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Old Mexico Lives On (In The USA)
The Economist ^ | 2-1-2014

Posted on 02/01/2014 1:34:36 PM PST by blam

Old Mexico Lives On

Feb 1st 2014

On February 2nd 1848, following a short and one-sided war, Mexico agreed to cede more than half its territory to the United States. An area covering most of present-day Arizona, California, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah, plus parts of several other states, was handed over to gringolandia. The rebellious state of Tejas, which had declared its independence from Mexico in 1836, was recognised as American soil too. But a century and a half later, communities have proved more durable than borders.

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TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Kansas; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas; US: Utah; US: Wyoming
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1 posted on 02/01/2014 1:34:36 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I’m sure if the southwest decided to secede, or join Mexico, they would get the same treatment the Confederacy did. /sarc


2 posted on 02/01/2014 1:36:29 PM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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To: blam

Is it the cost of living that keeps New England lily white?


3 posted on 02/01/2014 1:41:54 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: blam

Livin’in LA my whole life. Yep.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 1:43:35 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: blam
Demographics is destiny.
5 posted on 02/01/2014 1:46:52 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: TheGipperWasRight

The Mexican-American war of 1846-8 was not one sided. America wasn’t a world power and most of the European Nations believed Mexico would win. Mexico lost because of poor leadership on the part of General Santa Anna. If he would have tossed in his reserves at the pivital Battle of Buena Vista—He might have beatten the invading Yankees. The war was unpopular—with New England threatening to leave the Union over it. Had Mexico held on—the US may will have lost the will to fight.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 1:47:09 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: blam

The map merely depicts the “Reconquista.”


7 posted on 02/01/2014 1:49:10 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: TheGipperWasRight
"I’m sure if the southwest decided to secede, or join Mexico, they would get the same treatment the Confederacy did. /sarc"

In this book,the author claims that the coming Civil War will have a racial component and the areas shown on the map as 'Old Mexico' would fall to the Hispanics and become a new Spanish speaking country.

Draw a line straight across from the top of Tennessee to Texas (about) and everything south of that would become a new Black nation.
Whites would be forced into the remaining northern states and form a new country with Canada.

So...

8 posted on 02/01/2014 1:51:32 PM PST by blam
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To: Rebelbase
Is it the cost of living that keeps New England lily white?

This article is about mexicans. Not Nicaraguans, Dominicans, Ecuadorians, Peruvians, Chileans, etc.

9 posted on 02/01/2014 1:56:57 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: blam
Then what the heck are all of them doing in Washington?

Shouldn't that be going back to the Russkies?

10 posted on 02/01/2014 1:57:10 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: blam

lol

the black will never ever, not in a million years take over the old south as a blacks only nation.

now the old Mexico thing.... could happen.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 2:00:22 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: blam
But a century and a half later, communities have proved more durable than borders.

More like, the courage and determination and self-confidence of Anglos has not proved durable enough to hold the land and the culture. ("Anglos" broadly construed.) We need less moral relativism and more Manifest Destiny.

12 posted on 02/01/2014 2:00:38 PM PST by omega4412
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To: TheGipperWasRight

I would be a little skeptical of this map. I think, as of the last census results, that it overstates the number of Mexicans in our county.

I buy nothing from Mexico. I won’t go there anymore. I am anti-Mexican until their dirt-bag government calls home their millions of campesinos and patriots to go back and build their own country into a paradigm of a socialist nirvana.

Go back and screw up your own shit hole and don’t bring your socialist cancer here.


13 posted on 02/01/2014 2:05:32 PM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: blam

Wrong. Texas became a state in the USA in December 1845, before the Mexican-American War. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the war, with the USA paying Mexico $15,000,000, quite a generous chunk of change considering that the US won the war handily, thanks to military men such as Robert E. Lee and Zachary Scott.

Mexicans whine about the fact that they lost their territory, but when you lose a war and sign a treaty, and get paid millions besides, you have nothing to whine about. Of course, through the invasion of our country by their citizens they’ll reclaim much of this territory, while Uncle Sugar feeds them, educates them, and medicates them at no cost. Can any country this stupid last?


14 posted on 02/01/2014 2:07:05 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: omega4412
"More like, the courage and determination and self-confidence of Anglos has not proved durable enough to hold the land and the culture."

More like, when a people become too civilized to do what's necessary to survive in an uncivilized world, they won't survive, nor do they deserve to survive.

15 posted on 02/01/2014 2:07:39 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: txrefugee

You mean Zachary Taylor. Zachary Scott was an actor.


16 posted on 02/01/2014 2:08:49 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: blam

Wow, this map is certainly outdated...at least as far as the Sanctuary Peoples Democratic State of Maryland goes.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 2:08:59 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
New England threatened to secede with the Louisiana Purchase and in the waning days of the War of 1812. It did not threaten to secede with the Mexican War due to the Jackson Precedent set in 1832. New Englanders were unhappy, as was the Whig Party and Henry Clay, but no one threatened to secede over it.
18 posted on 02/01/2014 2:11:10 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

It was Generals Zachary Taylor and Winfield Scott who led our Army to Victory in the Mexican War. Lieutenant Robert E. Lee was only a Combat Engineer in that War.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 2:19:34 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DJ Taylor

That’s better.


20 posted on 02/01/2014 2:20:32 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: DJ Taylor

He was the right hand of General Winfield Scott I believe.


21 posted on 02/01/2014 2:22:53 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: blam

Hmmmm...that’s a tough one. Live under a government that is openly corrupt, disrespects its people’s civil rights, is actively in league with one or more of the cartels, and skims off all the profits form private enterprise for its own purposes - or become a part of Mexico. :)


22 posted on 02/01/2014 2:24:23 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: raybbr; Rebelbase

Cost of living and the weather, to some extent. Dominican born Mayor Willie Lantigua of Lawrence, MA, stole a brand new garbage truck and sold it in the Dominican Republic. Lots of places in New England are more Hispanic than white.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 2:31:00 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: DJ Taylor

Lee’s permanent rank throughout the Mexican War was Captain of Engineers. He received brevet promotions all the way to colonel, but those were not really promotions, they were more along the lines of recognition for meritorious service.

Winfield Scott, during and after the war, considered him the best officer in the US Army.


24 posted on 02/01/2014 2:33:08 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Rebelbase

a) distance; b) absence of low-paying, unskilled jobs (outside of government)


25 posted on 02/01/2014 2:37:23 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: blam
Whites would be forced into the remaining northern states and form a new country with Canada.

For about ten minutes, then hordes from the Hispanic and black countries would begin flooding the borders of Whiteyland, demanding amnesty, food stamps, health care, etc.

26 posted on 02/01/2014 2:41:57 PM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Rebelbase

If you exclude Latinos. I (Irish/Scottish descent) am a minority where i live in MA. Between 1990 and 2000, the Latino population in New England grew 60 percent

“New England has a significantly denser population than that of the U.S. as a whole (79.56/sq mi), or even just the contiguous 48 states (94.48/sq mi). Three-quarters of the population of New England, and most of the major cities, are in the states of Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. The combined population density of these states is 786.83/sq mi, compared to northern New England’s 63.56/sq mi (2000 census).”

“In terms of race and ethnicity, White Americans made up 84.9% of New England’s population, of which 81.2% were whites of non-Hispanic origin. Black Americans composed 5.7% of the region’s population, of which 5.3% were blacks of non-Hispanic origin.”

Hispanic and Latino Americans are New England’s largest “minority, and they are the second-largest group in the region behind non-Hispanic European Americans. Hispanics and Latinos of any race made up 7.9% of New England’s population, and there were over 1.1 million Hispanic and Latino individuals reported in the survey.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England#Demographics

Interesting chart of all states regarding religion, money, voting, etc. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Statistical_Correlations.html


27 posted on 02/01/2014 2:46:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: blam
But a century and a half later, communities have proved more durable than borders.

Not exactly. A couple million immigrants per year (between legal and illegal) combined with a million abortions per year over 3 decades will give you a dramatic demographic shift.

28 posted on 02/01/2014 2:49:07 PM PST by marron
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To: txrefugee
Mapa Mexico 1845.PNG
December 29, 1845
The United States annexed the Republic of Texas, admitted as the state of Texas. However, Mexico didn't accept the annexation or the Mexican border with Texas, which provoked the Mexican–American War.

Mapa Mexico 1853 1.PNG

December 13, 1853
On December 13, 1853, Antonio López de Santa Anna signed the Gadsden Purchase (known as Venta de la Mesilla in Mexico). He sold an area of 76,845 km² from the states of Sonora and Chihuahua for $10 million to the United States.

The treaty was signed by U.S. President Franklin Pierce on June 24, 1853, and was ratified by the United States Senate on April 25, 1854. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Mexico

Area Mexico ceded to the United States in 1848, minus Texan claims. The Mexican Cession consist of present day U.S. states of California, Nevada, Utah, most of Arizona, half of New Mexico, less than half of Colorado, less than half of the southwest of Wyoming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession

29 posted on 02/01/2014 2:54:39 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

They should have won the war.


31 posted on 02/01/2014 3:12:20 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Rebelbase

Too cold in the winter, too wet in the spring. There is a decent week in August, and another in October.

And any day we can beat the Yankees, Knicks, or Jets.


32 posted on 02/01/2014 3:14:01 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Publius

Winfield Scott. I think that’s who he meant.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 3:16:22 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: blam
"...Mexico agreed to cede more than half its territory to the United States..."

It is a bit of a stretch to say Mexico gave up half of its territory when the area they gave up had no military, no police, no postal service, no court system.

What Mexico had was a claim on the land but did not occupy it beyond a few towns. Then as now, Mexico is about the goings on in Mexico City and not any thing else.

34 posted on 02/01/2014 3:17:53 PM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: bert

Yeah. He was at his side. Probably more like two steps behind and to the right.

He was like any LT in a war in a staff position.

I d not mean to detract from what he became..but he was not making a lot of policy or strategy down there. Nor was Grant.


35 posted on 02/01/2014 3:18:48 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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36 posted on 02/01/2014 3:29:12 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: x1stcav

... WHEN IT COMES TO AMNESTY

THIS IS THE MEXICAN PART NO ONE DARES MENTION

If you agree Pass it on to to your favorite talk show host and to your US legislators.

ONE NATIONALITY AMNESTY SKEWS QUOTAS. HURTS OTHERS FROM SOUTH AMERICA, AND SKILLED LABOR QUOTAS FROM OTHER NATIONS ...WORSE YET OFFERING AMNESTY FOR NATIONALS FROM A COUNTRY THAT HAS CLAIMS ON OUR NATIONAL TERRITORY THAT COULD AND HAS TURNED INTO PROBLEMS FOR BORDER STATES CLAIMED BY MEXICO .

In a May 3rd 2011 speech Obama gave before the Mexican Anthropological Museum he blamed America for the violence in Mexico I believe he went even futhur.For there’s a inference but never referenced by name to the Gasden purchase and border settlements US made with Mexico. Here Obama hinted he seems to side with the Mexican claims. Would those in attendence share that view is a question that should be asked, because I believe they would,.he does.

SOLVING THE ‘LATINO” PROBLEM A MYTH HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE BUT A POLITICAL LINGUISTIC CONTRIVANCE ...don’t fall into the hyphenated Americans trap created by the hyphenated political party ...The DEMO-COMS

The Mexicans have been getting most favorable treatment above the rest of our neighbors both north and south. They’re permitted to cross our borders and enter illegally and are allowed access to rights of citizenship (with the exception of voting which if the democrat party regains control over the House will happen) other nationals entering this country don’t get.. Worse yet the Obama government has been working hand in glove with Mexican movements such as LaRaza supporting the Mexican claims which are also supporting “Amnesty”.

Also by allowing Mexicans to do this any quota ration for immigration from other south and central American countrys are taken up by Mexicans while that country is laying claim to a large chunk of our sovereign territory is a recipe for later serious problems which are happening now.

ARE MEXICAN ILLEGALS SQUATTERS PERPETUATING THE MEXICAN CLAIMS ?

We are already seeing the result of this in certain areas claimed by the Mexicans. Their national flag (standard) gets displayed over ours. Where there is a controlling number of Mexican nationals (illegals). It’s displayed over certain institutions particularly schools accompanied by riots and disturbances. Blacks are threatend by Mexicans in certain sections of citys in those areas. We’re courting trouble by not placing a value on our sovereignty and our citizenship.

MOST COINS OF THE REALM HAVE TWO FACES
WHAT ABOUT HOW ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS LIVING IN MEXICO BEING TREATED ?

Worse yet if a US citizen goes into Mexico never mind illegaly but legally. They’ll get 2nd class treatment. Land ownership in title is prohibited period. And there are a slew of regulations they must comply with. Which doesn’t apply to a citizen of Mexico

THE SOLUTION ASSERT OUR SOVEREIGNTY AND TALK RECIPROCITY .

By not insisting on reciprocity particularly on those who have entered this country illegally we’re offering no incentive for assimilation and we’re not easing the burden for our fellow citizens who for what ever reason decided to live in Mexico.

ENOUGH OF THE ONE WORLD SOCIALISM ...BRING BACK SOVEREIGNTY AND SANITY TO OUR COUNTRY .....BRING BACK BELIEF IN GOD ...THIS GOVERNMENT OUT OUR FACE..... OUR RELIGIONS..... AND OUR BEDROOMS..


37 posted on 02/01/2014 3:30:29 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Vermont Lt

By my reading, he was frequently ahead and the primary staff officer


38 posted on 02/01/2014 3:31:42 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: daniel1212

I think Santa Anna actually agreed to a larger cession of land in the Gadsden Purchase, but Congress cut it down because Northerners in Congress (I suppose only the senators were involved) were afraid that the territory gained would someday become part of a slave state. The reason the US wanted the land was to make it feasible to have a southern railroad route to the Pacific.


39 posted on 02/01/2014 4:00:00 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The map merely depicts the “Reconquista.”

Question to ponder: Will enough illegal invaders

(aka “immigrants” accorded status and rights equivalent to or possibly more generous than those granted foreigners who waited their turn and entered legally)

be accorded voting privileges to ensure a permanent Democrat-Socialist majority at the federal level?


40 posted on 02/01/2014 4:01:17 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: x1stcav

I would be a little skeptical of this map. I think, as of the last census results, that it overstates the number of Mexicans in our county.

According to President Obama and his minions there are
NO Mexicans in our country, only Americans.


41 posted on 02/01/2014 4:07:42 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: virgil283; blam
"What Mexico had was a claim on the land"

The Mexicans couldn't pacify the Indians. It was after the Mexican American war that the fort building began. Fort Worth was built in 1849. Fort Concho was built in 1867 where present day San Angelo is.

After that, all they needed was the invention of the variable pitch windmill and barbed wire.

42 posted on 02/01/2014 4:20:24 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Rebelbase

We get the Brazilians.


43 posted on 02/01/2014 4:34:43 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: txrefugee
Can any country this stupid last?

This is history. God gives lands and countries to people who love and serve Him. When those people turn their backs on God, and start worshipping themselves (aka, "humanism"), He gives their lands and countries to their enemies.

This is what's happening. Our "stupidity" was in thinking that we could worship and serve Satan and get away with it.

In answer to your question, no. A country this stupid cannot survive. We're watching the beginning of the end.

I'm an old man, but I do worry for my children and grandchildren.

44 posted on 02/01/2014 4:56:26 PM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks blam.


45 posted on 02/01/2014 8:39:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: bert

Ok...in two days terms, he was a kid at the time.


46 posted on 02/01/2014 9:02:30 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Northerners in Congress (I suppose only the senators were involved) were afraid that the territory gained would someday become part of a slave state.

Some in California may think it became such when they see their taxes!.

47 posted on 02/01/2014 9:10:32 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: blam

This is only half the story. It isn’t just Mexicans. Look at MD. If you put in Central America as ethnic origin the counties around DC would be very brown too.


48 posted on 02/01/2014 9:23:22 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DJ Taylor
"More like, when a people become too civilized to do what's necessary to survive in an uncivilized world, they won't survive, nor do they deserve to survive. "

Bingo!

49 posted on 02/01/2014 10:32:17 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
This Fascinating GIF Shows America's Foreign-Born Population Since 1850


50 posted on 02/01/2014 10:55:26 PM PST by blam
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