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Posted on 02/03/2014 6:17:36 AM PST by fishtank
Remembering The Genesis Flood
by John C. Whitcomb
December 8, 2010
A word fitly spoken has incredible power (Proverbs 25:11). Burdened by the rampant disregard for Gods Word, two young men collaborated to write a book called simply The Genesis Flood. Fifty years later their shout still reverberates round the world. In February 1961 a small publisher in New JerseyPresbyterian and Reformed Publishing Companybrought into this world a 518-page, somewhat ponderous, volume entitled The Genesis Food: The Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications. The co-authors were a little-known theologian (myself) and a hydraulic engineer, Henry M. Morris. Little did we know what the future held for our new work. Conception The book was conceived in September 1953 at Grace Theological Seminary, Winona Lake, Indiana, where I had already been teaching for two years. At the time I accepted the gap theory of Genesis 1:12, which was very popular in Christian circles and was the view held by most of the seminary faculty. That changed when Dr. Henry Morris was invited to present a paper on Biblical Evidence for a Recent Creation and Universal Deluge to the American Scientific Affiliation, which met on campus. I was profoundly impressed with his paper. Later, I wrote him a letter explaining its influence on me: I feel that your conclusions are scripturally valid, and therefore must be sustained by a fair examination of geologic evidence in time to come. My only regret is that so few trained Christian men of science are willing to let Gods Word have the final say on these questions . . . . I have adopted your views . . . and am presenting them to my class as preferable alternatives to the Gap Theory and the Day-Age Theory.
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“During that period,
Henry and Mary Louise Morris were also raising six children,
and he headed civil engineering departments at three schools
Southwestern Louisiana Institute,
Southern Illinois University, and
Virginia Polytechnic Institute.”
How could he head the civil engineering department at three schools when he “denied science”?
I still have my copy. :)
I do too. I think I need to dust it off and go through it with my children.
I still have my copy too; for Christmas in 1982 I gave a copy to my dad, who was a geologist and an evolutionist...it caused a bit of a stir then, and led to some further soul-searching.
We all need to thank Algore someday for validating the premise that his “scientists” can be dishonest, corrupt, concealing, petty and vindictive when it comes to their true religion: ‘sciencism’.
They are not true scientists, in that they look at all the data and then tell the truth.
No, they have constructed various forms of idols that MUST be worshiped.
They have written various sacred texts of end-time disasters with complicated but dire eschatologies, and they have built a powerful and effective priesthood and clergy.
“Sciencism” is not true science, it is ignorant earth-worship.
Here is what happened - a slide presentation:
There was a world-wide flood, and it was created by waters delivered by a massive comet that struck in what is now the Southern Ocean.
I’m aware of a PhD who teaches evolution at a major university who recently became a Christian and joined a conservative Reformed church, apparently unaware that Biblical Christianity and evolution are incompatible. His wife has read books by Henry Morris and become convinced. From what I understand he is really struggling right now.
I have an old hydraulics textbook written by Dr. Henry Morris - in the foreward it discusses the hydraulics of the Ark.
Why do you encourage him with attention?
I’m just asking the standard question with the standard assumptions -
how could someone deny ancient earth and evolution, thus “denying science”, and be the head of an engineering department.
One would think such an anti-science, anti-intellectual would deny every underpinning of the field of engineering, right?
I’m not arguing with you.
I just don’t understand why you waste your time arguing with him.
Consider this a "bump"...
And yes, I have read it.
Genesis 1:2 says this earth was flooded first. Long, long before Genesis 6. Nothing in the Genesis account describes the creation of each and every individual ‘soul/spirit intellect’. Yet we know the ‘soul/spirit intellect’ existed, as it was the ‘breath of life’ that God breathed into Adam’s nostrils that made him living. ‘Breath of life’ means soul. And it is that ‘breath of life’ (soul/spirit intellect) that returns to the Maker that sent it.
Humans have an amazing capacity for it.
Or maybe more likely a storm of comets and other debris that originated from the fountains of the great deep inside the Earth. So massive it even broke open the atmosphere surrounding the Earth [see Genesis 7:11].
Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
Dr. Brown was inspired to formulate his hydroplate theory by Whitcomb and Morris as well as the Bible.
So then you are comfortable with the idea that the Bible lies about creation and the worldwide flood?
The comet-induced flood was “the fountains of the deep.”
We humans evolved in the abyss that is now covered by more than two miles of water. We were flushed out and are now occupying lands that, prior to the comet, were nearly unoccupied (mostly too cold).
Here’s an interesting perspective that you might consider: humans are an invasive species adapting to this new environment.
Another consequence: it is almost certain that Atlantis existed.
The Bible doesn’t lie. But God uses stories and ideas that our limited minds can handle to teach us spiritual truths.
The Noah story is the vessel, or the cup that brings the spiritual water for us to drink. Don’t get so wrapped up in the cup that you miss the water.
I never knew for sure if my dad had reconciled with his Creator through repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Read my FR homepage, it will help eliminate some of your assumptions about me. But it will probably bolster other wrong assumptions too! :’)
Your viewpoint appears to differ from mine if you think millions and billions of years elapsed time is true. God gave us dominion over all other earthly creatures after
the creation week.
101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
Starlight and Time by Russell Humpheys
The key to the starlight and age of the universe is ‘gravitational time dilation’.
I'll stay out of this argument. I'll simply mention that I spent two semesters as a visiting professor at an engineering school in Istanbul. The very essence of science and engineering is that there are laws of nature that we can discover and use. However, the very essence of Islam is that there are no laws of nature. Everything happens because "Allah wills it." If you bring fire to a piece of paper, the fire doesn't cause the paper to burn. The paper burns because it is the will of Allah.
Muslims believe that Allah recreates the entire universe at every instant, and literally, what was a rock at one instant can be recreated as a tree.
How, then, can Muslims be scientists and engineers? I never did figure that one out.
I read an interesting book a while back - very dry, but in essence it was about why the Western culture was able to advance science (because of the assumptions of Christianity) and why the East and Islam were not able to.
In Islam, it is blasphemy to expect consistency of natural laws, because that is considered “chaining Allah”.
The problem in the East was with the ancestor worship, sort of taking the fifth commandment to a twisted extreme. They were culturally restricted from experimenting beyond what their ancestors accomplished until they were able to flawlessly replicate what the ancestors did.
Ummm, MrB supports the post.
That’s what the whole “/sarc” phrase was supposed to indicate.
“How, then, can Muslims be scientists and engineers?”
Simple. They can do that because it the will of Allah to get rid of infidels.
Unless, of course, you need them to work to pay more taxes .....
Hey! Now THAT’s an awesome idea!!!
I wonder if anyone’s ever thought of that MORE TAX idea before???!!???
“Simple. They can do that because it the will of Allah to get rid of infidels —— by Muslims using sci and engineering.”
That’s tough. I was particularly close to an uncle who died a few years ago. Though he professed his faith in Christ, I fear he was never saved. I won’t know for sure until eternity. What I do know is our Lord is holy and just. He will do what is right.
“...our Lord is holy and just”...
And His Word stands forever.
Now you’ve gone and ruined all my fun...
My testimony is at odds with your statement that this book and the works of Dr. Henry Morris did damage to the cause of Christ. I was raised in a liberal mainline denomination and grew up reading the evolutionary Time-Life encyclopedia set cover to cover. My faith was marginal due in part to the apparent discrepancies between “science” and the Bible. Consequently, I lived a marginally Christian life and wandered far.
It wasn't until I experienced a year of intense discipleship that included reading Dr. Morris’ writings, that I woke up and realized that true science (discovering God's works) and true faith (discovering God's Word) are perfectly synchronized. For me, the cause of Christ was realized as I now walk as a devoted follower of Jesus.
And really, isnt that the problem - too many marginal believers or pseudo-believers not living fully for Christ, sharing truth and loving the folks that are put into their lives?
- a fellow engineer
I see you are a student of the word AND the manuscripts!
This Morris guy, who also wrote the "Defenders Bible", thinks Noah took dinosaurs aboard the ark. Not big ones he says, but "little baby dinosaurs.":) That is how little known that there was a first earth age and how people make foolish statements (sottish) by not recognizing that fact.
I was once a thoroughgoing evolutionist back when I thought I was about the smartest guy on the planet. But not any more.
Evolution across species simply makes no sense. Neither does the Big Bang or the "billions and billions of years..." schtick. None of it is required and most of it is implausible looking at it using today's science.
But, put it all in the same pot with Man Made Global Warming and you have quite a stew. Unfortunately, it is thin gruel, bad tasting. One may as well go back to practicing medicine with leeches and lancets.
You could be writing my story right there as well, including the “fellow engineer” part.
and I thought it happened like 5000 years ago or theres about
I’m mechanical engineering, Texas A&M, myself.
Here's a sample of a "foolish" author's work??
I cannot describe my surprise when I finally read what even the KJV actually says. Why there was a flood right there in the second verse. See I could not understand IF all the young earth, 6, 24/7 day creationists were correct, why would God allow the law of the land make TOE supreme?... Course it does not bother some denominations to have TOE the methodology in which God used over the ages of time. Why that so called 'original sin' did not take place in an apple orchard but a fig grove. The translators were being kind when they used that word sottish.
As a gardener, I know that once I plant a seed it is out of my hands if the seed will germinate.
And you, without a doubt, are the wisest engineer here.
:) I think you are doing fine. The Lord said, “Seek me”. That is what you are doing. Just a word of encouragement.
Apparently they celebrate themselves rather than God. Good catch.
When I say Morris' book caused damage to the cause of Christ, really, it was more Morris' followers who did so. Believers like me who do not hold to the literal 24-hour-days interpretation of Genesis are absolutely castigated by Ken Ham and other Answers in Genesis types, the spiritual successors to Morris, saying that we are "evolutionists", or "believers in hydrogen gas", or "following after science rather than God."
I am none of these things, and nor are other believers who take physical measurements of God's creation to be truth.
To me, it seems that Morris and his followers are positing a Wizard-of-Oz-like God, who must cover up millions of years of weathering (e.g., the Grand Canyon) and ambiguously attribute it as the result of a single year-and-a-half flood event. The God of the Bible does not work that way; he cannot lie.
I don't know what the correct interpretation is, but I refuse to believe that God would deceive mankind about the most fundamental question of our physical universe: its age.
Be that as it may, I am glad you are a follower of Christ.
The flood could be completely universal-- that is, destroying all of sinful mankind and the nephesh animals associated with him-- and NOT be global in scope.
We know that the people of Noah's time refused to obey God's command to spread out and fill the whole earth. Why then should God flood the whole planet a mere 20,000 to 60,000 years ago?
Moreover, there is no geologic evidence for such a worldwide deluge such a short time ago.
I am a believer in Christ, and of the truth of the Bible. But I do not hold to the 24-hour-creation-day interpretation, nor the "Noah's flood made the Grand Canyon, and coal, and oil" interpretation of Mr. Morris and his acolytes.
Absolute poppycock, the whole book, without a single shred of physical evidence.
THIS is exactly the kind of thing that damages the cause of Christ in the eyes of the unbeliever.