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Osama Is Still Winning: The worst is yet to come.
The American Spectator ^ | February 3, 2014 | Ben Stein

Posted on 02/03/2014 2:20:24 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

I am weighed down by some thoughts I have been having lately. I think that since you are my family out there is Spectator-land, I will share them with you. (Although usually family are the last people who want to hear your thoughts. My sister is an exception, of course.)

First, a few days ago, I had a brief talk with a thoughtful high school student in my beloved Greenville. The topic was whether or not Osama bin Laden had realized his objectives in the attack of 9/11.

The woman had all kinds of brilliant insights, and herewith I add my gloom and doom addenda:

For OBL and the evil men and women he represents, the attacks were probably the most “successful” acts of wickedness by a small number in history (except for the acts of the founding members of the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, the Khmer Rouge, and the Chinese Communists). For the loss of 19 horrible scum people and an expenditure like what I spend on mortgages in a year, OBL and his henchmen killed 3,000 plus fine men, women, and children, tore apart the social fabric of the nation, caused us to spend trillions we would not otherwise have spent. He also caused us to lose roughly 3,000 grand men and women in our armed forces, innumerable good people in Iraq and Afghanistan, and sowed the seeds of a mighty oak forest of self-doubt and division in the free world.

This act of murderous terrorism did more than what OBL could have ever dreamed possible. It led us into an entirely unnecessary and fruitless war in Iraq. It led to Iraq being a hothouse of international terror, far worse than it was as a cruel despotism under Saddam....

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; alqaeda; benstein; bush; iran; iraq; islam; terrorism; waronterror; wot
Your thoughts?
1 posted on 02/03/2014 2:20:25 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Congress is supposed to be a co-equal branch of government and a check and a balance on the executive.
Congress also is supposed to exercise the Power of the Purse.

Boner won’t do either.
(Neither will he permit a genuine investigation of just who our current President really is...)

As long as Congress remains impotent or keeps functioning in Transform- Amerika enabler mode..... Obama will indeed keep winning.


2 posted on 02/03/2014 2:25:36 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ben are you crazy? The One has CAUSED all of these problems. You are falling for the Limbaugh theorum that poor little Obie is a bystander minding his own business and everyone else is to blame. Yes we would still have big government with Romney but I doubt he’d have a White House full of Marxists.


3 posted on 02/03/2014 2:30:36 AM PST by NoExpectations
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
9/11 and Usama did more than kill nearly 3000 people in the space of two hours, he got a appeasement congress elected in 2006 and a person who talks about his Muslim faith and supports terrorist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and even Al Qaeda in Syria.

And Peggy Noonan is on a wise person, but an imbecile.

4 posted on 02/03/2014 2:37:03 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: faithhopecharity; NoExpectations

The headline says “Osama” not “Obama” guys.


5 posted on 02/03/2014 2:37:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: faithhopecharity
 
 
Therefore, the Congress is collaberating while the options for We the People are steadily shrinking.
 
 

6 posted on 02/03/2014 2:38:58 AM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: lapsus calami

Agreed.


7 posted on 02/03/2014 2:42:33 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Osama. Obama. “What the hell difference does it make?!” (Thanks Hillary for adding so much to our political vocabulary).


8 posted on 02/03/2014 2:44:42 AM PST by faithhopecharity (C?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My thought is that he’s under contract to file a column, so he phoned this one in without even reading back through it. Very poor work for Ben Shapiro.


9 posted on 02/03/2014 2:45:53 AM PST by Tax-chick (... for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rambling article. Not sure what the point is. We just have to wait until the security / welfare state collapses under its own weight and pick up from whatever is left.


10 posted on 02/03/2014 2:46:14 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He blames OBL for the stupidity of the American people following the evil tricksters in DC? It is not OBL that used 9/11 as a ruse to invade Iraq, strengthen Iran, terrorise old white people (and young white children) in airports. Ben Stein is part of the problem.


11 posted on 02/03/2014 2:48:48 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
MY thoughts?

Well, Ben Stein called it like it is: it's race.

Well, technically, it's not race per se, but a difference in local, shall I say, "cultural ethical values" between the cities he mentioned.

Cities where the denizens value hard work, integrity, personal freedom, property rights, self-motivation coupled with sensible goals and the rule of law are doing better than those cities where the ethic is envy, poisonous relations with those outside your ethnic group, contempt for common courtesies (which are erroneously perceived as weakness), lack of goals focused on personal improvement through education and training, and dependency.

Each city makes its own bed, then lies in it.

Then, some whine about the bed they've made.

12 posted on 02/03/2014 2:59:09 AM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author is seeing a tiny portion of a worldwide canvas. It’s like the blind men describing the elephant. 9/11 was like a tornado. People who see the tornado alone blame the storm for the damage. The storm is only the manifestation of a huge weather front generally covering many states. One area is hot and less dense. An area the size of Oklahoma is cold and the air is dense. The dense air flows along rivers much larger than the Mississippi towards the less dense air. At the flow’s edge you get vortexes which we see as tornadoes.

The author focused in on one storm and ignored what caused it. The attack on the World Trade center was only one of thousands of attacks, most of which we never heard of. Israel lives with them daily. It’s the same storm system. This attack was particularly successful. But what made it really successful is it targeted a new victim, the USA. (Very few people in the US care one wit about people dieing in other countries. That news is at best 60 seconds between for four car pileup on I-10 and the two-headed calf in Oklahoma.) Another attack several years earlier against the Eiffel Tower was thwarted by a passenger who overheard the hijackers talking about it and told the stewardess. She alerted the pilot and he told them they didn’t have the fuel and he had to land to get more. The pilot alerted the ground and they surrounded the plane so it couldn’t take off. So, 9/11 was simply the first successful mass murder on the news. (Lots of mass murders have happened, but aren’t covered as the two-headed calf preempted them.)

The war in Iraq was an attempt to stop the tornadoes by equalizing the pressure systems. It failed, but it only failed because Barak Obama made us bail on Iraq without a status of forces agreement. If we were still there, chances are Iraq would act as the stabilizing influence Bush wanted.


13 posted on 02/03/2014 2:59:53 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: palmer
Agreed; it was a rambling article. Not the normal Ben Stein, as someone else also noted.

My response, supra, was directed only to that portion of the article that compared cities versus cities.

I chose to ignore the post-911 argument that we've suffered an erosion of our freedoms. That's inarguable.

14 posted on 02/03/2014 3:02:38 AM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: faithhopecharity

I think obozzo knows he wins, and we know we lose,. Userper in the wh


15 posted on 02/03/2014 3:26:54 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: All
Invading Iraq without provocation was a horrendous foreign policy decision devised by the neocons for their own self-serving reasons.

You remember the neocons---Bush installed them in the WH---in their own Office of Special Ops where---they connived (using our tax dollars) to get the US to invade Iraq.

Bush actually believed the pukeneos when they said an INVASION would "bring peace" to the Mideast.

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THE BIGGEST WHOPPER OF THEM ALL---Bush estimated the Iraq strike would cost $50-60 billion........then Bush publicly fired his aide, Larry Lindsey, because Lindsey dared to say the war might cost more like $100 billion. That was in 2007 dollars.

Iraq and Afghanistan today total about $3 TRILLION, and we're still pouring money down these rat holes........thanks to the neocons.

Predictably, the war profiteering was huge---the WSJ reported neocon guru is setting up his own oil company in Iraq (your tax dollars at work).

The US left Iraq with not a barrel of oil to our name.....and rivers of young blood spilled on its decrepit soil

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MOMENTS TO REMEMBER--- On the eve of the US invasion of Iraq, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee heard testimony from Marine Corps Gen Anthony Zinni---and other US military experts ---that the so-called architects (they dared not say "neocon") of the Iraq invasion were totally ill-prepared for a post-combat occupation.

US military experts ridiculed the Bush administration claims that rebuilding could be achieved within two years, that the weapons of mass destruction would be destroyed-------and that a vibrant new political and economic system would emerge.

Over a decade later, Iraq---and the rest of the Mideast----has yet to create a viable political and economic system....a system that is totally incompatible w/ their archaic Islamicist thinking macerated in the vengeful dicta of the Koran.

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LAUGH BREAK The pukeneos said the Mideast was "thirsting" for American-style democracy.

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

Same place now known as a terrorist hellhole...

<><> Where trillions of US tax dollars were wasted and rivers of young blood were shed.

<><> Where the blood-thirsty Muslim Brotherhood has a stranglehold.

<><> Where neocon godfather and war profiteer, Richard Perle, is starting an oil company (your tax dollars at work).

It took the US over a decade to get out of Iraq....as the globe erupted into Mideast-centered terrorism.....and hate-filled Muslims set sail for America.

16 posted on 02/03/2014 3:32:39 AM PST by Liz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Biblically speaking, God raises up enemies for a reason. Period. What could the world be doing that calls for a continuous threat? What is spreading throughout the world that stokes the wrath of God?


17 posted on 02/03/2014 3:42:53 AM PST by huldah1776
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>> It led to Iraq being a hothouse of international terror,

Through Obama’s neglect. C’mon, Stein.


18 posted on 02/03/2014 3:47:59 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: palmer

The collapse of the country is just what Obama wants. He is following the Cloward Piven model to the ultimate goal. The country is near bankrupt, the military greatly diminished, he has his own civilian military (homeland Security) and the stock market is a bubble . Obama will continue wasting and giving away money we do not have and the Democrat Party will have the Socialist ( Communist) system they want.


19 posted on 02/03/2014 3:57:48 AM PST by paguch
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The headline says “Osama” not “Obama” guys.”

You say Potato...


20 posted on 02/03/2014 4:04:56 AM PST by milemark (non blogger)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bkmk


21 posted on 02/03/2014 4:11:39 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, bush went into Iraq to get revenge for hussein’s murder plot against his daddy. We should have used hussein to block iran... we bought him in the eighties and he was for sale. We should have nuked Afghanistan, destroyed all roads and bridges, nuked tora bora and mined all mountain passes and let it all simmer.


22 posted on 02/03/2014 4:18:50 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We tried to fight a politically correct war, while infringing on our own liberties at home. Not being a military experct, I won’t propose strategies and tactics that should have been used, but the result should have been a new stone age in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, and Syria.


23 posted on 02/03/2014 4:23:32 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they win the House in Nov, we ain’t seen nothing yet. It’ll be pure, unadulterated hell for the next 3 years. God Help Us.


24 posted on 02/03/2014 4:46:05 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This guy is a paid columnist? Geeze.

“We are fighting a mental disease of hatred that has taken root and is spreading worldwide.”

Is he referring to Islam as a mental disease? If so, he might be partially correct. Islam has contributed nothing but hatred and violence to everything and everyone it touches. "Taken root?" Like it just happened in the past 20 years? Try CENTURIES. It’s a plague of ignorance and hatred, spread by primitive, evil butchers.

“Obama is doing the best he can, but he is up against the limits of his socialist ideology and his inherent paranoia.”

Obama is doing the best he can? To achieve what? Celebrating and loving what this country has stood for? Or destroying it? Recognizing and defending the Constitution? Or ignoring and trampling on it? Obama paranoid? Please. Further, Obama just happens to be a closet-Muslim, fraud, traitor, and an assortment of other titles. He might think he's doing the "best he can", but he needs to listen to the citizens he is WORKING FOR. He would discover very few agree with his methods.

And exactly what were the “brilliant insights” the woman high-school student offered to this guy?

25 posted on 02/03/2014 4:55:34 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (If you want to know who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whoops.


26 posted on 02/03/2014 5:15:22 AM PST by NoExpectations
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Osama Is Still Winning: The worst is yet to come.

Only because the lefties in the regime have crafted the rules of engagement to the point that every squad needs a lawyer before they can shoot back.

My rules would be Kill 'em all and let GOD sort 'em out!

27 posted on 02/03/2014 5:56:21 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He said a lot in his commentary that is sure to aggravate many. He was honest and that’s unusual nowadays.

I hope is wife is doing better and that his jacarandas bloom this year.


28 posted on 02/03/2014 6:07:25 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Osama Is Still Whining is more like it.


29 posted on 02/03/2014 7:09:50 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: paguch

A couple of minor points, the country is NOT “near bankrupt”, the country is BANKRUPT, it has just not officially declared itself to be so. Anyone who goes to court and declares bankruptcy was bankrupt already before going into court. Secondly it is not JUST the party KNOWN AS THE Democrat party that wants this, much of what goes by the name of the Republican party now consists of the same bunch flying a false flag.


30 posted on 02/03/2014 7:55:15 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: paguch; Liz
The collapse of the country is just what Obama wants. He is following the Cloward Piven model to the ultimate goal.

Exactly-bump.

No fair ascribing Obama's malicious outcomes and results to the Neocons or Dubya or anyone else but Obama and his politburo.

And another thing. Remember those boxes of dough, the ones our guys were finding all over Baghdad? The ones with $4.3 million apiece in brand-new C-notes from the U.S. Treasury packed in them like baseball cards?

Saddam and his boys were booking when we got to Baghdad .... and then someone changed their minds. Care to guess who?

Answer: Some senior officers of the Chinese People's Liberation Army dropped in on Saddam while he was packing his pistols and porcelains, and sold him the idea of a "Rope-a-Dope" war, a "survivor" war, against the Americans. The Chinese laid it out pitch-perfect for Saddam's personality, they knew the guy really well. Mr. Comeback, Mr. Survivor. He could fight a war in the desert for five, seven, ten years ..... and then the Americans would get tired like in Vietnam (the Democrats got tired in Vietnam -- because they were told to be tired by KGB Active Measures) and go home, leaving the rats and buzzards to claim victory on an empty battlefield. Just like Vietnam.

Just don't put that at Bush's door, or Rumsfeld's. Those guys didn't figure on Chinese interference. (Note: We still owe the Chinese big, for Vietnam, for nuclear proliferation -- the "borrowed knife" -- and now for Iraq.)

31 posted on 02/03/2014 2:38:38 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus; paguch
HERE WE GO ROUND THE MAY POLE Who could forget Obama's sap-happy "Arab Spring" when visions of terrorists as heart-filled humanitarians, weaving daisy chains, went frolicking around the May pole?

Obama's been prostrate---on his knees, all puckered up, apologizing for America, sucking up to America-hating countries. Obama, and his Chicago crime kingpins in the WH, have done everything possible to undermine US ntl security --- and they did it with our tax dollars.

Obama entertained the blood-thirsty Muslim Brotherhood in the WH; he gave the Muslim Brotherhood $2 billion tax dollars to finance its anti-American activities. It's certainly conceivable that the endless Mideast killings of Americans is being financed w/our tax dollars.

WHY WOULD A LIBERAL STAGE A MILITARY RAID? ANSWER COMIN' RIGHT UP Obama and HILLARY actually staged "military raids" in Libya. Did'ja ever? Who could image Smart Power types like Obama and Hill actually staging "military raids." But, heck, it was worth it----for Obama and Hill---they gained access to the National Bank of Libya. (No, there's no paper money there---just solid gold bars. Solid Gold. Not the fake Chinese tungsten filled bars flooding the gold market.)

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LET'S NOT FORGET Neocons also duped the US govt apparat into blood-thirsty Islamic Afghanistan.....the most corrupt spot on the globe. The Bank of Kabul is engaged in massive fraud---the bank gets deposits of billions of US tax dollars to run the war----if you are "a connected" Afghani you can withdraw billions with no "silly old" responsibility to pay it back. Afghan Pres Karzhai was seen loading billions of US dollars to transport out of the country. War profiteering at its finest (cackle).

32 posted on 02/04/2014 3:15:58 AM PST by Liz
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To: Tax-chick

Ben Stein, not Shapiro.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 12:33:07 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

Yeah, I noticed that after I posted.


34 posted on 02/04/2014 1:59:34 PM PST by Tax-chick (... for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead ...)
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