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End the NFL's "charity" tax break.
http://www.credomobilize.com/petitions/end-the-nfl-s-charity-tax-break?sp_ref=28041445.4.2093.e.9025.2&source=mailto_sp ^

Posted on 02/02/2014 5:37:21 AM PST by cambyses

The other day I got an email from a liberal friend of mine asking to sign up a petition to end the NFL's "charity" tax break. In the same day watching TV, - I believe was MCNBC- the commentator, interviewed some old famous football players, tray to convince the audience how danger is the American football. And to support his "concept", he kept quoting several times pres Obama :If a have a son I would not let him play pro football". Is that an attack of the liberals on the American football or I am too sensitive?


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1 posted on 02/02/2014 5:37:21 AM PST by cambyses
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To: cambyses

FWIW, I wouldn’t want my sons playing football; injuries they sustain as kids can be with them for the rest of their lives. If they were serious about it, I would consider it; I wouldn’t encourage it at all. You also have to be on top of things medically; I wouldn’t trust a team doctor at all.


2 posted on 02/02/2014 5:43:01 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: cambyses
I agree with Rush. Football will be gone in 10 years. My son did play football. It was a good thing, but he was second string on Varsity. Got a lot of playing time in JV. He wasn't injured nor were any of his classmates. It is hit or miss. No one at our high school has been seriously hurt. Fun game and I will miss it. PS-People in other countries stay up to the middle of the night to watch the Super Bowl. And soccer, which is the main world sport, is very rough........why do you think all the people who complain about football are silent on ‘headers’ in soccer? ‘American Football’ is uniquely American. As I said, I will miss it!
3 posted on 02/02/2014 5:50:23 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: cambyses
Follow the money. Obama saying "I wouldn't let my son play football" is followed by a request for donations to Democratic candidates.

Message: "Nice franchise youse got here. Be a shame to see anything happen to it."

4 posted on 02/02/2014 5:52:57 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: cambyses

I think these are two distinct issues. I think the fact the NFL, not the individual teams, get this “exemption” is a horrible misjustice. Let me see, the Commissioner earns 30 million a year? How is that worthy of an exemption from the organization paying tax? If they pay him, or her, such a salary, they can afford to pay some sort of tax IMO. What do they do with the remainder of the money?? I believe they file some kind of return, a 990 perhaps, so what portion of the return goes to salary and what percentage to “good works”. It is a sham IMO.

On the issue of football, yet there is and has been, a move to lessen the damage to individual players. Yes, a lot of individuals get hurt, some seriously, at an early stage in life and they carry these throughout life. On the other side, this is a voluntary activity. IMO, once you know the risks, or your parents do, and you are allowed to do so, I have no problem with it. How does this differ say from Skiing for instance? Anyone consider the number of broken bones and those killed hitting trees every year? If they ban football or make it unwatchable, how can they let skiing go uncontrolled or even swimming in your own pool? No, we don’t want the government sticking its nose in here. Not on my watch.


5 posted on 02/02/2014 5:53:06 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: cambyses

Seeking to end NFL’s charity tax break is a conservative act.


6 posted on 02/02/2014 5:57:20 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: cambyses
The NFL isn't a charity. It is a trade organization which is an expense for the teams. Any money it makes is distributed to the teams. Even if it was organized as a for profit company it would only make a minimal amount of money because the teams are the ones getting the profit. It isn't like McDonald's were both the parent company and franchises make profits.

The politicians thump their chests over this issue, but in the end not one extra dollar of tax will be extracted from football. Far better would be pressure on cities and states to not build new stadiums but force the teams to build them if the want them.

7 posted on 02/02/2014 6:00:06 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: cambyses

Don’t all pro (and college) sports still rely on 50% deductibility for tickets and luxury boxes?


8 posted on 02/02/2014 6:01:42 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: originalbuckeye

It would be great if football would be gone. Maybe the high schools could start to focus on education. Maybe the nation’s males could get out of their chairs and act like men.


9 posted on 02/02/2014 6:02:41 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Idiotic comment.

If not football, sports enthusiasts will find other outlets, and violence is one of the draws. Ever watched a hockey game? Heard of gladiators? This has been common since ancient times.

FWIW, football is often a money-maker for high schools, and a vehicle for keeping kids in school. In Texas, if you don’t pass all your classes, you are off the team until academics improve.

Spoken as the parent of three sons, all of whom played football, and who now have five engineering degrees among themselves and very good incomes. All products of Texas public high schools and universities.

You need to lighten up.


10 posted on 02/02/2014 6:09:40 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: cambyses
some old famous football players

Some old quarterback guy named Michael Nesmith or something. Did they talk to, what's his name, Joe Dakota?

11 posted on 02/02/2014 6:13:58 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: kearnyirish2

men are becoming too strong. Either because of better work out or because of Juicing. Some of these football players are huge. And Equipment cant keep up.
You can make all the rule changes you want. But all it takes is one cheap shot, or even a innocent but powerful hit and its lights out.


12 posted on 02/02/2014 6:18:03 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: cambyses

The NFL is a non-profit corporation.

The Real Super Bowl Question: Should The NFL Be A Nonprofit?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomwatson/2014/01/30/the-real-super-bowl-question-should-the-nfl-be-a-nonprofit/

The National Football League takes in more than $9.5 billion per year and is exempt from Federal taxes. As a nonprofit, it earns more than the Y, the Red Cross, Goodwill, the Salvation Army or Catholic Charities – yet it stands as one of the greatest profit-generating commercial advertising, entertainment and media enterprises ever created.

For the love of Richard Sherman, how can this be?

An arcane tax code change that eased the 1966 merger of the NFL with the old American Football League landed the new combined entity in section 501(c)6 of the tax code, designated as an industry association. The designation actually covers “chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade, and professional football leagues.” This does not cover the league’s 32 individual franchises, which also rake in billions.
(more at the link.)


13 posted on 02/02/2014 6:22:59 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

sorry....I do not remember their names. I was focused on the “message” the commentator try to spread.


14 posted on 02/02/2014 6:27:31 AM PST by cambyses
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To: kearnyirish2
FWIW, I wouldn’t want my sons playing football...

I (successfully) discouraged my boys from playing football. My reasoning was that they were of roughly average size, and the pileups are huge. Instead, they played hockey--where the damage is usually done one on one.

15 posted on 02/02/2014 6:30:00 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: cambyses

No problem. Just joking around.


16 posted on 02/02/2014 6:31:31 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: cambyses
As one should expect when dealing with a "liberal friend," your friend has the facts all wrong.

The NFL is not a "charity." It is a non-profit corporation that doesn't pay any taxes because all of the net income accrues to the individual teams that comprise the NFL, not the National Football League itself. The league derives just enough "income" from its member franchises to pay its own administrative costs.

17 posted on 02/02/2014 6:40:57 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Yorlik803

The players are getting bigger, and the physics just don;t work; a human body is just not designed to absorb those impacts repeatedly. The worst part of it is that is doesn’t have to be a cheap shot, just a run-of-the-mill play.


18 posted on 02/02/2014 6:42:12 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: cambyses

The federal government is infinitely more dangerous and destructive than football. And participation is not optional.


19 posted on 02/02/2014 6:47:07 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: cambyses

The federal government is infinitely more dangerous and destructive than football. And participation is not optional.


20 posted on 02/02/2014 6:47:08 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Two of mine asked to play soccer; it is big in the area (our town of 40K had three starters on the US team when we hosted the World Cup in ‘94) and many of their classmates play. I played a lot of street hockey when I was younger, but hockey seems to have diminished in popularity as demograhics change. Even when the NJ Devils won their first Stanley Cup, their “parade” was in the parking lot of the arena in the Meadowlands (where the Super Bowl is being played today); contrast this to the Rangers’ parade in NYC. I’d be much more open to them playing hockey, though it is an expensive sport (even for kids).


21 posted on 02/02/2014 6:49:26 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

I agree that football will end because of all those litigations.
The Northwestern college players are trying to unionize and asking to be paid. It may end college football as we know it as well.
If we asked any player if he would stop playing football, even with those debilitating injuries, if he considered the injuries vs the millions of dollars they get paid, they would probably chose pay.


22 posted on 02/02/2014 6:57:19 AM PST by americanbychoice3
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To: kearnyirish2

Yes - kids can get hurt with baseball bats playing baseball, knee injuries are more common in basketball than any sport, football players who don’t wear properly fitted equipment or maintain a good standard of fitness are more prone than otherwise to injuries, we’ve heard it all

and the nation, through the media has heard all these overblown hypes about teens in sports, which actual statistics do not support as “epidemics”,

but no matter, boys, with a lot of coaching from “modern” parents, and the media, and participating in all team sports in increasingly declining numbers, becoming a generation of couch-potatoe video game junkies in increasing numbers, failing in the character traits of pushing one’s self to accomplish what you are capable of, dedication to working with others to accomplish goals, understanding what it means when others are depending on you, achieving a sense of accomplishment and other attributes that team sports help build

it is a recipe that says team sports are “bad” because G-d forbid that boys develop the characters that have been expected of men

the actual average GPA of boys participating in team sports is higher than those who do not

and guess what, along with the media and modern parent disincentives toward boys participating in team sports, boys are not seeing their way forward to a career choice after highschool and enter college less frequently than girls

the entire education structure has mounted an attack against boys becoming the kind of men that boys are intended to become, it has become feminized and the results show it


23 posted on 02/02/2014 7:07:22 AM PST by Wuli
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To: cambyses

we need to revisit the whole matter of what a “tax exempt non-profit” organiztion should be limited to


24 posted on 02/02/2014 7:21:25 AM PST by Wuli
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To: KarlInOhio

Labor unions don’t pay any taxes, and they spend their money on getting Democrats elected and raising everybody else’s taxes. I don’t hear the outrage over that.


25 posted on 02/02/2014 8:54:19 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: cambyses; All

I think the more important question is why do professional athletes have to pay an additional state tax [some more hefty than others i.e. liberal states NY/NJ/CA] prorated for every sporting event they participate in out of state?

Everyday the states get more and more greedy and power hungry just like the feds. We need some devolution ~ return power to the people and governance at the local level.

Too bad hardly any elected or appointed official nowadays gives any real thought to their sworn allegiance to the constitution.


26 posted on 02/02/2014 9:23:55 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: americanbychoice3

“If we asked any player if he would stop playing football, even with those debilitating injuries, if he considered the injuries vs the millions of dollars they get paid, they would probably chose pay.”

Probably; considering the alternatives, who would blame them? Retiring before you reach middle age, with a lot of money?


27 posted on 02/02/2014 10:46:48 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Wuli

“the actual average GPA of boys participating in team sports is higher than those who do not”

The grades can be suspect due to coaches’ influence; we oldest pulled my oldest son from soccer because his grades were suffering (not to where he would be ineligible, but we aim higher than that). A lot of time required to play HS soccer (every weekday, and Saturdays - he’d come home exhausted).

Boys’ sports are as popular as ever in my town; there is little liberalism, just hard-working middle-class (mostly intact) families. Any attack on them isn’t taking root here...


28 posted on 02/03/2014 12:33:28 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

yes if a kid’s grades suffer because they cannot (or will not) do team sports (or some other “extra-curricular” activity) AND put enough into their academics, they should have to give up the activity.

that said, there is a lot of good that an awful lot of kids get out of team sports, I can even say there are some kids that are “missing out” and being under served by their lack of participation (or even join the “cheer leaders” or the band if their not into sports - get into any hardworking “team” activity with their peers in school)


29 posted on 02/03/2014 1:09:59 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I agree; I think sports in general are even more important today than in the past for kids because of their notorious inactivity and electronic interaction. I was on the rifle team in high school, but it took a lot less time than other sports (I worked part-time as well, with rifle practices as night and matches on weekends).


30 posted on 02/03/2014 1:12:29 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Mouton

There is no remainder of the money. Even if the NFL lost tax exemption it wouldn’t pay taxes because it makes no money. The structure is that the teams each kick in money to run the league office, just enough to pay the expenses. Any kind of revenue the league “gets” is actually team revenue divied up through various ratios. And the other sports follow a similar model.


31 posted on 02/03/2014 1:16:00 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: americanbychoice3
It may end college football as we know it as well.

Very possible..doubt they will remove affiliation with the schools...but the players may become paid professionals.

Northwestern...I can hear the cheer...Get the team in the Teamsters!

32 posted on 02/03/2014 1:20:36 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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