Skip to comments.Did Al Franken really cast the '60th vote' for Obamacare?
Posted on 02/02/2014 12:50:05 PM PST by Libloather
So who did cast the critical 60th vote for the Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare?
Facing a new election year, the GOP has an answer ready to go: U.S. Sen. Al Franken, the Minnesota Democrat whose 2008 recount victory over Republican Norm Coleman helped alter the balance of power in national politics.
With the rocky rollout of healthcare.gov, Minnesotans can expect to hear a lot about the symbolic 60th vote; for example, U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann recently penned an opinion piece calling Franken a leading cheerleader and the 60th vote for Obamacare.
But in a body of 100 senators, Franken is hardly the only contender for the distinction. Not to mention that in the end, the essential finishing touches of the health care law passed the Senate thanks to some tricky legislative maneuvering with a mere 56 votes, not 60.
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The blame for bad legislation should fall to everyone who voted for it not just the ‘first’ or ‘last’ or ‘thirty-second’ or whatever.
...doesn’t really matter....THE RATS OWN ODUNGOCARE!...don’t fall for the BS line the media is willing to give up a few races to save the senate....DON’T LET THEM PIN IT ON A FEW......not one of them voted against it!
“Give him the boot as well. “
I know just where I’d like to plant that boot! See,,,, I’ve got these really pointy-toed cowboy boots that have decorative metal boot tips that match my collar tips. They’d be quite effective!
Every Democrat cast the deciding vote.
I have never been able to believe that any group of voters in this country could be so stupid as to vote for and elect Al Franken to the U.S. Senate. It should have never happened . There was no need for a re-count , Franken lost . That we as a people keep bending over for this aggressive lib-progressive BS is unbelievable . make um fear , make um fear . If we do not , we lose our country forever .
Al Franken not only voted for Obamacare, but he failed to give me a decent response to a letter asking him where he stood on the religious freedom issue. He skirted that part entirely.
So, you could also make a case of Al helping the administration beating up on the Little Sisters of the Poor. It is just as appropriate, iMHO.
Going to be tough to get rid of Franken
Senator John Cornyn, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, first welcomed Mr. Franken to the Senate, but added: The implications of this Senate race are particularly significant because the Democrats will now have 60 votes in the Senate. With their super-majority, the era of excuses and finger-pointing is now over. With just 59 votes, Senate Democrats in recent months have passed trillion-dollar spending bills, driven up Americas debt, made every American taxpayer a shareholder in the auto industry and now want Washington to takeover Americas health care system. Its troubling to think about what they might now accomplish with 60 votes.
Now that he’s been a Senator, Al can’t go back to being a comedian, since he was not to begin with.
There were two time periods during the 111th Congress when the Democrats had a 60 seat majority:
* From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Colemans challenges came to an end) to August 25, 2009 (when Ted Kennedy died, although Kennedys illness had kept him from voting for several weeks before that date at least); and
* From September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after defeating Martha Coakley);
* For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux
COleman was a potential 60th vote for cloture on a bill for a coherent energy policy.. Way back in 2005,, he lost a lot of votes, and his UN oil for food investigation was a lot of steam and little starch.
Minniesoda has lost its bearings and more than a few screws are loose on the voting populace and their candidates in both parties.
I agree. However, IMO the single most important vote was that of
Arlen Specter Anal Sphincter. The GOPe backed that RINO over Toomey. That vote made all the difference. Moral: Never trust a RINO.
As I recall, Colman was winning until they found some uncounted ballots in the trunk of someones car or something.
Then there was the problem of convicted felons voting...
“...any group of voters...could be so stupid as to vote for and elect Al Franken to the U.S. Senate.”
Easy. They’re the same ones who elected Jesse Ventura their governor.
it was a total travesty
There comes a time when city hall needs to be burned down .
When all the scum lawyers that force this stuff thru on our society need to be made to feel totally unsafe in their homes.
This goes on because we let it go on . So whose fault is it anyway ? The perps or the victims ?
you would think MN was the first state to legalize MJ
Well, I live in one of the two that did and I’m certainly not proud of that.
Cast the 60th vote?
That could be said of every democrat.
If any one of them had mustered up the sense and guts to vote no that would have been the missing 60th vote.
Every pos who voted for that tyranny cast the 60th vote. They all need to be flushed out of office.
Let’s not forget Bart Stupak. The jerkwad from MI.
Every democrat in the senate cast the deciding vote.
Do not forget who the “mother” of Obamacarw is...Olympia Snowe (R-ME) who was the critical vote moving it out of a committee...the last place it could be stopped before a Democrat controlled congress voted for it. She pushed it Down the slippery slope and started it on its way...thank you Sen Snowe!
The democrat people’s victory army has 3 things we lack: Special Operations, Artillery and Air Support.
That is Academia, Hollywood and The Media.
Think about it and you will understand that we have nothing measurable on our side except reality and hard knocks.
Those Minnesotans who voted for Al because the professors that taught them would have, the movies and TV shows they watched let them know Republicans weren’t cool and the media forever reporting biasedly against Republicans means that now they must face our weapons of reality and hard knocks — expensive policies, huge deductibles, no more family doctor and death panels for Grannie. Hey, we told ‘em so...
Let them suck it for awhile. You reap what you sow.
That's half of it.
The other half is that the rats will vote for any rat candidate, no matter how bad or crazy.
Many repubs sit on their hands and stay home on election day if the repub candidate isn't EXACTLY what they want.
In effect, "party pouters", who, by their stupidity, cause the rat to be elected.
There was also the Minnesota version of Ross Perot in the race...neither Coleman nor Franken had close to 50% of the vote.
I’ve been trashed on here many times but I’ll say it again:
Democrats will coalesce around 70% agreement.
Conservatives will shred each other over the last 10%.
Some people should never be elected to office. Al Franken is one of them! Reap what you sow Mn!
It’s just too bad we have to suffer with you because of your selection!
Reap what you sow would be fine if he was governor.
Unfortunately this clown is deciding laws for all of us.
To be fair to Minnesota, anybody with two functioning brain cells know he stole the election...rather than being elected
Why they didn't tar and feather him for stealing it, is another story...
more to the point, did Al Franken really get voted into office in the first place?
Al Franken wrote some of Charlie Chaplin’s funniest stuff.
That's BS. We've voted for these RINOS that shit on us every chance they get and side with Dems. See my post above about Judas Specter. Look at how the current crop are dying to pass amnesty. With RINOs like these, who needs 'rats?
Do they still have roll calls any more?
Some history books say that Edmund Ross of Kansas was the 19th and crucial vote to acquit Andrew Johnson. Of course he was not last alphabetically - Saulsbury (D-DE), Trumbull (D-IL), Van Winkle (Unionist-WV), and Vickers (D-MD) voted to acquit. He was the only Republican to vote to acquit.
You could just as easily say that Vickers vote was the 19th.
Maybe you have, but I know many, particularly religious folks, who stay home if a candidate isn't anti-abortion.
Here goes the media shuck ‘n jive.
Throw them ALL out. And it’s better than they deserve. Everyone who voted for that dreck is a literal murderer.
There is no 60th vote. Anyone who voted for it could have been the 60th vote. Reality is that all 60 were the 60th vote.
ALL of them were the 60th vote.
never, ever vote third party unless that third party had got a great shot at unseating a rat.....unless he is ahead in the polls or nearly ahead...
but voting for someone who has no chance in hell of being elected is just handing the vote to the rat...it happens all the time and it is killing our country...
people should buck up and do the right thing even if it hurts...
Pretty much, They did not have 60 till he was sworn in.
3 precincts in the Iron Range vastly closed the margin.
Every RAT cast the 60th vote for Obamacare, since had any one of them not voted for it the bill wouldn’t have passed.
Now, will Minnesota Republicans nominate a conservative who can beat Franken instead of some Paultard who won’t break 35% (like they did in 2012 against Klobuchar)?
Straw man argument from a demagogue and Partisan Media Shill — the whole screed is merely Bachmann-bashing.
“For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux”
Actually, you don’t need 41, the winning side needs 60.
For example, when neither Coleman or Franken was in office due to court challenges so the democrats had 59 and pubs 40 but even though the pubs did not have 41, the dems did not have 60 and could not proceed.
If all senators are present and voting the minority needs 41 to stop something and the majority needs 60.
So when Martinez resigned, it made no difference since the dems did not have 60.
EXCERPT Labor leaders warned that the White Houses continued refusal to help them WRT the ACA is dampening union support for Democratic candidates in 2014 midterm elections.
Leaders of two major unions, including the first to endorse Obama in 2008, said they have been betrayed by an administration that wooed their support for the 2009 legislation with promises to later address the peculiar needs of union-negotiated insurance plans that cover millions of workers.
After dozens of frustrating meetings with Obama and White House officials, a number of angry labor officials say their members are far less likely to campaign and turn out for Democratic candidates in the midterm elections.
We want to hold the president to his word: If you like your health-care coverage, you can keep it, said Donald D. Taylor, president of the union that provided a crucial boost to Obama by endorsing him just after Hillary Rodham Clinton had won the NH primary.
JUST A REMINDER UNIONISTS---here's the list of Democrats who promised you could keep your plan.
As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature healthcare plan---ultimately enacted, by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote, into the "Affordable Care Act"
QUOTING 2008 OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if youve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All Im going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. Youll still have choice of doctor. Repeated over and over ---- with the promise that every American family would be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.
Significantly, Obamba NEVER corrected lock-stepping Democrats, all reading from the same Democrat talking points, all of repeating the same Democrat promises---over and over again.
LOCK-STEPPING PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1930-40's ERA EUROPE Obama And The Dems marching in lockstep. The persistent Dumbocrat drumbeat ---- in obeisance to Obama ---- kept ringing reassuringly in our ears: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it. (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)
SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: We believe and we stand by this if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward. (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): If you like your insurance, you keep it. (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)
SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it. (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)
SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it. (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)
SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term grandfathered plans. If you have a plan you like existing policies you can keep them. we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in. (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)
THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve. (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)
SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want. (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)
SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you. (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)
SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, were going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want. (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)
SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it (Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)
SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)
SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change. (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)
SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): People who have insurance theyre happy with can keep it We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance theyre happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage. (Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired, National Journals Congress Daily, 6/18/09)
SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): If you like the insurance that you have, youll be able to keep it. (MSNBCs Hardball, 12/16/09)
SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): [I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have. (CNNs Newsroom, 10/22/09)
SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): If you like what you have, you get to keep it Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans wont have to change. If you like what you have, you get to keep it, he said. (Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says, The Record, 6/19/09)
SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): [E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it. (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)
SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it. (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)
SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): I want people to know, the Presidents promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep. (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)
SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it. (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): If you have coverage you like, you can keep it, says Sen. Sanders. (Sick And Wrong, Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)
SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it My understanding is that if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. under every scenario that Ive seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it. (Sen. Shaheen, Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire, Accessed 11/13/13)
SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairmans remark is is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. Thats a strong commitment. Its clear in the bill I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. Thats the bottom line for me. (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)
SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): If you like your coverage, youll be able to keep it, Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger. (Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care, The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)
SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It wont. If you like your current plan, you can keep it. (What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress, Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)
SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): ..it honors President Obamas programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything. (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)
Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) the 60th vote on Obamacare: "people who are happy with their current plan, wouldn't need to change it."
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