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In 2013, the US lost 30 people a day to gun violence. Obama shouldn't let us forget
The Guardian ^ | January 31, 2014 | Ana Marie Cox

Posted on 02/02/2014 8:39:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The president should be talking about guns (and gun control) a lot more. This goes way beyond horrific school shootings.

President Obama opened his remarks at McGavock High School in Nashville, Tennessee with a brief mourning of the death of a student there on Tuesday, the day of his State of the Union speech. Obama mentioned gun violence once in his address to the nation. Again yesterday, the bulk of his speech was about education policy, not gun control.

The fact that McGovock was itself the site of a gun fatality only gave a glancing emphasis on the firearm policies he says he is trying to move forward. The setting perhaps emphasized just as much the futility of the rhetorical gesture. President Obama needs to talk more about gun policies in this country, but he has to do it differently. As horrific as school shootings are, gun violence takes more lives outside our classrooms than in them.

In the five years of Obama's presidency, mass shootings have been the one reliable catalyst for a presidential push on our nation's uniquely liberal firearm laws. He broke a three-year streak of non-engagement on the issue in January 2011, after the shooting of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords and 17 other people in Tucson, Arizona, giving one speech and writing one op-ed calling for more legislation. Then, the White House was for the most part silent for another 10 months, until Newtown. That tragedy brought a flurry of urgent officials pleas: 18 sets of remarks in five months, according to C-SPAN. After that, another season of silence, until the Naval Yard shootings in September 2013....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newtown; obama
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1 posted on 02/02/2014 8:39:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Meanwhile, a few weeks ago here in Santa Ana, I woman was BEATEN to death outside a nightclub by three women using FISTS..should we ban fists too


2 posted on 02/02/2014 8:42:23 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Last year the US lost 95 people every day due to automobile violence.


3 posted on 02/02/2014 8:46:16 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At a time when we are essentially evacuating from the high seas, the illegal alien in the White House seems positioned to take our arms away, or severely restrict them.

Our fall back position has always been, you’ll pay a very high price if you try to invade the U.S. Now we’re being put in the position of only being able to lay down palm fronds as the attacking force walks in.

What to make of a man who is supposed to be the figurehead of our defense, who instead seems ready to sell us out.

How much clearer does it get?


4 posted on 02/02/2014 8:46:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

for context they should break it down into criminals shot dead, and victims shot dead.

if 27 of the 30 are criminals shot, that is a way better picture than say, only 10 criminals shot.


5 posted on 02/02/2014 8:46:45 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: P-Marlowe

compare it it how many die from knives and screwdrivers each day.

of course they never give comparable proper context.


6 posted on 02/02/2014 8:47:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

end actul violent criminals violently immediately

for all the world to see


7 posted on 02/02/2014 8:48:33 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Secret Agent Man; Slings and Arrows
compare it it how many die from.. screwdrivers each day

i have had six screwdrivers while watching the game

how much time do i have left

8 posted on 02/02/2014 8:51:27 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

would we lost more Obama voters.


9 posted on 02/02/2014 8:51:49 PM PST by golux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Around 3000 people a day use a gun to protect themselves.


10 posted on 02/02/2014 8:52:27 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, Obama should immediately start legislation to issue every lawful citizen in risk a ‘defensive’ gun. Then again, knowing who are we talking about, all the guns would end up in mexican gangs anyway.


11 posted on 02/02/2014 8:53:12 PM PST by Moose Burger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many of these were peculiar cases of the bullet coming from a gun held by the victim?


12 posted on 02/02/2014 8:53:42 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

we also more then 3,000/day to abortion

you’d think abortion was a bigger problem


13 posted on 02/02/2014 8:53:54 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well, in 2011, in Chicago, 70% of the VICTIMS had a criminal record...


14 posted on 02/02/2014 8:54:37 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals all believe in assisted suicide.

60% of all gun related deaths among adults are “gun assisted” suicides.

Liberals should be promoting gun ownership, especially among those they want to assist in carrying out suicide.


15 posted on 02/02/2014 8:54:38 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The majority of those deaths take place in cities with the strictest gun laws in the country. The people shooting up Chicago on a daily basis are obtaining their guns illegally and carrying them illegally. They want to pass more laws that criminals will ignore.
16 posted on 02/02/2014 8:54:43 PM PST by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

18 of the 30 are suicides.


17 posted on 02/02/2014 8:56:49 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder how many seniors obama killed last year with his economic policies.


18 posted on 02/02/2014 8:58:02 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Are we sure about these numbers? 30 per day?

I’m not buying into that figure.


19 posted on 02/02/2014 8:59:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

“Gun Violence” is a propaganda term.

Consider “Hospital Deaths”

Outlaw all hospitals, and deaths in legal hospitals will drop to zero. Of course, the overall death rate will increase.

The same happens with “Gun Violence”. Unless you look at all unjustified deaths as a whole, looking at only “gun violence” is an exercise in propaganda.


20 posted on 02/02/2014 9:01:37 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have no lives been saved from death or serious injury by citizens armed with firearms?
Why are such uses of firearms not reported by our press, presumably devoted to informing the public about important matters of general interest?


21 posted on 02/02/2014 9:01:47 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
McGavock High School named for this very politically incorrect character:

Randal William McGavock
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lt. Col. Randal William McGavock
Born August 10, 1826
Nashville, Tennessee
Died May 12, 1863
Raymond, Mississippi
Resting place
Mount Olivet Cemetery
Nationality American
Education University of Nashville
Harvard Law School
Occupation Politician
Planter

Spouse(s) Seraphina Deery
Randal William McGavock (1826–1863) was an American lawyer, Democratic politician, Southern planter, and Confederate Lt. Colonel.[1][2][3][4][5][6] He served as the Mayor of Nashville, Tennessee from 1858 to 1859.

Early life

He was born on August 10, 1826 in Nashville, Tennessee. He was a fourth-generation Irish-American. His paternal grandfather was Randal McGavock (1766–1843), who served as Mayor of Nashville from 1824 to 1825 and owned the Carnton plantation. His father, Jacob McGavock, fought in the Creek War of 1813–1814 with Andrew Jackson. His maternal grandfather was Felix Grundy (1775–1840), U.S. Congressman from Tennessee from 1829 to 1838 and 13th United States Attorney General from 1838 to 1840.]His mother was Louisa Caroline (Grundy) McGavock.
He attended a private academy, The Classical and Mathematical Seminary run by Professor Moses Stevens (1790–1841) in Nashville, which closed down in 1846.[5] From 1843 to 1846, he attended the University of Nashville. In 1847, he enrolled at the Harvard Law School, where he was active in the debating club called Kent Club and the Moot court. He received his law degree from the Harvard Law School in 1849.He then went on a twenty-month tour of Europe, Asia and Africa. He wrote articles about his experiences abroad for the Daily Nashville Union and published them in a book in 1854

Career

Upon his return from Europe, he worked as a lawyer in Nashville. He joined the A.O.M.C., a fraternal organization whose members wore black robes and hoods during ceremonies.He also oversaw his family plantations in Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky.

He was active in the Tennessee Democratic Party. For example, he canvassed for James Buchanan in the 1856 campaign. He served as Mayor of Nashville from 1858 to 1859. He had won the election thanks to the Irish vote.[3] In 1860, he campaigned for John C. Breckinridge. He was a strong proponent of states’s rights.

Prior to the American Civil War of 1861–1865, he established a militia in Tennessee among the Irish. Meanwhile, his wife founded the Ladies Soldiers’ Friend Society, a patriotic group that included Sarah Childress Polk, the widow of President James Polk (1795–1849). During the war, he served as Lt. Colonel of the 10th Tennessee C.S.A. in the Confederate States Army.He bought their uniforms. In 1861, he was imprisoned in Fort Warren on Georges Island in Massachusetts for five months. In 1862, he resumed the fight. However, he was killed in the Battle of Raymond near Raymond, Mississippi on May 12, 1863.
Personal life
He married Seraphina Deery in 1855. He was first buried in Raymond, but his sister Ann and her husband, Judge Henry Dickenson made arrangements for the body to be brought to their home in Columbus, Mississippi. Finally, on St. Patrick's Day, 1866, he was buried in Mount Olivet Cemetery in Nashville during a ceremony conducted by the Masons.[1][

22 posted on 02/02/2014 9:02:03 PM PST by robowombat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would bet that 29 of those 30 live in places with very restrictive gun laws.


23 posted on 02/02/2014 9:03:36 PM PST by PGR88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Take out the black on black murders then get back with the stats?


24 posted on 02/02/2014 9:07:07 PM PST by the_daug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gun Control that makes sense.

In 1863 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .

In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States, who later died from the wound.

In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States .

In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States .

In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States .

In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria.

In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US .

In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.

In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis .

In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school.

As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.
One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not. Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

No NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservatives were involved.

SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.

Best idea I've heard to date.

25 posted on 02/02/2014 9:07:07 PM PST by drypowder
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rham boyz Chitcago is most of those stats ...


26 posted on 02/02/2014 9:09:10 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: DoughtyOne
Are we sure about these numbers? 30 per day?

I believe that number is correct. However 60% of that number is for suicides. So the actual number of accidents and homicides involving firearms is about 12 per day.

27 posted on 02/02/2014 9:12:58 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IMHO, the number one threat to our national security would be a population that has been disarmed by the government.


28 posted on 02/02/2014 9:14:54 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Okay. That does sound more like it.

So we’ll get rid of 18 gun deaths per day, and wind up with 18 razor blade deaths per day. Great.

They they’ll ram razor blade control down our throats.


29 posted on 02/02/2014 9:20:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yep!


30 posted on 02/02/2014 9:21:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wager the vast majority of these will not be missed.


31 posted on 02/02/2014 9:21:34 PM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: drypowder

Not too long ago (within the last 6-8 months), there was an even more comprehensive list making the rounds, that not only had more items, but had brief citations and expanded details for the source of each shooter’s political affiliation. For example, I think it was Holmes who actually worked on Obama’s campaign in CO. Notably, I think it also had the Columbine shooters, and their families’ affiliations.

I wish I could find that list again.


32 posted on 02/02/2014 9:23:31 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Roughly, an average of 30,000 Americans die each year from influenza. (It is not a nice way to go, as you might suspect.)
33 posted on 02/02/2014 9:30:09 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would speculate a majority of those deaths involve Obama’s sons.


34 posted on 02/02/2014 9:30:47 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: bigheadfred
how much time do i have left

You're doomed.

Doomed, I tell you...

35 posted on 02/02/2014 9:31:39 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There will never be another gun salesman like Barry Obama!


36 posted on 02/02/2014 9:33:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need to ban smoke detectors to protect children from firearm violence.

Why not? It’s as logically connected as banning guns to protect children from firearm violence.

What part of Criminals Don’t Obey Laws isn’t clear?

Jeez, liberals piss me off. It’s literally the attack of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid.

And manipulative.

And dishonest.

And hypocrites.

And scheming.

And flat-out lies.

Evil aliens aren’t going to come from outer space, folks. They’re already here - and they vote Democrat. After all, who else could consistently run an anti-human political party?


37 posted on 02/02/2014 9:34:27 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s the Guardian! Nothing more really needs to be said.


38 posted on 02/02/2014 9:35:38 PM PST by vette6387
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To: the_daug
Take out the black on black murders then get back with the stats?

Pesky facts, such as crime and demographics, are to be ignored.

39 posted on 02/02/2014 9:37:16 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

Freakin' gang-bangers!

40 posted on 02/02/2014 9:41:25 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes how many are suicides?


41 posted on 02/02/2014 9:42:22 PM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The world lost 9132 people per day during the Mao and Stalin years.

We should never let people forget.


42 posted on 02/02/2014 9:44:01 PM PST by lurk
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To: P-Marlowe

True and of the incidents which were not suicides, many involve gang violence.

Much of which is gang-on-gang.


43 posted on 02/02/2014 9:58:12 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many of these shootings happened because a victim or bystanders were unarmed?

Why yes we should have a law about guns. Require every sane American to have one. (Kidding, but not much.)


44 posted on 02/02/2014 9:59:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The crowd that draconian attempts at gun regulation would scarcely touch at all.


45 posted on 02/02/2014 10:01:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The statistic includes good guys killing bad guys in self defense and cops shooting robbers.


46 posted on 02/02/2014 10:08:35 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Kozy

60%


47 posted on 02/02/2014 10:10:06 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Take drugs and gangs out of the statistics and it will probably drop the number to one a month!
48 posted on 02/02/2014 10:11:40 PM PST by dalereed
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To: drypowder

R.R. was 1981, not 1983.


49 posted on 02/02/2014 10:12:03 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: drypowder

R.R. was 1981.


50 posted on 02/02/2014 10:13:07 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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