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NYC School Cuts Gifted Program for "Lack of Diversity"
townhall.com ^ | Jan 31, 2014 | Christine Rousselle

Posted on 02/01/2014 5:09:20 PM PST by grundle

Another case of political correctness gone awry: a school in Brooklyn has decided to scrap its gifted and talented program after accusations that the program was not "diverse" enough.

Citing a lack of diversity, PS 139 Principal Mary McDonald informed parents in a letter that the Students of Academic Rigor and two other in-house programs would no longer accept applications for incoming kindergartners.

“Our Kindergarten classes will be heterogeneously grouped to reflect the diversity of our student body and the community we live in,” McDonald told parents in a letter posted on the photo-sharing site flickr and obtained by Ditmas Park Corner.

The school is roughly two-thirds African American or Hispanic. Asian and white students account for almost 30 percent of the student body. Exact ethnic breakdowns of the Students of Academic Rigor program were not given, although the program was described by some as being "overwhelmingly Caucasian."

This move infuriates me. It would be insane for a school to cut its special education program for developmentally disabled students due to a "lack of diversity" among those who need the services. Students on both ends of the special education spectrum — either gifted or developmentally delayed — need the specialized classes to reach their highest potential as a student. It would be insane to suggest someone with an IQ of 70 (the benchmark for mental retardation) should be grouped in the same classroom with students with an IQ of 100 and treated like everyone else, and it should be considered equally insane to suggest that students who have an IQ of greater than 130 (gifted) need to be in the same classroom as average students to fill some sort of "diversity" quota. That is not fair to both the above-average students and the average students. Studies have shown that grouping gifted children with their non-gifted peers has a negative effect on both parties.

This is a bad move by PS 139. I hope the principal reconsiders her decision, and I hope the parents of children enrolled in the gifted education program are able to successfully advocate for their kids.


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1 posted on 02/01/2014 5:09:20 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I’m sure the parents will solve that problem. All they need to do is remove the gifted kids from that school (that’s what private schools in liberal areas are for), and the remaining classes will be uniformly mediocre, as the principal wants.


2 posted on 02/01/2014 5:13:44 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: grundle

In a sane America Mary McDonald would be the laughingstock of the public school system.


3 posted on 02/01/2014 5:16:37 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Pollster1
the remaining classes will be uniformly mediocre, as the principal wants.

Don't you just hate these rat bastards?

4 posted on 02/01/2014 5:18:59 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: grundle

Great idea! Let’s bring everybody down instead of trying to bring everybody up! /s


5 posted on 02/01/2014 5:21:15 PM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: grundle

Couldn’t they find enough gay, lesbian, bisexual and transmutilated 5 year olds?


6 posted on 02/01/2014 5:23:55 PM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Paulie

Well, everyone knows you can easily tell the diversity of a class by looking at the children’s skin color!!

/sarc


7 posted on 02/01/2014 5:24:08 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: grundle

Yes...if a Black or Hispanic doesn’t come up with a cure for cancer then we’ll just all have to die of it. After all, not fair to let only certain types of people come up with life saving cures.

Really, it is just this ridiculous.


8 posted on 02/01/2014 5:28:16 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: grundle

Are they going to cut funding for basketball due to a lack of diversity?


9 posted on 02/01/2014 5:31:14 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: Pollster1
I’m sure the parents will solve that problem. All they need to do is remove the gifted kids from that school (that’s what private schools in liberal areas are for), and the remaining classes will be uniformly mediocre, as the principal wants.

You hit the nail on the head.
I had to deal with that as a college teacher. We had some African-American students who were academically superior in THEIR school but got to the big community college (100,000 students) and CRASHED & BURNED.

I had this one African-American young man who was writing his Master's thesis. He asked me to read and correct it.
There were 50 (fifty) grammar, punctuation and spelling errors in the FIRST paragraph of his thesis.

I TOLD him to his face that he WOULD get his Master's degree because of his skin color. I also said that those who accepted his INFERIOR work were doing him a HUGE disservice.
He would produce work for people and those people would be APPALLED. EVERYONE would know that he got his "master's" degree solely because of his color.
I could tell that he didn't believe me but he was too polite to disagree. By now, he knows that I was right. TOO little, TOO late for him.

10 posted on 02/01/2014 5:32:13 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: grundle

They lacked diversity because they didn’t have enough dumb kids.


11 posted on 02/01/2014 5:32:56 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: grundle

They did the same thing way back in the 70s, too. The program was called IGC (Intellectually Gifted Children), and they scrapped it because there weren’t enough minorities who qualified.

Same story, different day.

Regards,


12 posted on 02/01/2014 5:38:26 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Pollster1

Why not use the gifted kids to help tutor the rest, under constrained circumstances. It seems to be all about personal pride and personal status at the expense of blessings. That’s why black people are so allergic to “acting white.”


13 posted on 02/01/2014 5:40:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: grundle

The lib chickens is comin home to roost. They are so full of this diversity crap that they can’t help themselves.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 5:41:29 PM PST by certrtwngnut (')
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To: grundle
What?

You mean twirling a basketball on your finger doesn't count as "gifted"?


15 posted on 02/01/2014 5:49:14 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: All

they should close the federal reserve for the same reason.


16 posted on 02/01/2014 5:54:39 PM PST by willywill
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To: grundle

Why would the principal post the letter on Flickr?
That doesn’t add up to me.


17 posted on 02/01/2014 6:06:13 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Mark17

Another reason to homeschool.


18 posted on 02/01/2014 6:16:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: grundle

My son got caught in a whirlpool like this. More than gifted, he had to be in the “general population” when we moved from a state where he had been in the gifted classes. It was DEVASTATING for him. He was angry and depressed about it for a long time.


19 posted on 02/01/2014 6:23:26 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Lorianne
"Why would the principal post the letter on Flickr? That doesn’t add up to me."

I thought the same thing.

The GT programs are usually the best run public ed programs. It forces the teachers to reach higher. Maybe that's why it was canceled - it was just easier to cry "lack of diversity" to gain acceptance vs. the teachers were too lazy or unable to qualify for teaching GT.

20 posted on 02/01/2014 6:23:38 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: grundle

Being Smart is Racist!!!!

We need mandatory lobotomies for anyone who has a higher than 100 IQ and white!!!

Won’t Somebody think of the dumb minority Children!!!

When actually the problem is that the “Community leaders” of the minority communities have found out it is easier to grift on white guilt and do nothing but make matters worse than to expect and demand more of their group they represent to excel.

The Minority Children are not inherently or genetically dumb, but the attitude they have been taught from birth is what is deficient, it is a mind virus that tells them that it is always someone else’s fault they cannot learn and with no pressure to excel they slide.....

If a minority from the same group but who just got off the boat can excel then there is something grossly wrong with their native “community leader” counterparts....


21 posted on 02/01/2014 6:24:37 PM PST by GraceG
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To: grundle

Remember when society encouraged each student to do their best?
To reach their full potential, whatever that might be?

Now the government schools dumb it down to hold high performers back so they cannot do any better than the low performers.

It’s all about the liberals’ feelings, not what is best for individual students.


22 posted on 02/01/2014 6:39:43 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: grundle

That’s it! Destroy everybody because there’s a perception out there in the ozone somewhere, someone got slighted.


23 posted on 02/01/2014 6:40:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: grundle
it's for the chilrens...
24 posted on 02/01/2014 6:59:41 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: grundle

“Our Kindergarten classes will be heterogeneously grouped to reflect the diversity of our student body and the community we live in,”

What happens to diversity when the formerly gifted students forget how to read?


25 posted on 02/01/2014 7:13:29 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: grundle

these adults shouild never be able to teach anyone ever again.

they care far, FAR more about percentages and skin color, than the kids themselves.


26 posted on 02/01/2014 7:23:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle

Technological advancement is about to become extinct:/ Do we fight or do we stay in the shadows?


27 posted on 02/01/2014 7:31:40 PM PST by vadagator
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To: HiTech RedNeck

All that does to gifted kids is keep them from the opportunity to learn more new and more difficult material.


28 posted on 02/01/2014 7:46:28 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: cloudmountain

“We had some African-American students who were academically superior in THEIR school but got to the big community college (100,000 students) and CRASHED & BURNED.”

I saw this as a college freshman; I actually pitied those students. They quickly realized they didn’t understand some references made by professors, and the scales fell from their eyes; after a few months you didn;t see them anymore...

“I had this one African-American young man who was writing his Master’s thesis. He asked me to read and correct it.
There were 50 (fifty) grammar, punctuation and spelling errors in the FIRST paragraph of his thesis.”

I work with one of these; he doesn’t understand why he hasn’t been promoted, while managers understand it was a “gentleman’s masters”. He actually believed it was real, applied to (and got) a position in another area for which his plain bachelor’s degree should have been sufficient, and was let go within a year for incompetence. Very sad; probably believes it was race-related.


29 posted on 02/02/2014 4:19:26 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“these adults shouild never be able to teach anyone ever again. they care far, FAR more about percentages and skin color, than the kids themselves.”

They are simply foot soldiers of a machine that refuses to be honest with “preferred minorities”; they are ordered to work with percentages and skin color.


30 posted on 02/02/2014 4:21:13 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: GraceG

“The Minority Children are not inherently or genetically dumb, but the attitude they have been taught from birth is what is deficient, it is a mind virus that tells them that it is always someone else’s fault they cannot learn and with no pressure to excel they slide...”

It is the cultural vacuum in which they are bred; education is not a priority at all.

“If a minority from the same group but who just got off the boat can excel then there is something grossly wrong with their native “community leader” counterparts...”

West Africans and Caribbean immigrants are a great case in point, and they loathe those born here who don’t take advantage of the opportunities offered. The “community leaders” are simply grifters profiting from the “poverty industry”; they’ve taken their thirty pieces of silver. At this point the “poverty industry” has become such a source of jobs/income for so many people (the clients and providers) that it alone can elect presidents.


31 posted on 02/02/2014 4:31:32 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Pollster1
I’m sure the parents will solve that problem. All they need to do is remove the gifted kids from that school (that’s what private schools in liberal areas are for), and the remaining classes will be uniformly mediocre, as the principal wants.

Except for the parents of gifted kids who are unable to afford private school. THEIR kids will get an inferior education which does not address their potential.

The REAL purpose behind the elimination of gifted programs in public schools, is to handicap the smart-but-poor kids, and make them less able to compete with the children of the "ruling class" in the job market later.

32 posted on 02/02/2014 4:31:43 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: cloudmountain
I had this one African-American young man who was writing his Master's thesis. He asked me to read and correct it. There were 50 (fifty) grammar, punctuation and spelling errors in the FIRST paragraph of his thesis. I TOLD him to his face that he WOULD get his Master's degree because of his skin color. I also said that those who accepted his INFERIOR work were doing him a HUGE disservice. He would produce work for people and those people would be APPALLED. EVERYONE would know that he got his "master's" degree solely because of his color. I could tell that he didn't believe me but he was too polite to disagree. By now, he knows that I was right. TOO little, TOO late for him.

That's the whole point of Affirmative Action: to produce a group of people who know, deep in their hearts, that the only reason they have the jobs they hold, is because of AA, and the only hope they have of staying in the middle class is to make sure, by whatever means necessary, that the Democrats retain enough control to prevent even discussion of the abolition of affirmative action.

Making sure that smart black kids receive inferior eduction is part of the plan.

I knew a smart young black man. He grew up used to being the smartest guy in his peer group, and went to work in a place where he was smarter than most of the white guys he worked with.

Then he went to get his masters degree in engineering at UC Berkley, and found himself in a peer group where he was the LEAST smart. His ego shriveled up and he left in less than a year.

33 posted on 02/02/2014 4:43:39 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: grundle
Liberal progressives and the diversity police will not stand for schools that produce results. When your fish tank is a safe and beautiful place do you introduce pirhana’s to the neighborhood?
34 posted on 02/02/2014 4:54:17 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: uncommonsense

Maybe they couldn’t find teachers smart enough to run the gifted program. Education majors aren’t known for the stellar SAT, ACT, and GRE scores.


35 posted on 02/02/2014 5:00:05 AM PST by wintertime
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To: GraceG
It takes a great deal of ambition, serious planing, and financial sacrifice to make it into this county ( legally or illegally). People with those qualities have IQs that are at the very least average and likely well above average.

Those citizens whose ancestors were slaves are not of the same intellectual genetic pool. Question: Who was it most likely to be captured by the slavers? The smart? ...Or...The stupid?

36 posted on 02/02/2014 5:12:35 AM PST by wintertime
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To: PapaBear3625
I knew a smart young black man. He grew up used to being the smartest guy in his peer group, and went to work in a place where he was smarter than most of the white guys he worked with.
Then he went to get his masters degree in engineering at UC Berkley, and found himself in a peer group where he was the LEAST smart. His ego shriveled up and he left in less than a year.

Lol.
My mother and sister were 10 times smarter than me. My father was a world class athlete and a wonderful artist, charcoal and oil. My sister was also an artist. My mother became a lawyer at 60 years old.

I wasn't anything spectacular, just pretty good at many things. I ALWAYS knew my limitations. It was a good thing.

ONE thing I always knew: there is ALWAYS someone SMARTER. Always.

BTW, my husband was a mechanical engineer with his degree from Berkeley. He was SO smart. He said that AA was in force to get WOMEN into engineering jobs. It was pretty much of a failure until the engineering world INVENTED jobs for women: "urban" engineer, whatever that was. There are STILL so few women engineers. It just seems to be a male job. When women didn't make it in the engineering field, it was blamed on, you guessed it, male chauvinism. Lol. SUCH a pathetic thing, that ENTIRE affirmative action crap.
Cream always rises to the top; that's the law of physics. Works for people too.

37 posted on 02/02/2014 7:08:53 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: kearnyirish2
Very sad; probably believes it was race-related.

Let's hope that the young man had a grandmother who told him the TRUTH: lots of smart people around. MOST are white in this country because it is a white country, predominantly. Facts of life.

38 posted on 02/02/2014 7:10:53 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

“Let’s hope that the young man had a grandmother who told him the TRUTH: lots of smart people around. MOST are white in this country because it is a white country, predominantly. Facts of life.”

It is odd; he is foreign, reacts to race-pimps, but has nothing but contempt for American blacks.


39 posted on 02/03/2014 12:34:35 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
The young black man was American, but had his head STUFFED with the Alex Haley "back to Africa" crap; he felt African. AND he felt ENTITLED. I think that was worse!

He will have learned by now, so many years later, I hope. If not, he is living in the projects, getting welfare and producing MORE of him. Lord have mercy.

40 posted on 02/03/2014 4:14:01 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: metmom; wintertime

How about cutting those lavish school administrator salaries?


41 posted on 03/22/2014 3:02:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: JenB; Tired of Taxes

Here’s another one.


42 posted on 03/22/2014 3:08:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Clintonfatigued; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

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The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

43 posted on 03/22/2014 3:27:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: kearnyirish2

Very sad; probably believes it was race-related.

________________

It was race-related. Leftist scratched their itchy need for diversity at his expense. He was passed along to make them feel better.

I have four black kids. I have guarded assiduously against this issue.


44 posted on 03/22/2014 3:31:28 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Some kids may find themselves at the top of the class most of their lives. It’s important (IMHO) to knock them down a few pegs once in a while. ;-)

I’m serious. As a parent, I constantly tell my kids: “Remember, no matter how much you think you know, there’s always someone out there who knows more (or can do better).”

That probably sounds mean. But, I think these stories here of students losing their self-esteem and dropping out support my idea. If you never fail, and no one has ever criticized your work, then what happens the first time you do fail?


45 posted on 03/22/2014 5:22:50 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: cloudmountain

How did your mother do in her career? I’m thinking of finishing my degree, and I’m no spring chicken myself. That’s interesting that she became a lawyer at age 60.


46 posted on 03/22/2014 5:25:09 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: grundle
grouped to reflect the diversity of our student body and the community we live in,”

tsk tsk, she ended her sentence with a preposition.

No wonder she wants to end programs for the gifted.

47 posted on 03/22/2014 5:30:27 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why not use the gifted kids to help tutor the rest  surrender to the overt racial extortion, neglect their own studies/interests, and run the risk of being stabbed/shot/beaten/raped for their trouble.

They choose to hate on whitey 24/7/365 and continue to crap in their own mess kits ?

Fine !
Then let's re-segregate and let all the PC fascists explain the exponent on the original Bell Curvex that's appeared since this PimpOTUS managed to steal the office and infect the property.

Let those who want to get/give an education do so without being held back and bored witless by dumbed down classes and/or scared to death by irremediably feral slugs.

But stand well back, because the achievement 'gap' that would soon appear would be more akin to a seismic chasm ripping open.

48 posted on 03/22/2014 5:58:20 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat

This is Rip Van Winkle.


49 posted on 03/22/2014 8:42:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
How did your mother do in her career? I’m thinking of finishing my degree, and I’m no spring chicken myself. That’s interesting that she became a lawyer at age 60.

She did fine but she already had a retirement from her first job (teacher) and was doing law for interest. I did her billing because she let so many deadbeats NOT pay.
She MIGHT have made more but ... what can I say?

50 posted on 03/23/2014 5:41:57 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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