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Remembering "The Genesis Flood" - 50th anniversary remembrance
Answers in Genesis ^ | 2-2-14 on AIG | John C. Whitcomb

Posted on 02/03/2014 6:17:36 AM PST by fishtank

Remembering The Genesis Flood

by John C. Whitcomb

December 8, 2010

“A word fitly spoken” has incredible power (Proverbs 25:11). Burdened by the rampant disregard for God’s Word, two young men collaborated to write a book called simply The Genesis Flood. Fifty years later their shout still reverberates round the world. In February 1961 a small publisher in New Jersey—Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company—brought into this world a 518-page, somewhat ponderous, volume entitled The Genesis Food: The Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications. The co-authors were a little-known theologian (myself) and a hydraulic engineer, Henry M. Morris. Little did we know what the future held for our new work. Conception The book was conceived in September 1953 at Grace Theological Seminary, Winona Lake, Indiana, where I had already been teaching for two years. At the time I accepted the gap theory of Genesis 1:1–2, which was very popular in Christian circles and was the view held by most of the seminary faculty. That changed when Dr. Henry Morris was invited to present a paper on “Biblical Evidence for a Recent Creation and Universal Deluge” to the American Scientific Affiliation, which met on campus. I was profoundly impressed with his paper. Later, I wrote him a letter explaining its influence on me: “I feel that your conclusions are scripturally valid, and therefore must be sustained by a fair examination of geologic evidence in time to come. My only regret is that so few trained Christian men of science are willing to let God’s Word have the final say on these questions . . . . I have adopted your views . . . and am presenting them to my class as preferable alternatives to the Gap Theory and the Day-Age Theory.”

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To: fishtank
Remembering "The Genesis Flood" - 50th anniversary remembrance

and I thought it happened like 5000 years ago or theres about

41 posted on 02/03/2014 1:57:18 PM PST by inpajamas (http://outskirtspress.com/ONE)
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To: MrB; Squidpup

I’m mechanical engineering, Texas A&M, myself.


42 posted on 02/03/2014 1:57:38 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Here's a sample of a "foolish" author's work??

43 posted on 02/03/2014 2:02:50 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Karl Spooner
I see you are a student of the word AND the manuscripts! This Morris guy, who also wrote the "Defenders Bible", thinks Noah took dinosaurs aboard the ark. Not big ones he says, but "little baby dinosaurs.":) That is how little known that there was a first earth age and how people make foolish statements (sottish) by not recognizing that fact

I cannot describe my surprise when I finally read what even the KJV actually says. Why there was a flood right there in the second verse. See I could not understand IF all the young earth, 6, 24/7 day creationists were correct, why would God allow the law of the land make TOE supreme?... Course it does not bother some denominations to have TOE the methodology in which God used over the ages of time. Why that so called 'original sin' did not take place in an apple orchard but a fig grove. The translators were being kind when they used that word sottish.

As a gardener, I know that once I plant a seed it is out of my hands if the seed will germinate.

44 posted on 02/03/2014 2:21:47 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
As a gardener, I know that once I plant a seed it is out of my hands if the seed will germinate.

And you, without a doubt, are the wisest engineer here.

45 posted on 02/03/2014 3:09:24 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Gritty

:) I think you are doing fine. The Lord said, “Seek me”. That is what you are doing. Just a word of encouragement.


46 posted on 02/03/2014 3:34:23 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: inpajamas
and I thought it happened like 5000 years ago or theres about

Apparently they celebrate themselves rather than God. Good catch.

47 posted on 02/03/2014 4:05:11 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Squidpup
I am glad you came to Christ because of this. I suppose the LORD can use almost anything to begin a believer's walk, as He is sovereign.

When I say Morris' book caused damage to the cause of Christ, really, it was more Morris' followers who did so. Believers like me who do not hold to the literal 24-hour-days interpretation of Genesis are absolutely castigated by Ken Ham and other Answers in Genesis types, the spiritual successors to Morris, saying that we are "evolutionists", or "believers in hydrogen gas", or "following after science rather than God."

I am none of these things, and nor are other believers who take physical measurements of God's creation to be truth.

To me, it seems that Morris and his followers are positing a Wizard-of-Oz-like God, who must cover up millions of years of weathering (e.g., the Grand Canyon) and ambiguously attribute it as the result of a single year-and-a-half flood event. The God of the Bible does not work that way; he cannot lie.

I don't know what the correct interpretation is, but I refuse to believe that God would deceive mankind about the most fundamental question of our physical universe: its age.

Be that as it may, I am glad you are a follower of Christ.

48 posted on 02/03/2014 4:44:52 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: BrandtMichaels
The Bible never says ANYWHERE that Noah's flood covered the entire surface of the third planet of this system. The "whole world" was the world of humanity, in the language of the Old Testament (ancient Hebrew). And indeed, it wasn't even necessary for the entire globe to be flooded to accomplish God's goals: cleansing the Earth of sinful man.

The flood could be completely universal-- that is, destroying all of sinful mankind and the nephesh animals associated with him-- and NOT be global in scope.

We know that the people of Noah's time refused to obey God's command to spread out and fill the whole earth. Why then should God flood the whole planet a mere 20,000 to 60,000 years ago?

Moreover, there is no geologic evidence for such a worldwide deluge such a short time ago.

I am a believer in Christ, and of the truth of the Bible. But I do not hold to the 24-hour-creation-day interpretation, nor the "Noah's flood made the Grand Canyon, and coal, and oil" interpretation of Mr. Morris and his acolytes.

49 posted on 02/03/2014 4:52:13 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: BrandtMichaels
PLEASE do not bring up Russell Humphreys and "Starlight and Time." That book has been so thoroughly debunked that even Answers in Genesis no longer recommends it.

Absolute poppycock, the whole book, without a single shred of physical evidence.

THIS is exactly the kind of thing that damages the cause of Christ in the eyes of the unbeliever.

50 posted on 02/03/2014 4:53:58 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Karl Spooner
"little baby dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs in force on the Earth 20,000 - 40,000 years ago? Absolute poppycock.

Another problem the Morris disciples have, related to this: If all animal life on the Earth was completely destroyed by Noah's flood, they MUST posit super-rapid evolution after Noah to get all the animals we have now.

51 posted on 02/03/2014 4:57:36 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Gritty
Neither does the Big Bang or the "billions and billions of years..." schtick.

Until you make your first measurement of parallax of a distant star (I have), you should stop attacking other people's work as "schtick". You are sadly misinformed if you believe the star light from, says, Cassiopeia A, appears instantly to us rather than taking roughly 11,000 years to get here. That's longer than the hard-core young-earth types say the whole universe has been in existence.

And if God created that light 'in transit' as the young-earth know-nothings say, then that makes God a liar, showing us something that does not exist.

The God I serve is mighty enough to marshal a 13-billion-year-old universe, and constitutionally cannot lie, as He is Truth.

52 posted on 02/03/2014 5:03:46 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: fishtank

Yeah, Morris should have stuck to hydraulics, and not dreamed up “The Genesis Flood.”


53 posted on 02/03/2014 5:04:53 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Berosus

:’) I wish Noah had left the hornets to die, eh? Nest:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1054343/posts?page=14#14


54 posted on 02/03/2014 6:09:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Take a moment to think about the materials at the link in post 8 on this thread. Then open Google Maps/Earth and investigate the impact that has gone mostly unnoticed until recently (and which remains completely ignored by official geologists).

The flood waters were delivered by a massive comet - a nearly incomprehensible amount of water. But it puts so much into context.

Likely that the estimate for when the impact occurred might have to be reworked.


55 posted on 02/03/2014 6:34:44 PM PST by mj81
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To: backwoods-engineer
Until you make your first measurement of parallax of a distant star (I have), you should stop attacking other people's work

Well, I'm not a backwoods-engineer so I will defer to your expertise and the accuracy of your measurements and data you have successfully collected. I am not attacking your work.

No, I don't question your work or your data. What I question are the conclusions which may or may not be drawn from your data - again, assuming it is correct.

The supposed conflict between the apparent age of the universe vs. the apparent Biblical record has long been a source of discussion. Just a quick search got me to this page which addresses some of those questions from a young-earth creationist standpoint. Read them and draw your own conclusion as you will.

There is one article there (an older one, for sure. "Starlight and the Age of the Universe") that tackles it head on. As I say, draw your own conclusions.

It is unlikely this argument will be settled in our lifetime, given our necessarily limited and incomplete knowledge of exactly what went on and how. However, I have no problem believing in a God that can create in ways and time frames which may to us seem out of the box and perhaps illogical.

I also have no problem believing God's word, given to us as a roadmap in this world. Occam's Razor also applies here. As far as I know, whatever has been historically proven has never contradicted the Biblical account. It is just that some things can't be historically proven - nor can they be scientifically proven. There are always assumptions. I will base mine on what appears to be the clear Word of God.

After all, when is the last time anybody walking around here has been able to raise someone from the dead?

56 posted on 02/03/2014 6:41:24 PM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: backwoods-engineer

First take the board out of your own eye...

Who is attacking whose work now?

Folks that hate hypocrisy often see it only in others

-never in themselves.


57 posted on 02/04/2014 10:01:14 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: mj81; backwoods-engineer; Gritty

Part II, Page 112 of Dr Walt Brown’s book:

“Mid-Oceanic Ridge. This ridge, one of our planet’s largest and most dramatic structural features, was discovered in the 1950s. It wraps around the earth on generally a great-circle path and is the world’s longest mountain range—46,000 miles. [See Figure 43 on page 112.] Unlike most mountains, it is composed of a type of rock called basalt. Because most of the ridge lies on the ocean floor, relatively few people know it exists. How did it get there? Why is it primarily on the ocean floor? Why does it intersect itself in a Y-shaped junction in the Indian Ocean? The portion in the Atlantic Ocean is called the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Is it just a coincidence that it splits the Atlantic from north to south and is generally perpendicular to and bisected by the equator? If Europe, Africa, and the Americas were once connected, how did they break apart?”

Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html


58 posted on 02/04/2014 10:12:35 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

Interesting site. Thanks.


59 posted on 02/04/2014 2:47:16 PM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: BrandtMichaels

How did they break apart? Try this:
http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Geologic-Sensemaking-Simultaneous-Impacts-10May2013.pdf

The flood is explained here, including how waters appeared to come out of the Earth:
http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/COMET-IMPACT-ANALYSIS-AND-EFFECTS-20Aug2013.pdf

Not even Bill Nye is aware of this... yet.


60 posted on 02/05/2014 12:38:35 PM PST by mj81
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