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MILLER: South Carolina kicks back ban on gun concealed carry in restaurants
The Washington Times ^ | 28 January, 2014 | Emily Miller

Posted on 02/02/2014 4:15:38 PM PST by marktwain

Gun-rights activists believe they will see the pendulum swing back in their direction this year.

President Obama and his gun-control buddies were successful in pushing through new restrictions on the Second Amendment in eight states last year.

But now, South Carolina has bucked the trend and moved to strengthen the right to bear arms.

Gov. Nikki Haley is expected to soon sign a bill, which passed the General Assembly on Thursday, that allows for concealed carry in bars and restaurants. Gun owners will still have to have a legal permit and not drink alcohol.

This is the first gun-related state legislation to be sent to a governor this year.

Doug Mayer, the governor’s spokesman, said that she “will sign any bill that doesn’t restrict the rights of guns owners.”

South Carolina was one of only two states — the other being Louisiana — that outright banned guns in places that served alcohol.

And, of course, the District of Columbia does not recognize any carry rights outside the home.

(Excerpt) Read more at p.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist
Another "blood in the restaurant" prediction goes bust.
1 posted on 02/02/2014 4:15:38 PM PST by marktwain
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--for most purposes--South Dakota doesn't permit much bar or restaurant carry--from the list of restricted places--

1. An establishment licensed to serve alcoholic beverages on the premises if the establishment derives more than 50% of its sales from alcoholic beverages

2 posted on 02/02/2014 4:30:08 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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3 posted on 02/02/2014 4:44:34 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: rellimpank

That’s essentially the same rule as TX so I’m not seeing how that’s “not much bar or restaurant carry.” It’s auditable by the state alcoholic beverage control people. Bottom line, no worries if you’re headed out to Chili’s or Outback or Red Lobster or etc.


4 posted on 02/02/2014 4:46:46 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: marktwain
This has been the law in Ohio for over a year now. "Restaurant carry." so long as you're not drinking, and have a concealed carry permit, you can carry in an establishment that serves liquor. There have been no problems.
5 posted on 02/02/2014 5:10:13 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: marktwain

Can’t find out when she is signing it and when it takes effect, anybody know?


6 posted on 02/02/2014 5:14:07 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

I have been looking myself. I have not found it either.


7 posted on 02/02/2014 5:17:35 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
While the restaurant carry portion of the bill was the most talked about change there are roughly 10 other changes to the law. Some of the changes like the ability to submit the initial permit application online, and notice 30 days before permit expiration amounts to some work for S.L.E.D. Also the actual permit exam must be changed as it contains questions that will no longer be relevant once the bill (SB308) becomes law.

As a CWP instructor I've been keeping an eye on all of this as I teach a class every week.

My guess, and it's just a guess is that Governor Haley is waiting until S.L.E.D. is ready before signing the bill into law.

8 posted on 02/02/2014 6:29:36 PM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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To: rellimpank

1. An establishment licensed to serve alcoholic beverages on the premises if the establishment derives more than 50% of its sales from alcoholic beverages

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Apparently, borrowed from Texas State law.

My take: Another idiotic, unConstitutional restriction on our God-given right to carry. Can Mr Patterson (running for Lt Gov here, and the author of the original concealed-carry law here in Texas) please tell me the difference between carrying in an establishment that makes only 50% of its sales from alcohol and one that makes 51%? (I didn’t think so.)

They allowed guns — open carry, no less! — in bars on “Gunsmoke.” It is the American way. ;-)

Full disclosure: I support Dan Patrick for Lt Gov, by the way!


9 posted on 02/02/2014 6:44:33 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: man_in_tx

I mean, c’mon, if a troublemaker walked into the Long Branch Saloon a-fixin’ to slap leather, wouldn’t he plan on bein’ as stone cold sober as a judge, with all his gunfightin’ skills at their highest stage of tune and thus his chances of victory also at their highest? He probably would-a practiced his draw that mornin’ outside of town, before moseyin’ on in.

“A drunken gunfighter is a weaker opponent.”

;^)


10 posted on 02/02/2014 6:53:47 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

I mean, c’mon, if a troublemaker walked into the Long Branch Saloon a-fixin’ to slap leather, wouldn’t he plan on bein’ as stone cold sober as a judge, with all his gunfightin’ skills at their highest stage of tune and thus his chances of victory also at their highest? He probably would-a practiced his draw that mornin’ outside of town, before moseyin’ on in.

“A drunken gunfighter is a weaker opponent.”

;^)

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Well said! :-)


11 posted on 02/02/2014 7:09:10 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: man_in_tx

I mean, how drunk was anyone at the O.K. Corral in 1881? Everyone there was playing for keeps.


12 posted on 02/02/2014 7:13:53 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

I mean, how drunk was anyone at the O.K. Corral in 1881? Everyone there was playing for keeps.

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Spot on!


13 posted on 02/02/2014 7:50:26 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: marktwain

Armed citizens can really ruin a criminals digestion. In 1964, Richmond, CA, my older brother & his business partner were having dinner in a restaurant after work.

A robber entered, and showed a weapon to the cashier; bro & partner both retrieved handguns: one from their cash box, and one concealed under a jacket. They were joined by 3 or 4 other ARMED businessmen also eating, in confronting & detaining the robber.

CC was not exactly legal, but the laws of the time allowed open carry, and the arriving cops only saw openly carried weapons and never questioned where/how they had been carried earlier. The weapon my brother used had been a gift from the police department for his help in a sting operation.


14 posted on 02/02/2014 10:40:26 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: BattleFlag

Thank you for the informative post.


15 posted on 02/03/2014 4:07:56 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: man_in_tx

“A drunken gunfighter is a weaker opponent.”

Most gunfights did not happen as depicted on the fantasy of the television or movie western.

There are some people who are scary good with guns when drunk, at least one western gunfighter, Ben Thompson, got into virtually all his gunfights when drunk, and was incredibly effective. He killed at least seven men that were recorded. Four of those were pretty nearly straight out murders, all of them after the war between the states.


16 posted on 02/03/2014 4:38:11 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

You are quite welcome. I will post any update I see and a synopsis of the changes once the deal is done.


17 posted on 02/03/2014 4:39:52 AM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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To: marktwain

There are some people who are scary good with guns when drunk, at least one western gunfighter, Ben Thompson, got into virtually all his gunfights when drunk, and was incredibly effective. He killed at least seven men that were recorded. Four of those were pretty nearly straight out murders, all of them after the war between the states.

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Thank you for the history. Amazing account!


18 posted on 02/09/2014 1:21:43 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: man_in_tx

You are welcome.

It is from “Gun Fighters” by Colonel Charles Askins, 1981 NRA books, pages 93-103.


19 posted on 02/09/2014 3:13:02 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

You are welcome.

It is from “Gun Fighters” by Colonel Charles Askins, 1981 NRA books, pages 93-103.

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Excellent resource, no doubt! Thank you, again.


20 posted on 02/09/2014 8:28:55 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: marktwain

It’s law. Governor Haley signed the bill today.


21 posted on 02/11/2014 11:47:50 AM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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