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West and Russia accuse each other of 'coercing' Ukraine
Reuters ^ | Feb.1, 2014 | Stephen Brown and Missy Ryan

Posted on 02/01/2014 11:44:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy

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To: Ivan Mazepa
Russia doesn't spend money to modernize its own industry, WHY, in all that is holy, would they spend money on Ukraine's?

If I were to guess:

This is not to say that development within Russia is out of question... but Ukrainian resources are already there, right across the border - they are just poorly managed (which is obvious.)

A similar set of facts is the reason why your computer is built in Taiwan from parts made in Malaysia. It's not a conspiracy of Dell and IBM and HP - it's caused by natural reasons that apply to everyone. This is why the USA buys steel from China instead of upgrading domestic steel mills (say, in Pittsburgh.) [Today you'd die from old age before you negotiate all the red tape paperwork with EPA.]

41 posted on 02/02/2014 6:50:38 PM PST by Greysard
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To: ought-six

>>>You’re not serious, are you? Ukraine was independent under Stalin? Ukrainians were so happy under Stalin? Then one must ask why they welcomed the Nazis as liberators.

Forced collectivization under Stalin hit Ukraine especially hard.<<<

Not everyone has welcomed Nazis as liberators.
There were two poor peasants and one urban shoe polisher who got jobs in newly established industries per every kulak sent to gulag in 1930s. Czarist regime before Stalin was a feudal tyranny and it wasn’t pretty. It is a primary reason why commies got an upper hand, and Stalin was popular in USSR, including Ukraine.


42 posted on 02/03/2014 6:33:44 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Greysard
Your points make too much sense, unfortunately, this is not how FSU Russia and Ukraine operate. There is no economic vision, neither country is making investments, and if there are investments, a large portion is wasted through corruption. In all, Russia is just as inept as Ukraine (I mean there is less than a week left till the Olympics and they're still building hotels in Sochi)

It benefits Russia because it creates economic links to Ukraine that are not as easy to break (compared to Ukrainian President today deciding something and tomorrow undeciding that, as a true master of his word.)

Conclusion for Ukraine should be the exact opposite. If Russia throws a tantrum and closes border when Ukraine makes a political decision, it is not a reliable trading partner, and Ukraine should not walk, but run the other way

43 posted on 02/03/2014 10:20:32 AM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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