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Georgia island considers whether birds would be harmed if wind turbine is built
Greenfield Reporter ^ | 2/01/14 | MARY LANDERS

Posted on 02/02/2014 12:11:41 PM PST by Libloather

TYBEE ISLAND, Georgia — Endangered piping plovers blend into the background of sandy beaches like Tybee's, where these small shorebirds are known to visit.

First decimated by the use of their feathers in women's hats in the late 1800s, plovers have since suffered from having to compete with humans for beach space. Now only 60 or so breeding pairs remain in the smallest of their three known populations.

The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service has identified global warming and wind turbines as emerging threats to these birds.

(Excerpt) Read more at greenfieldreporter.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda21; birds; georgia; green; turbine; un21; wind
How about hiring leftists to crank the turbines by hand?
1 posted on 02/02/2014 12:11:41 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Why don’t liberals like nuclear power? Nuclear produces zero of the dreaded greenhouse gases.


2 posted on 02/02/2014 12:19:52 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Libloather

You mean doing actual work?

Don’t have time as they are much to busy protesting something/anything.


3 posted on 02/02/2014 12:21:49 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Per jojo biden, one word: “Fukashima sunami”. As far as the wind mills. Per hildebeast vs birds: “What difference at this point does it make?” They’ve already given them carte blanche to chop up those pesky eagles.


4 posted on 02/02/2014 12:23:09 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Libloather

Why do they have to use wind turbines, known to chop up birds? Why can’t they use tidal power, wave power or other forms of water power, since they have coastline and many rivers?


5 posted on 02/02/2014 12:26:07 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: Libloather

Why don’t they use non-bird harming turbines? There are several new designs for this.

http://www.ecochunk.com/3063/2012/10/13/windstrument-scalable-wind-turbine-is-safe-for-birds-too/


6 posted on 02/02/2014 12:27:54 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Libloather
Tybee would have to invest an estimated $134,000 in shipping and installation expenses but could save more than $400,000 in electricity costs over the 20-year life of the turbine.

Is it me, or do the savings seem a bit skimpy?

7 posted on 02/02/2014 12:30:31 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Libloather

I still have a plan in the works to reward homeless people
with a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich
to run in a human-sized hamster wheel to generate electricity.


8 posted on 02/02/2014 12:33:26 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The anti-nuke lefties are a gang of bed wetting hysterics, who are so afraid that that one atom of radioactive magic is going to melt their genes and give them cancer that they have strangled mankind’s greatest technological achievement.

We should do what France did, nuclearize electric power generation and electrify our transportation grid, so we will never have to kiss Saudi butt ever again.


9 posted on 02/02/2014 12:35:03 PM PST by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: Libloather

Of course the turbines will hurt birds. Bats, too. With the Gulf Stream current going right past the Georgia coast, you’d think they could generate some electricity just by putting a turbine in the sea.


10 posted on 02/02/2014 12:43:46 PM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Nuclear produces zero of the dreaded greenhouse gases.

Because they know every nuclear plant gives them less to bitch about.

11 posted on 02/02/2014 1:11:14 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: Berosus

Build wind turbines everywhere...Kill all birds...and bats. Who gave them permission top fly freely???? Furthermore, they don’t pay any taxes to support ongoing LIB/DIM lunacy.


12 posted on 02/02/2014 1:12:09 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Libloather

Put the turbines someplace where they will shred DemocRats and RINOs instead of birds. Then they can perform a dual function.


13 posted on 02/02/2014 1:18:24 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Libloather

Windmills have become an icon in the religion of leftism.


14 posted on 02/02/2014 1:23:27 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: EinNYC
Why do they have to use wind turbines, known to chop up birds? Why can’t they use tidal power, wave power or other forms of water power, since they have coastline and many rivers?

Chopped Fish?

/s

BTW, Popular Science, et. al., have run as many Tidal Power Future! stories over tha past 40 or 50 years as they have stories on Moller's Flying Car! in a Garage Near You - SOON!

15 posted on 02/02/2014 1:26:01 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The center 40% of a propeller or rotor does very little work. This design does not look very efficient.

The main problem with wind power is that it is inconsistent in most locales. Those that have reliable high wind speeds tend to be either unpopulated and thus no local demand for power or they are populated by the idle rich who delight in protesting the spoiling of their view of the mountains or the beach.


16 posted on 02/02/2014 1:31:44 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: Focault's Pendulum
"Tybee would have to invest an estimated $134,000 in shipping and installation expenses but could save more than $400,000 in electricity costs over the 20-year life of the turbine."
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Is it me, or do the savings seem a bit skimpy?

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On the face of it, yes. But, if one could borrow $150K@5% over 30yrs, then the loan would be $805/month & the electric "savings" would be $400K/20/12=$1,667/month.

So, it costs $805 a month to get $1,667 a month in savings.

That seems OK, unless there's more to the story [I didn't read the article, but am just going on the numbers presented.]
17 posted on 02/02/2014 1:49:11 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Nuclear produces zero of the dreaded greenhouse gases.

On the other hand, wind turbines don't melt into the ground and spew gobs of radioactive debris. Have you checked in on the Fukushima reactors lately?

Wind turbines are an ugly blight on the landscape and produce little power. They are useless.

Coal, gas, and hydroelectric power are really the best.

18 posted on 02/02/2014 3:01:39 PM PST by GingisK
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To: I want the USA back

A few years ago, the great windmill-tilter, Don Quixote, was popular among liberals. Never mind that he was also one of the greatest losers who never lived. I guess liberals don’t care for him anymore, now that they are into windmills.


19 posted on 02/02/2014 5:14:18 PM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: Libloather

And this is why even alternative-energy sources will fail.


20 posted on 02/02/2014 5:19:05 PM PST by jughandle
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To: Libloather

The Whump-Whump-Whump of the wind turbine will drive away the tourists by the car load.

Tybee Island is a great place and I’ve enjoyed myself there a couple of times but a huge Wind turbine is just going to make it a miserable experience after a few hours in it’s presence.


21 posted on 02/03/2014 9:55:46 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Libloather

Well, the Feds have already said “Screw the birds” for the next 30 years, so I imagine the state will be sued by environmentalists if they try to protect the birds by denying the wind farms.


22 posted on 02/03/2014 10:17:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Do you see an expense item missing from that $134,000 number? It’s way greater than $134,000.


23 posted on 02/03/2014 10:19:45 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Darteaus94025
That seems OK, unless there's more to the story

There's more to the story. There's *always* more to the story when the liberals are trying to sell us something.

Ask yourself: What's it going to cost to maintain these? The experience in CA is "A Lot."

Additionally, liberals always lie about the upfront costs, too. Well, I'm not going to just slap liberals for that, it's true for pretty much everything government does. Government always lies about the upfront costs. Projects almost never come in under budget, there are almost always overruns. There have been exceptions.

24 posted on 02/03/2014 10:25:23 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
Do you see an expense item missing from that $134,000 number? It’s way greater than $134,000.

I missed it. What is it?

25 posted on 02/03/2014 10:50:16 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Maintenance. Nowhere do they talk about that, and it’s way costlier than installation.


26 posted on 02/03/2014 11:09:55 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
Got it. But I wonder if that's factored in to the yearly operating costs before the savings.

Any way, it's an entirely stupid idea. Especially with nesting birds on sight.

27 posted on 02/03/2014 11:27:25 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Couldn’t be factored in, because it’s way more than the ~$113K mentioned. These wind turbines are incredibly expensive to maintain because of lubrication issues. The right oil doesn’t even exist, so without constant replenishment they die very quickly.


28 posted on 02/03/2014 11:36:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Any way, it's an entirely stupid idea. Especially with nesting birds on sight.

You'd think it was a stupid idea, but you have to remember they were willing to sacrifice the few remaining California Condors. If we lose that species, it will be 100% the fault of the wind farms. Of course, the environmental wackos will deny it, even with the broken bodies of the Condors literally at the feet of the turbines.

BTW, I misread your earlier post about factoring the maintenance costs into the "savings." I still maintain that'll never happen. The savings never, ever add up, but by the time there's an accounting the money's always spent, both the original funding and the bail-out bucks. And there will be a bail-out, upon this you can rely.

29 posted on 02/03/2014 3:19:45 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
The savings never, ever add up, but by the time there's an accounting the money's always spent, both the original funding and the bail-out bucks. And there will be a bail-out, upon this you can rely.

I not only agree but also see this project becoming financially nonviable within ten years of installation.

30 posted on 02/03/2014 3:52:05 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Ten years? You are most charitable, my FRiend. This thing’s in the toidy 10 seconds after rollout. Can you say, “bailout?”


31 posted on 02/03/2014 4:03:40 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Repeal The 17th

Convert all the male bovine excretion produced in DC to methane gas and you can power the whole world with it.


32 posted on 02/03/2014 7:25:33 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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