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Approving Keystone XL could be the biggest mistake of Obama's presidency
The Guardian ^ | January 31, 2014 | Michael Mann

Posted on 02/02/2014 6:33:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A State Department report fails to take into account the full climate impacts of Keystone XL. Who is Obama protecting?

I have made my position on the Keystone XL pipeline quite clear. Approving this hotly debated pipeline would send America down the wrong path. The science tells us now is the time that we should be throwing everything we have into creating a clean 21st century energy economy, not doubling down on the dirty energy that is imperiling our planet.

Now that the State Department has just released a final environmental impact report on Keystone XL, which appears to downplay the threat, and greatly increases the odds that the Obama administration will approve the project, I feel I must weigh in once again.

The simple fact is this: if Keystone XL is built, it will be easier to exploit fossil fuel reserves large enough to drastically destabilize the climate. A direct pipeline to refineries and global markets makes the business of polluting the atmosphere that much cheaper and easier.

The only truly accurate examination of the pipeline would include a full cost accounting its environmental footprint. It needs to take into account how much energy is consumed in refining and transporting the crude from oil sands. It must acknowledge that the pipeline would lower the cost and raise the convenience of extracting and exporting the incredibly carbon-intensive deposits of oil.

There are two main issues at stake in the Keystone XL decision: path dependency and US leadership. Path dependency is the term use to describe the fact that once a policy is put into place, it then constrains future options to those within that policy framework. More simply, the choices we make now determine what choices we get to make in the future....

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; energy; hockeystickmann; keystonexl; michaelmann; oil
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1 posted on 02/02/2014 6:33:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jerkoff Alert....


2 posted on 02/02/2014 6:34:57 PM PST by freebilly
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Consider the source: The Guardian is a Marxist rag.


3 posted on 02/02/2014 6:36:21 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He hasn’t approved it. And is this hockey stick Mann saying this?


4 posted on 02/02/2014 6:37:11 PM PST by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More “global warming” hysteria from a enviroloony wing nut.


5 posted on 02/02/2014 6:37:29 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The science tells us now is the time that we should be throwing everything we have into creating a clean 21st century energy economy, not doubling down on the dirty energy that is imperiling our planet.

LOL
6 posted on 02/02/2014 6:37:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I only had a brain.


7 posted on 02/02/2014 6:37:41 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Michael Mann?
You've got to be kidding me.

I thought he had been discredited and joined Michael Moore producing fantasy films.

8 posted on 02/02/2014 6:37:49 PM PST by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suppose we should follow Germany’s path?


9 posted on 02/02/2014 6:38:53 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: man_in_tx

“Consider the source: The Guardian is a Marxist rag.”

I;ve been saying it more than a THOUSAND times. Funny Freepers still use this source when during the 2003 Iraq war they pretty much cheered for every American soldier’s death and the editors even tried to “arrest” Dick Cheney in the UK.


10 posted on 02/02/2014 6:39:16 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: publius911

Is michael mann hospitalized in a mental institution? He should be.


11 posted on 02/02/2014 6:39:31 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the jerk from Penn State (Mr. Hockey Stick) that is suing Mark Steyn.

He’s an ideologue.


12 posted on 02/02/2014 6:39:40 PM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The simple fact is this: if Keystone XL is built, it will be easier to exploit fossil fuel reserves...”

There’s the key part of the statement, from Mr. Fraudulent Hockeystick.


13 posted on 02/02/2014 6:40:06 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Mann suing someone for having “called him out?”


14 posted on 02/02/2014 6:40:27 PM PST by vette6387
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep Solar power going to heat all those homes in Obammy land....and you get a free bag of tofu and bean sprouts with every kilowatt!/s


15 posted on 02/02/2014 6:41:01 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: publius911

He’s suing Mark Steyn for saying mean things about him


16 posted on 02/02/2014 6:41:34 PM PST by digger48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Approving Keystone XL could be the biggest mistake of Obama's presidency

I agree. We should do all we can to remain as dependent as we can on Arab oil. /s

17 posted on 02/02/2014 6:41:35 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: tips up

Yes...that Mann.


18 posted on 02/02/2014 6:41:37 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Michael Mann makes Al Gore look like a genius.


19 posted on 02/02/2014 6:41:45 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see that Michael Manniac has not given up playing hokey with his broken stick.(sic)


20 posted on 02/02/2014 6:42:39 PM PST by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Q: How do you tell if something REALLY is good for America?

A: 0bama rejects it!

21 posted on 02/02/2014 6:43:10 PM PST by Obama_Is_A_Feminist
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To: freebilly

Bingo. All the premises are wrong. They would like us to revert to a society where we go out looking for fuel to burn. These people are truly mind numbed robots following a pied piper they know nothing about.


22 posted on 02/02/2014 6:43:19 PM PST by Fungi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK, Mr. Hockey Stick Mann..

(.. and I might add ‘shove it!’)


23 posted on 02/02/2014 6:45:11 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The "dirty energy that is imperiling the planet" is the low-grade coal burned every day by hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers to cook food.

Go ahead, Mann. Yell at Xi Jinping. Get him on board with your scam. :)

24 posted on 02/02/2014 6:46:15 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Fungi

Mind numbed? Not so sure, at this level. “Hateful of people” seems more like it.


25 posted on 02/02/2014 6:46:23 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: max americana

I;ve been saying it more than a THOUSAND times. Funny Freepers still use this source when during the 2003 Iraq war they pretty much cheered for every American soldier’s death and the editors even tried to “arrest” Dick Cheney in the UK.

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Agreed: Good points all!

However, unfortunately, some of us may just keep using it because — despite all this? — it can sometimes still be better than this Administration’s kept domestic press.


26 posted on 02/02/2014 6:46:38 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: lepton
“The simple fact is this: if Keystone XL is built, it will be easier to exploit fossil fuel reserves...”

Well yeah, duh.

27 posted on 02/02/2014 6:47:06 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Guardian,What a surprise.
28 posted on 02/02/2014 6:47:46 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dr. Michael Mann just served up an enormous gift to his arch nemesis, Mark Steyn. His lawsuit against Steyn for defamation required the perpetuation of the myth that he is but a simple scientist toiling away in his laboratory trying to make sense out of the mystery of the universe.

He now demonstrates beyond doubt that he is a political activist jousting as a public figure in the public arena of politics and opinion. Such persons are not shielded from public criticism and ridicule as are ordinary citizens.

But, discovery in his case move ahead. Should prove interesting.


29 posted on 02/02/2014 6:48:03 PM PST by centurion316
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To: max americana

” The Guardian is a Marxist rag.””
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It is the New York Slimes of London.


30 posted on 02/02/2014 6:48:45 PM PST by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Michael Mann is Distinguished Professor of Meteorology at Penn State University.

That explains why he’s an idiot.


31 posted on 02/02/2014 6:50:51 PM PST by maddog55
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To: man_in_tx

Even better it is the Hockey Stick “Hide the Decline” buffoon Michael Mann.


32 posted on 02/02/2014 6:51:04 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: freebilly

We’re also seeing an oil rail car accident every few weeks, with one small town essentially blow up off the map.
That has an environmental impact, too. Pipelines are safer and more controlled. And world safety goes up if we aren’t giving Muslim extremists more money to support Jihad.


33 posted on 02/02/2014 6:53:10 PM PST by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
..if I only had a brain...
34 posted on 02/02/2014 6:53:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey Michael Mann, someone is knocking at your door...


35 posted on 02/02/2014 6:54:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Michael Mann the famous Hockey Stick fraud author.

Pray America is Waking


36 posted on 02/02/2014 6:55:00 PM PST by bray (http://www.braylog.com/id47.html)
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To: max americana
it's not used as a source so much as it's used to see what the enemy is thinking/their talking points are...
37 posted on 02/02/2014 6:57:06 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, it’s that guy! LOL, never mind, Obamacare will prove to be the biggest mistake of Obama’s presidency, unless it gets trumped by amnesty, the biggest mistake of Boehner’s speakership.


38 posted on 02/02/2014 6:57:50 PM PST by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The science tells us now is the time that we should be throwing everything we have into creating a clean 21st century energy economy”

The jokes make themselves.


39 posted on 02/02/2014 6:58:13 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sing “Hide the Decline” along with Michael Mann - http://youtu.be/WMqc7PCJ-nc


40 posted on 02/02/2014 6:58:39 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: freebilly

Mark Styn was right about this guy
Just saying
Freegards
LEX


41 posted on 02/02/2014 7:02:01 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: tips up
This hockey stick maker has as much credibility as his buddy Al Gore. Canada is going to pump this oil out of the ground no matter what America does with the pipeline. This enviro-activist would rather see it shipped overseas to China or shipped on the railways of America. I wonder how much the house of saud contributes to his hockey stick making business?
42 posted on 02/02/2014 7:04:21 PM PST by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Someone needs to give the Earth Worshipers their own nation or even region like the EU where they can exist and suffer the consequences of their bad choices and policies.

We have several problems to address and these idiots have no functional or practical answers. They only have junk science based demands. Their answer to the internal combustion engine is battery powered cars. Despite the fact the biggest cheerleaders of these cars are also in states where the power grid is breaking down due to age, overload, and enviromental non expansion policies they still think electricity comes from the earth fairy.

You try to reason with them with logic but you can't. They don't understand logic nor do the possess common sense. We have three main power sources for electrical power production. The first was hydroelectric. Many dams are aging built as early as the 1930's and designed for 50-75 years. Hydroelectric systems floods vast acres of land but do provide several other benefits off setting this including recreation/tourism and public utility water. They aren't cost efficent as such and account for a low percentage of all power generated.

Next is Coal Fired Steam Plants. They have been a steady reliable work horse and up to the last decade or so of outrageous EPA overreach a cheaper way to produce power. The Green Moonbats want them all gone. No discussion, no reasoning, no acceptable practical economical replacement even in the works except for nuclear reactor steam turbine power generation. You really see the Green Moonbats scream, bloody murder over that. Every Green Moonbat is an expert on nuclear power.

Our nations economy needs this pipeline. Almost everything we consume, 99% of the good we buy are hauled by trucks. That will not change. Not even a rail system upgrade can change that stone cold fact.

Their answer is their inefficient favorites such as solar and wind power generation. Not reliable, non storable for commercial applications, and they create more issues environmentally than they solve.

You want to see cheaper prices on goods especially food? LOWER THE COST OF DIESEL FUEL BY RAISING AVIABILITY & PRODUCTION. The ones running for office who's platform is the defunding and even better the closing down of the EPA will get my vote.

43 posted on 02/02/2014 7:04:48 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: man_in_tx
. . . it can sometimes still be better than this Administration’s kept domestic press.

As the saying goes, even Pravda criticized the Politboro once in a while. Not our lapdog media.

44 posted on 02/02/2014 7:05:16 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: tips up
And is this hockey stick Mann saying this?

I think this may be the guy who is trying to take advantage of having those who expose bad science shusshed because he is suing a couple of them. It doesn't make the science better, and it doesn't change the fact that the crude will be going down a pipeline to somewhere--whether that be America where pollution is regulated, or the far East where is isn't so much regulated.

The fallacy that not producing CO2 in North America somehow carries more weight than not producing CO2 somewhere else, flies in the face of the allegation that CO2 is the problem in a global system. If CO2 was the problem, (or if it was a problem), then the production of CO2 anywhere on the planet would be considered a problem, regardless of the industrial or economic status of the nation involved.

45 posted on 02/02/2014 7:05:54 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Chode

Well how about we place a disclaimer to avoid clicking on the links and also avoid giving these clowns click points for google..


46 posted on 02/02/2014 7:08:15 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: RightGeek

Even better it is the Hockey Stick “Hide the Decline” buffoon Michael Mann.

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Great catch! Thank you!


47 posted on 02/02/2014 7:08:17 PM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

dimwit alert

when will these retards stfu


48 posted on 02/02/2014 7:08:42 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why isn't Michael Mann in jail?

Using tax dollars to fudge the data and spread lies. All the while funding a plush lifestyle where he need not produce squat...
Leaches are more honorable and trustworthy than this guy.

49 posted on 02/02/2014 7:08:51 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: cripplecreek

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


50 posted on 02/02/2014 7:09:01 PM PST by abclily
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