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Putin Preaches Godliness to America
American Thinker ^ | February 1,2014 | Jeannie DeAngelis

Posted on 02/01/2014 2:18:12 PM PST by Hojczyk

That's why it's pretty chilling to hear Vladimir Putin hurling accusations at the West and pointing out that what's going on is identical to what went on when communism was established and religion was completely expunged from the Soviet Union.

Between 1917 and 1937, almost a quarter of a million Christians were executed, and churches that survived destruction were converted into things like museums of atheism. Russian President Putin, who hasn't been shy about expressing his disapproval of homosexuality and has banned what he defined as "homosexual propaganda," had this to say:

Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values. Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.

Speaking to his people in the state of the nation address delivered at the end of last year, the Russian president defended traditional values, pointed out the moral bankruptcy of the West, and maintained that conservatism, both religious and societal, is what prevents what he defined as worldwide "chaotic darkness."

Quite the opposite of what goes on in America, where these days the only form of permissible discrimination involves the denigration of conservatives and people of faith, in Russia, it's now a criminal offense to "insult" the religious sensibilities of believers.

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1 posted on 02/01/2014 2:18:12 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Do any Freepers have links to trustworthy reports on Putin?

It his latest just a version of Bill Clinton waving his 5 lb Bible after church or wiping a tear after Ron Brown’s funeral?

What he is saying is accurate, but considering the source.....????


2 posted on 02/01/2014 2:24:27 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: Hojczyk

People can say what they want about Vlad, but if Satan himself were telling folks to worship the one true God, he would still be right.

Putin is right. As religious observance in the West wanes, so does Western Civilization. Marriage, the cornerstone of our society and the bedrock of religion, is being torn asunder one brick at a time.

If we don’t turn this around, it will doom us.


3 posted on 02/01/2014 2:26:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: BwanaNdege

No doubt Putin is being an opportunist here. But that’s what happens when no one else steps up to the plate. But it isn’t going to happen with the US, we are so far gone in multiculturalism , that we are forever incapable of standing up for Christianity anymore.


4 posted on 02/01/2014 2:27:17 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Hojczyk

“Granted, criminalizing homosexuality and making “insulting religious sensibilities” illegal aren’t policies America should ever emulate.”

America dod just fine when homosexuality was criminalized and insulting the religious sensibilities of Christians when done by a government does violate the First Amendment.


5 posted on 02/01/2014 2:27:45 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Hojczyk

Godless world communism is the liberal/progressive goal.


6 posted on 02/01/2014 2:29:02 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Hojczyk

Bizzaro world indeed...


7 posted on 02/01/2014 2:30:23 PM PST by madmominct
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To: Oliviaforever
America did just fine when homosexuality was criminalized and insulting the religious sensibilities of Christians, when done by a government, does violate the First Amendment.

That^

8 posted on 02/01/2014 2:33:08 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Oliviaforever
“Granted, criminalizing homosexuality and making “insulting religious sensibilities” illegal aren’t policies America should ever emulate.”

Putin did not criminalize homosexuality, he only criminalized homosexual propaganda to minors... but perhaps this is an essential part of the homosexual lifestyle?

9 posted on 02/01/2014 2:34:52 PM PST by mvonfr
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To: Hojczyk
I hold Vladimir Putin in the lowest possible esteem.

But there is an old saying: No idea may be deemed responsible for the person who holds it.

And in this case, I fear that Vlad is correct...

10 posted on 02/01/2014 2:39:52 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Hojczyk

Someone needs to. Certainly our president isn’t doing that.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 2:41:39 PM PST by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members http://www.freerepublic.com/foof the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: mvonfr

“Putin did not criminalize homosexuality, he only criminalized homosexual propaganda to minors... but perhaps this is an essential part of the homosexual lifestyle?”

Yep. It’s their version of ‘breeding’, so as to perpetuate the species.


12 posted on 02/01/2014 2:42:08 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Paulie

The it is the survival instinct that makes them react so hysterically.


13 posted on 02/01/2014 2:48:18 PM PST by mvonfr
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To: DoughtyOne

Amen to that. And where Christianity evacuates, the long sword of Islam appears.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 2:48:54 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: mvonfr

> Putin did not criminalize homosexuality, he only criminalized homosexual propaganda to minors... but perhaps this is an essential part of the homosexual lifestyle?

If you can have sex with another man’s anus, pedophelia isn’t that much farther a stretch. There does seem to be a correlation there. Extremely disgusting....


15 posted on 02/01/2014 2:49:12 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

And if you are able to express pride in something the Bible and Christianity are so vehemently against, what does that say about what they think about Judeo-Christian culture, period?


16 posted on 02/01/2014 2:50:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Oliviaforever

The thing was, the government did not denigrate Christianity because the vast majority of them WERE Christians, and the ones who weren’t had a lot of respect for Christian morays and morals.

The 60s ruined America.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 2:52:19 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Agreed...


18 posted on 02/01/2014 2:53:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Hojczyk

If Putin were a businessman in the US, he’d be a member of the Tea Party.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 3:10:20 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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20 posted on 02/01/2014 3:12:48 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Hojczyk

The truth is peculiar. By 400 AD Christianity became dominant in the Roman Empire. Before then Christianity had several centers, so Christians were comfortable with the idea, and soon thereafter a second center of Christianity was founded in Constantinople.

This was wise as well because barbarians were gradually overthrowing Rome, which they finally achieved a hundred years later, so the capital of Christianity became Constantinople.

But a hundred years after that Islam reared its ugly head, and though it took until the 15th Century to conquer Constantinople, in the East, Russians assumed that Moscow would become a new capital of Christianity.

In 1448, the Patriarchate of Moscow (the Russian Church) became independent from the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Metropolitan Jonas, installed by the Council of Russian bishops in 1448, was given the title of Metropolitan of Moscow and All Russia. This was just five years before the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

From this point onward the Russian Orthodox Church saw Moscow as the Third Rome, legitimate successor to Constantinople, and the Primate of Moscow as head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Well, it’s been 560 years since then, and though buried deeply, the Russians, or at least Putin, believe that Moscow is, or at least should be thought of as the new Rome, one of the centers of Christianity in the world.

While that might on the surface seem nostalgic, the underlying brilliance of this as a strategy, should rank as historical genius.

To start with, Putin can do this unopposed. To make Moscow into a capital of Christianity incites the anger of no one that matters. In effect, Putin has become a unifier of the Orthodox churches.

He already sponsored a conclave of Orthodox churches in Moscow, and it was a huge success, erasing divisions that have existed for hundreds of years. And after that great victory, he has even made overtures to Rome to join with them in unifying Christian orthodoxy.

Rome is both thrilled and terrified of the idea. I don’t blame them.

Putin’s gambit elevates him to the level of Constantine and Justinian I, both of whom are Orthodox saints.

At the same time, the secular and often pagan western nations don’t have a clue. Neither do the schismatic Protestant churches, caught up in their own struggles between secular socialism and Christianity.


21 posted on 02/01/2014 3:17:47 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: DoughtyOne

http://johnbatchelorshow.com/podcasts/2014/01/14/second-hour

Start at 19.40

The Russian foreign policy elite desperately need and want Washington now. The notion of their waiting for another administration doesn’t apply today: there’s an opening is Syria, and one in Iran, and one coming in Afghanistan. Three crises en route. The only way to solve these is with an American-Russian joint effort.

They need the White House now. Putin just made it up and bailed Obama out in Syria. Does he know that? I have no idea who’s got Pres Obama’s ear in these matters. Snowden is a bogus issue; there was a moment when Putin might have handed Snowden over; but Russia didn’t want him. If Washington had returned a few Russians to Moscow, the trade could have occurred. By now, European sentiment is so much in favor of Snowden that Putin dasn’t hand him over to Obama.

Putin knows we have to fight the islamists


22 posted on 02/01/2014 3:20:24 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Well it is like my question I asked as a junior in high school, way back in 1983, “what if the USSR became the US and the US became the USSR?” Looks like I will see the results of my 1980’s era thought experiment.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 3:27:11 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: BwanaNdege

I’d be careful fawning too much over Putin. If you’re looking for comparisons, he’s more Mussolini than Clinton, IMO. Violent, egotistical womanizer behind closed doors - if you believe most of the reports on why he’s divorced now.


24 posted on 02/01/2014 3:28:13 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: CowboyJay
... violent, egotistical womanizer behind closed doors ...

Which one?

Clinton,

Mussolini

or Putin?

Also, to agree with a statement someone has made is a very, very long way from "fawning". I'm just trying to figure out Putin's motives in saying this.

25 posted on 02/01/2014 3:34:08 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: DoughtyOne

That is why the Christians from the “global south” nations are coming to the west and to America to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus back.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 3:35:52 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Viennacon

Please see post number 26. Thank-you.


27 posted on 02/01/2014 3:36:47 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Hojczyk

I hope you’re right, but Putin doesn’t impress when it comes to Iran. For heaven’s sake, the man has run interference with China for Iran. He must know the Islamic rebels would love nothing more than to detonate something in Moscow. And yet the man fronts for Iran. It just boggles the mind the stupidity of this.

If Iran gets the bomb, there will be half a dozen other nations in the Middle-East that will want one. It’s proliferation on steroids, and yet he hasn’t shown that he grasps this.

You know what, your premise is still sound. For all the wanker tactics of Russia’s leadership, we’re still both Caucasian races at least in part, and if we don’t get a grip and join forces in preparation for the future, there won’t be a future.


28 posted on 02/01/2014 3:42:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: gura
If Putin were a businessman in the US, he’d be a member of the Tea Party.

Actually, he'd be a crony capitalist, and Tea Partiers would be incensed about it.

29 posted on 02/01/2014 3:45:04 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Well Putin can look at how sucessful the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches that are united with Rome are .


30 posted on 02/01/2014 3:45:48 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Well, lets just hope it’s not too late.

The U. N. wants no religion at all. John Lenin was evidently their guru.

Imagine that...


31 posted on 02/01/2014 3:49:11 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Not surprised, considering that the UN is DYING.


32 posted on 02/01/2014 3:51:14 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Hojczyk

America keeps sinking further and further into the abyss of degeneracy and evil. It’s going to be quite a historical irony if it turns out that Putin/Russia becomes the last man standing, in terms of fighting for and preserving Western Civilization. Even moreso if drawn into conflict, with America now no longer the champion of democracy and freedom, but representing the forces of moral deviancy.

With America embracing fag-marriage, dope, open-borders, and pushing a poisonous culture of depravity, it’s no longer that surreal a proposition to imagine.


33 posted on 02/01/2014 3:51:54 PM PST by greene66
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To: Biggirl

From your mouth to God’s ears. I’m not of that mind on it.

I realize what a corrupted organization it is, but some things seem to have almost perpetual motion, and globalist Leftward Marxist ideology is probably one of the most self-sustaining things on planet earth.

P. T. Barnum had them pegged, whether he knew it or not with his truism, there’s a sucker born every minute.


34 posted on 02/01/2014 4:04:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: BwanaNdege
Which one?

All of the above, LOL. "I'm just trying to figure out Putin's motives in saying this."

Most of it is cynical posturing for the masses. Although I do believe his hatred of the EU, gays, Jews, and Muslims is on the level. He's an old-school fascist strongman like Mussolini.

Didn't mean to imply that you, personally were fawning over him. More of a general warning to social conservatives not to get taken in by his moral jingoism. He uses moralistic pretense to whip up public fervor against political enemies.
35 posted on 02/01/2014 4:26:56 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: BwanaNdege

Putin is not a good guy, but he is at least talking like one.


36 posted on 02/01/2014 4:56:21 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Hojczyk

My, my how times have changed. For the worse.


37 posted on 02/01/2014 5:05:15 PM PST by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: BwanaNdege

Perhaps he actually believes it. Maybe he is admitting what communism did to his country and he understands it isn’t good. The alternative is Christianity. Islam certainly isn’t the answer.


38 posted on 02/01/2014 5:09:51 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Hojczyk

39 posted on 02/01/2014 5:09:58 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: CowboyJay
"I'm just trying to figure out Putin's motives in saying this."

One reason, though certainly not the only one, might be that he realizes the demographic collapse that is likely to occur if Russians don't begin procreating and raising more children within families. Homosexuality, promiscuity, and rampant abortion are already having the effect of shrinking the Russian population, and Putin, for all of his tyrannical bent, understands this.

40 posted on 02/01/2014 5:41:08 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: DoughtyOne

Whoda thunk this would ever happen, huh?

A “former” KGB intelligence operative running the former Soviet Union, pointing the finger at us and sounding the warning bell.

These sure do be some “interesting times”...


41 posted on 02/01/2014 5:47:25 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Hojczyk

Bump


42 posted on 02/01/2014 5:55:25 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: NFHale

Isn’t that the truth. Some of our folks hear KGB, and automatically go into defense mode. I can understand it. I think we need to move beyond that a bit. We need Russia, and it needs us. Don’t go blindly to be sure, but there’s a storm a brewing, and we need Russian in our camp.

There was a time when we played China off against Russia.

I think it’s time to return the favor.


43 posted on 02/01/2014 6:03:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Russians are good at sponsoring their own Ice Breakers, and godless Obama is one of them.


44 posted on 02/01/2014 6:32:08 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Viennacon

The election Barry Sinclair finished the job.


45 posted on 02/01/2014 6:43:31 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: jsanders2001

Faux News has joined the rest of the liberal media in promoting sodomy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cssjBb3rYUA

Faux News’ Growing Pro-Homosexual Bias and the National
Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association
http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/Kinca...


46 posted on 02/01/2014 6:48:42 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: DoughtyOne
"There was a time when we played China off against Russia."

I'm not so sure either China or Russia will fall for that one again. Pretty sure those two countries are planning to tag-team us this time around.


47 posted on 02/01/2014 7:18:30 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: chajin
"One reason, though certainly not the only one, might be that he realizes the demographic collapse that is likely to occur if Russians don't begin procreating and raising more children within families."

That may be part of it. Putin is very... pragmatic.
48 posted on 02/01/2014 7:28:28 PM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Indeed. 2 + 2 will always equal 4 regardless of who says it and when it comes to the church and the importance of the natural family, Putin has declared(at least in this case) something as truthful as 2 + 2 = 4.


49 posted on 02/01/2014 7:42:58 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: chajin

Exactly. For all his faults, I believe Putin loves the nation he serves as president and is supporting policies that he thinks are in his nation’s best interest in the long run. Can we say the same about our current leader?


50 posted on 02/01/2014 7:44:56 PM PST by ReformationFan
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