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California Legalized Selling Food Made At Home And Created Over A Thousand Local Businesses
Forbes ^ | January 29, 2014 | Nick Sibilla

Posted on 02/01/2014 12:06:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A government official appears at a man’s door. The man has been breaking the law: He has sold bread baked at home.

This isn’t a page from Kafka—it happened to Mark Stambler in Los Angeles.

For decades, Stambler has followed traditional methods to bake loaves of French bread. The ingredients are simple: distilled water, sea salt, wild yeast and organic grains. Stambler even mills the grain himself. To make it easier to steam loaves, he built a wood-fired oven in his own backyard. Stambler’s loaves came in first place at the Los Angeles County Fair and the California State Fair.

Soon after that, Stambler got the idea to expand his hobby into a home business, which became Pagnol Boulanger. Word of mouth spread. In June 2011, The Los Angeles Times profiled Stambler and his bread in a full-page feature.

Unlike his bread, that profile was bittersweet. He was busted the very next day. As he described it, the health department “descended like a ton of bricks on the two stores that were selling my bread…they could no longer sell my bread.”

An inspector from the health department even showed up at his doorstep to make sure “no bread baking was taking place.” For the next 18 months, Pagnol Boulanger was forced to go on hiatus....

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; economy; food; regulations
Three page article.
1 posted on 02/01/2014 12:06:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's not about food safety. It's about government control and barriers to entry into business. It has always been such.

/johnny

2 posted on 02/01/2014 12:11:26 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All


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3 posted on 02/01/2014 12:16:03 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You need too keep your mouth shut. His waterloo was when the newspaper ran the story about him. Never do anything to attract the attention of Government Bureaucrats if it can be avoided.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 12:16:11 PM PST by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A rare situation where CA law has superseded FL law in liberty, with the latter being more restrictive. In FL, the limit is $15K, inspectors can come into your home if there is a complaint lodged, and no internet sales are allowed.


5 posted on 02/01/2014 12:17:27 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good thing he didn’t refuse to bake bread for a gay wedding reception then he’d be in REAL trouble.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 12:20:20 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

And these laws are the corporations’ way of squashing would be competitors.


7 posted on 02/01/2014 12:22:42 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: sport

Point taken, but how feasible is that when you have a popular product? your only other choice is to sell the stuff in dark alleys like bootleg gin during prohibition: “psst, buddy you got any bread?” “whats the password?” “pierre sent me”

LOL

CC


8 posted on 02/01/2014 12:24:53 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: sport

Need a bounty on Bureaucrats.........


9 posted on 02/01/2014 12:25:55 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ?............................ Enforce the Bill of Rights............ It's the LAW !!!)
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To: chajin

Yep, nor wholesale sales either.


10 posted on 02/01/2014 12:37:07 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

You will be surprised how effective word of mouth is, but you are correct.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 12:43:12 PM PST by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is relevant to point out the reason such regulations have been put in place. Here’s a partial list of food poisoning outbreaks in the US since the 70s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foodborne_illness_outbreaks_in_the_United_States

If we went back into the late 1800s and early 1900s the list would be much longer and deadlier.

Our food supply is so safe nowadays we tend to take it for granted. But people used to die all the time from contaminated food. That they don’t today is very largely because of food safety regulations.

Not trying to say that every regulation is necessary or properly enforced, only that bacteria are amazingly sneaky and can be very deadly. There are very good reasons to make food production for sale to the public not something that is undertaken casually.


12 posted on 02/01/2014 12:44:42 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Celtic Conservative

password? “I’m a little flaky croissant”


13 posted on 02/01/2014 12:46:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sport
Never do anything to attract the attention of Government Bureaucrats if it can be avoided.

Very true, and most bureaucrats are inherently lazy also.

14 posted on 02/01/2014 12:49:30 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: musicman
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15 posted on 02/01/2014 12:50:37 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The big-government/big-corporate crony-fascist complex wants a monopoly on everything.
16 posted on 02/01/2014 12:50:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Utterly ridiculous. Food was not mass produced before the 20th century. For mankind’s entire history food has been homegrown. The only difference today is the government protects food monopolies.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 12:50:51 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

What’s the password? “take your bread and baguette”

CC


18 posted on 02/01/2014 12:50:59 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Utterly ridiculous. Food was not mass produced before the 20th century. For mankind’s entire history food has been homegrown. The only difference today is the government protects food monopolies.


They also fund them with EBT.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 12:57:33 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: freedomfiter2
these laws are the corporations’ way of squashing would be competitors.

And the unions' too.

20 posted on 02/01/2014 12:59:21 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Sherman Logan

So what is the reason for the sales caps??? Have any good reason to justify that?


21 posted on 02/01/2014 1:01:09 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Celtic Conservative

;)


22 posted on 02/01/2014 1:04:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

As I said, I don’t claim that any and all food safety regulations make sense. Only that food preparation and sale is not a particularly good venue for a completely free market.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 1:10:14 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds good on the surface but I suspect it is
to please the illegal alien faction.


24 posted on 02/01/2014 1:11:22 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sherman Logan

Keeping the rules minimal, un-intrusive, and common sense is the best way to go.


25 posted on 02/01/2014 1:13:48 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Freepers should pass the word that in California, vets pay no health fees, per State law.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 1:22:53 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; panaxanax; xzins; Guenevere; xrmusn; RebelTXRose; ZinGirl; driftless2; ...

Maybe Chloe Sirling can convince the Illinois legislature to allow her to bake cupcakes at home.

If she lived in California (of all places) she would have the LIBERTY to bake cupcakes at home without the Illinois Food Nazis shutting her down.


27 posted on 02/01/2014 1:26:04 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Talisker

I haven’t paid dime number one for anything medical since I went over 50% service-connected disabled and that is in all 57 states.


28 posted on 02/01/2014 1:26:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Sivad

Exactly. We pass a Latino man selling fruit and vegetables from his truck on a vacant lot nearly every day and I remarked to my wife “if I tried that they’d shut me down in 20 minutes” and you know it’s true.


29 posted on 02/01/2014 1:28:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Sivad
Sounds good on the surface but I suspect it is to please the illegal alien faction.

So you'd be willing to surrender precious liberty to punish some illegal aliens?

30 posted on 02/01/2014 1:40:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Sherman Logan
Here’s a partial list of food poisoning outbreaks in the US since the 70s.

I didnt see any bread on that list.

31 posted on 02/01/2014 1:59:25 PM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: P-Marlowe

Let me turn it it around. Why do people like you have to
assume such ridiculous notions? I’m saying the liberals
who call the shots don’t care two dead flies about capitalism.
If it wasn’t for the fact that tons of their illegal pals were
engaged in such enterprises they would be against these
home kitchen businesses.


32 posted on 02/01/2014 2:09:14 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting. I’ll check our state laws. My daughter’s incredible cherry chutney has a definite market, if she chooses to sell it.

A woman in CA started selling her sweet/spicy “Mendocino Mustard” to friends and it turned into a significant business. Delish, and profitable too. And, come to think of it, I maKe a spice blend that turns burgers into International delights. Everyone asks for the recipe…perhaps they will PAY.

Let’s all make a little income on the side and donate a significant percent to FREE REPUBLIC.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 2:12:18 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!
I'll look for you and her on Shark Tank.
34 posted on 02/01/2014 2:15:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL. I wouldn’t trust those sharks. We’ll start small, work out the problems, and make enough, a little family business, who needs the aggravation of BIGTIME?

Reminds me of a fellow who self-published a book that caught on, he had so many orders, his entire family had to quit their jobs and become the shipping department. Finally he sold rights to a major publishing house, who sold millions of copies, and the family got back to normal. A new, wealthy normal.

I’m sorta surprised that this thread didn’t get more capitalist-leaning answers. Lots of complaints, few ideas about how to make it work. Hmmmm.


35 posted on 02/01/2014 2:23:58 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Louis Foxwell
A while back a lot of people were being seriously sickened by Mexican cheese made in bathtubs.

In some cases the bathtubs were being used as bathtubs and for cheesemaking as well. Some people claimed that that is what gave the cheese its special flavor.

36 posted on 02/01/2014 2:25:37 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: JRandomFreeper

Bingo.

If he were smart he’d have ‘bartered’, or ‘suggested donation’. Use the stupid law to its extreme and shut down the nanny State at every turn possible.


37 posted on 02/01/2014 2:36:56 PM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Sivad

Would you have voted against this law?


38 posted on 02/01/2014 2:40:08 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Sherman Logan

Isn’t it interesting that almost all of those illnesses were from eating industrially processed food and virtually none of them were from home baked breads, pastries, cookies, donuts, cupcakes....


39 posted on 02/01/2014 2:47:10 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

Overall, I would support any law that advances capitalism but
I would surely be ready to distinguish the difference between
my love for capitalism and freedom with another’s political posturing.
You don’t think those Democrats use this to demonstrate their
love for capitalism while they work to legislate businesses out
of business?


40 posted on 02/01/2014 3:02:42 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: freedomfiter2
these laws are the corporations’ way of squashing would be competitors.

Exactly.

41 posted on 02/01/2014 3:50:15 PM PST by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: Sivad

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.


42 posted on 02/01/2014 4:16:27 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I should have clarified - I meant to say that in California, if you are a vet and you open a business that requires health department fees to operate, you are exempt.


43 posted on 02/01/2014 4:34:29 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait until the feds step in and say that they’re affecting interstate commerce.


44 posted on 02/01/2014 4:37:38 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I never thought about this. At our local farmers' market, there are lots of home-made products: pies, cakes, jams, jellies, pickles, etc. I've never heard of any requirement for health department inspection or licensing.
45 posted on 02/01/2014 5:35:46 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Have you been made sick by any of the products?

Because to tell you the truth, most of the cases of food poisoning I’ve ever heard of came from government-inspected facilities. (Restaurants, etc.)

In my experience, food-handling/health inspectors are among the most arrogant, self-important, and corrupt government officials anywhere. (And that’s saying quite a bit.) I’ve never met a single one that I’d trust to walk my dog.

Regards,


46 posted on 02/01/2014 5:53:13 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Without a doubt, Mexicans in CA have been selling home-made tamales (and good ones, too) since Montezuma was a niño...


47 posted on 02/01/2014 8:19:36 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: VermiciousKnid
"I’ve never met a single one that I’d trust to walk my dog."

I've never met a bureaucrat that I'd trust to to scoop up after my dog...

48 posted on 02/01/2014 8:26:11 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA
Without a doubt, Mexicans in CA have been selling home-made tamales (and good ones, too) since Montezuma was a niño...

They sell them in Idaho also. Yesterday in the parking lot of the grocery store, I saw a lady and her kids selling tamales from a cool box in the back of her car. It's "under the table". No signs, no business license, no income reported, no sales tax, etc.

49 posted on 02/02/2014 3:03:54 AM PST by Victoria_R (Believers in VERY small government: Count Mountjoy/Benter in 2012!!!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Well, go back to detective school and learn how demrats give
themselves cover while they tax and regulate businesses out of
the state.


50 posted on 02/02/2014 7:16:19 AM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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