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Military recruiters challenged to fill smaller, specialized force
Stars & Stripes ^ | February 2, 2014 | Pamela Wood

Posted on 02/03/2014 7:10:20 AM PST by Timber Rattler

Chief Petty Officer Tori Novo says she finds herself saying "no" to young people who want to ship out to sea with the Navy more often than she used to.

A recruiter for seven years, Novo says she has seen the standards for enlisting in the Navy become tougher. And that means more young people who desperately want to join the Navy -- for a career with a steady paycheck, for educational opportunities, for a chance to serve their country -- don't make the cut.

Many of those applicants -- the ones "who would beg on their hands and knees to get in" -- might make excellent sailors, Novo says. But there's no room for them in today's smaller, more selective military.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armedforces; military; recruiter
Another reason why the military is losing its luster within the larger population...
1 posted on 02/03/2014 7:10:20 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Explains those frequent radio messages from the “Ad Council”
that encourage kids to stay in school ... “sponsored by the U. S. Army”.


2 posted on 02/03/2014 7:16:11 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Timber Rattler

And Urban ‘Black youths’ are going to adversely effected because of their culture of ‘being black’ and not ‘acting white’ by learning how to tread and write well enough to graduate and go on to college.

So how long before they start getting waivers, eh?


3 posted on 02/03/2014 7:19:28 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

tread and write = read and write.

I need to proofread closer...


4 posted on 02/03/2014 7:20:27 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Timber Rattler

A recruiter for 7 years. I wonder how many ships she served on? And she denies men to serve in the Navy. What are the standards now? Do they have a HS diploma? Are they fit? Just how exactly is she saying no to people who want to serve? This sounds to me like so much BS.


5 posted on 02/03/2014 7:21:36 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: The Working Man
I need to proofread closer...

Don't blame yourself. The word was probably changed by a playful NSA agent who was reading your post.

6 posted on 02/03/2014 7:24:16 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: The Working Man
So how long before they start getting waivers, eh?

My experience has been they have been getting waivers since 1972.

The main problem with most urban youth is drug use. Marijuana use, in particular, is very common. I do expect obummer to waive drug testing for recreational drugs in the future.

7 posted on 02/03/2014 7:37:11 AM PST by pfflier
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To: 7thson
Back in the 60s, a kid getting into a scrape would be given a choice:
State prison or step forward...
8 posted on 02/03/2014 7:41:37 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: pfflier

I Remember in Boot Camp back in 1973 that there was a special ‘squad’ that was segregated and given up to six weeks of special reading and mathematics remedial lessons. If they could pass at the end of that time they could go on to regular boot camp. Of course the Viet Nam conflict was still ongoing and a body was a body back then.


9 posted on 02/03/2014 7:52:36 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
“Back in the 60s, a kid getting into a scrape would be given a choice:
State prison or step forward...”
******************
I have no trouble remembering that setup. There were several members of my company in Navy basic training at San Diego in 1960 that were wishing that they had chose the other option and I had to deal with more of them in later years. It seems that some of them never learned right from wrong.
10 posted on 02/03/2014 7:58:15 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: mongo141
A class mate chose 16 months in a reformatory vs. the Army. I think this was 1968...
11 posted on 02/03/2014 8:01:27 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Timber Rattler

Here is the scoop on joining the military today (ENLISTED):

You must be in excellent health and physically fit. You will take a physical fitness test at the recruiter.
You must have a HS diploma. A GED will not cut it.
You must have not ONE ISSUE with the law. Period. Your background will be researched.
You will be tested (SAT type test) before being allowed to take the oath. Score too low and no enlistment

Bottom line: If you came from a failing school, never played sports, had one stupid run in with the law or have one minor issue medically - you are not getting in.

The sad part is that the kids that really need the military will now not have the chance...


12 posted on 02/03/2014 8:18:40 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Timber Rattler
Plenty of room for queers and for women in the combat arms, but the kind of people we want, there's no room for.
13 posted on 02/03/2014 8:33:48 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The broader part of that scenario is myth. I knew a couple of kids from high school (city of 80,000) who were given that choice and I served with a number of guys who were also given that choice. A couple went on to complete college and receive commissions; I had a number of them in my units. It was not that widespread and definitely not for violent or felony-level crimes. These were guys who might have stolen a car on a lark with no damage done, an accessory to a minor crime or a repeat shoplifter but never the case that I saw any hardened criminal or serious crime. The military still had standards even back then. The judges who did this were giving kids who had exhibited bad judgement or lack of discipline the opportunity to clean up and get their heads on straight. They guys I knew who took that option during VN came out of boot camp changed and with a purpose in life. Some made a successful career out of the military and the chance the judge gave them.

Today, too many believe that judges pushed all manner of criminals into the military and that just isn’t true. The hard criminals and druggies were not accepted into service because the judges couldn’t mandate who the military would take or not take. Today, it would probably be different but back then there were not that many who were given that choice out of the millions who served.


14 posted on 02/03/2014 8:53:57 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: The Working Man

That was the tail-end of project 200,000 which began around 1969-70. I went through infantry training with some of them in 1970 and I was stationed with some of them. Most were nice enough and tried, but could barely walk and talk at the same time. Most did not end up in combat arms because they could not make it through the training and nobody wanted to have their lives dependent on someone with the intellect of a stump.


15 posted on 02/03/2014 8:58:36 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950
This kid was nabbed for “careless smoking” (weed) and the county attorney was on an anti-drug campaign. Iowa categorized a half pound of ditch weed as a felony (also a drug stamp violation) distributing.
I think he did about one year at the Anamosa Reformatory.
16 posted on 02/03/2014 9:00:56 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: The Working Man
In my AFSC (USAF equivalent of MOS) we had waivers of minimum AFQT scores for selected groups because of "under-representation". As a result we had people of marginal skills maintaining ICBMs (Minuteman III).

The current negative press about the status of our ICBM forces partially got it's genesis there.

17 posted on 02/03/2014 9:09:00 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I only knew one stoner who was given the “choice”. He went through processing with me and he thought for sure that he would either get out (he tried to fake an injury) or that he would be taken into the army and get a fluff job; like that was going to happen in 1969.

When they lined them all up, the stoner with the draftees, an army sergeant told them to count off by twos and then told all of the ones “welcome to the U.S. Army”; a moment later the Marine NCO who was processing us walked out and told the twos “Welcome to the U.S. Marine Corps scumbags”. The stoner was a number two and nearly collapsed from the shock. He did successfully make it through boot camp and I believe he won a stripe for his performance.

In Iowa, like S.D. and Nebraska, selling true ditchweed should be looked at as a drug adversion method. I had a number of friends in HS who tried that crap and became violently ill. Wild hemp is not the same as smokeable weed. Never tried any of it myself because I couldn’t stand smoking.


18 posted on 02/03/2014 9:11:34 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950
Judge Duggen in Peabody, Mass was the best recruiter the Marine Corps ever had, WW2 Marine. He was a drunk but his “Come back here with the papers signed.” saved a lot of people.

The worse ones were Johnson's 100 Thousand, they were a danger to themselves and the rest of the unit.

19 posted on 02/03/2014 9:26:59 AM PST by Little Bill
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To: 2banana

I know a kid that went in last year with only a GED and had spent time in juvnile detention.

I thing it really depends on your MOS.


20 posted on 02/03/2014 9:28:51 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: 7thson
Just how exactly is she saying no to people who want to serve?

I'd say something along the lines of "Sorry, kid, but we can't use you. So please take your high school dropping, dope smoking, tattooed butt somewhere else."

21 posted on 02/03/2014 9:53:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: JoeFromSidney
...but the kind of people we want, there's no room for.

Why do they want high school dropouts, people with criminal records, drug users, full arm tattoos, or people who can't pass the aptitude tests?

22 posted on 02/03/2014 9:56:13 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: 2banana
The sad part is that the kids that really need the military will now not have the chance...

I thought we had a military to kill people and break things not to be a social service program for "disadvantaged youts".

23 posted on 02/03/2014 11:45:18 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: 2banana

Another thing that will keep a kid/person out of the military: Tattoos.

I took a 21 year old kid to a Navy recruiter. He asked about tattoos because that would be a disqualifier.
I started reading up on that and found that the military figured out that some people coming in with tats were gang members. They were continuing their gang activity while on active duty, then after getting out, taking their combat training back to the hood.


24 posted on 02/03/2014 11:52:19 AM PST by Texas resident
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To: Little Bill

Johnson’s 100,000 was followed by a congressional mandate called project 200,000. There were some real lowlifes among those who were just mentally below par. I went to a joint service school on an army base that had their quartermaster training to include the postal guys. The had classes in that school on how to properly wrap packages and some of them did not get it. Too many of them became cooks which was a real morale killer. When the Corps rotated us onto mess duty, many of us were better cooks than the assigned cooks. I had been a restaurant cook for 4 years so for me it was a mind numbing experience to have to watch those guys “cook” and take orders from them.


25 posted on 02/03/2014 11:55:59 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: JoeFromSidney; 2banana

Plenty of room for queers and for women in the combat arms, but the kind of people we want, there’s no room for
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Complete ‘turn around’ of situations...

back in ‘our day’ sure way out was ‘show homosexual tendencies’.

Before long

If you are in danger of not being accepted, show homosexual tendencies to get a boost and better your chances......

Progress.....yea right....


26 posted on 02/03/2014 12:04:16 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --Every wonder why when they refer to People of Color it doesn't include Asians??)
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To: xrmusn

"No we're not homosexuals, but we're willing to learn."

27 posted on 02/03/2014 12:07:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“No we’re not homosexuals, but we’re willing to learn.”
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Yeah, that’s right. That is what I am talking about. <: <:


28 posted on 02/03/2014 12:13:20 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --Every wonder why when they refer to People of Color it doesn't include Asians??)
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To: RJS1950
I was a squad leader in a rifle platoon they were a detriment to the service, the Army had a philosophy of “If they are to stupid to do any thing else send them to the Grunts.”

One of the lessons that the Germans learned was send a good proportion of the smart guys to the Combat Arms and you will get good performance.

29 posted on 02/03/2014 12:16:03 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: Texas resident

I know someone who served in the Army who had a couple tattoos on his arm before joining. He was told that some tattoos were allowed but could not be visible while wearing a uniform. He had also had a mild run in with the law. He served in Iraq and was injured by an IED, completed his service honorably and is a good husband and father to our daughter and grandchildren.


30 posted on 02/03/2014 12:27:49 PM PST by kalee
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I thought we had a military to kill people and break things not to be a social service program for "disadvantaged youts".

It is. Maybe 1 out of 100 ever gets put into harms way. Maybe 10% of those actually do any fighting.

And PS - some of the best Rangers, SEALs and Green Berets I have served with would have been in jail or dead if not for the military. The military took a chance and it paid off.

31 posted on 02/03/2014 3:43:22 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana
It is. Maybe 1 out of 100 ever gets put into harms way. Maybe 10% of those actually do any fighting.

I would dispute your numbers but let's put that aside. Do you want your tank being serviced by an illiterate punk?

Every job you have in the military has the potential of getting people killed if you do it wrong.

A company clerk orders the wrong supplies and suddenly you discover the wonderful versatility of rocks. You can throw them at the enemy, boil them for soup or bang your wounded on the head with them as a painkiller.

32 posted on 02/03/2014 5:06:34 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: RJS1950

“I went through infantry training with some of them in 1970 and I was stationed with some of them. Most were nice enough and tried, but could barely walk and talk at the same time. Most did not end up in combat arms because they could not make it through the training and nobody wanted to have their lives dependent on someone with the intellect of a stump.”

The military aptitude testing then for infantry put very heavy weight on IQ. (One part of the tests was equivalent to IQ)

I was a personal management specialist back then.


33 posted on 02/03/2014 5:24:05 PM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: Timber Rattler

In this and the huge numbers that will be ejected from the military in the coming are more seeds of a failing economy.

It is going to happen, get ready for it.


34 posted on 02/03/2014 6:38:20 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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