeways, no tracking, no new power plants; so if someone builds a desal plant, it’s a miracle. But they need to get started.


27 posted on 02/01/2014 10:42:56 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: grundle

“Why hasn’t California done the same thing? “

Maybe it would have been a good idea, but Fukushima has put an end to that.

http://enenews.com/

There likely won’t be much surfing in California once people start hearing about this.


28 posted on 02/01/2014 10:43:43 AM PST by PastorBooks
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To: yoe

#27 FYI


29 posted on 02/01/2014 10:44:17 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: grundle

Who wants to save California?


30 posted on 02/01/2014 10:53:15 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: grundle

To be fair, a train from and to nowhere is waaaaaaaaaaaay more important than water.


31 posted on 02/01/2014 11:06:16 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Natural gas? And it’s economical electric generation problem too.


32 posted on 02/01/2014 11:08:47 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: grundle

Because the politicians in CA are too stupid to live.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 11:12:24 AM PST by Jean2
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To: fudimo

When we lived in Japan (1988-2002), we were able to buy grapefruit at the local market which were imported from Israel. Amazing little country!


34 posted on 02/01/2014 11:13:05 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rossusa
Getting high speed rail is much more important than water, jeezz...

...and Jesus wept.

35 posted on 02/01/2014 11:13:35 AM PST by yoe
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To: Vigilanteman

When we went to Jerusalem, we stayed a bock from the Yehuda Market. The abundance of products there, all grown in Israeli, was very impressive. We ask went through the Arab neighborhood near the Damascus gate to the Old City. Really pathetic and dirty offerings.


36 posted on 02/01/2014 11:17:18 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: hoosierham
The unbridled power allowed the EPA and the ability of crazed enviromentalists to sue has cost untold trillions of $$$ and resulted in lower standards of living for millions.

THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE...IGNORANCE IS A CHOICE

"A full scale attack by EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers to take control of all water from any source whatsoever is under way. What these agencies are attempting is an end run around water and land rights. These agencies are constructing regulations and fictional jurisdictional control. We cannot depend on our courts or the federal government to reign in and control these agencies as they are both privately owned corporations that masquerade as public service agencies. While congress may express their concerns about the police state actions being constructed, they have no authority or power to dictate what these agencies do under private contract law."

37 posted on 02/01/2014 11:28:10 AM PST by yoe
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To: CitizenUSA

Genesis 16:12 refers to “Ishmael”, ancestor to Mohammed and the generations of Islam we now deal with.

The rivalry of two siblings is the curse of our jhadists hatred toward Christaians/Jews...Ishmael and Isaac.


38 posted on 02/01/2014 12:03:04 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: grundle

Desalinization may soon get much better. Low maintenance nanoscale filters have been developed that use just a quarter of the energy used by reverse osmosis.

Basically they are vast numbers of tubes only wide enough to pass single molecules of water, and the molecules smaller than water are either non-toxic or volatile.

The end result is water even purer than distilled, because even air gasses have been separated out.


39 posted on 02/01/2014 12:19:24 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: morphing libertarian

Thanks for post 27.


40 posted on 02/01/2014 1:23:02 PM PST by grundle
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Israel didn’t invent trickle irrigation or hydroponics, but has worked on both more than anyone; at one time Israel was a net exporter of water insofar as it grew fruit for European produce markets. As the population grew and especially after the 1994 peace treaty with Jordan (which requires Israel to make up a certain amount of water shortfall in Jordan, a shortfall engineered by everyone’s favorite hereditary dictatorship in Syria), Israel reduced its fresh fruit exports and looked for sources from outside the country.

Israel would have even more water, but also supplies water to the Gazan parasite:
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2706/is_israel_really_to_blame_for_gaza_s_water_shortages

Since 1967 there had been talk about trading the Sinai for a canal to bring Nile water to Israel — an idea condemned by Sudan, which threatened rather unrealistically to cut off Nile water to Egypt. The so-called Peace Canal was one of the big projects during the Mubarak years, and that led to a large conduit getting dug under the Suez Canal and an open-air canal heading east along the Med coast toward El-Arish.

Thanks grundle.


41 posted on 02/01/2014 7:48:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: grundle

Israel

Israel Desalination Enterprises’ Sorek Desalination Plant in Palmachim is to provide up to 26,000 m³ of potable water per hour (2.300 m³ p.a.). At full capacity, it will be the largest desalination plant of its kind in the world.[95]

The Hadera seawater reverse osmosis (SWRO) desalination plant in Israel is the largest of its kind in the world.[96][97] The project was developed as a build–operate–transfer by a consortium of two Israeli companies: Shikun and Binui, and IDE Technologies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination#Israel


42 posted on 02/01/2014 9:20:36 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: JRandomFreeper; SunkenCiv

Last year I heard about an oil discovery near Monterrey. I’m not holding my breath while waiting to see if California will allow drilling there.


43 posted on 02/02/2014 7:18:11 AM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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44 posted on 02/02/2014 7:22:19 AM PST by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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