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I FINALLY BELIEVE, IT IS THE WOMAN’S SOLE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.. [Poster chooses ZOT!]
CookingWithChefCarlo. ^ | Feb. 3 2014 | Carlo3b

Posted on 02/03/2014 10:35:02 AM PST by carlo3b

I FINALLY BELIEVE, IT IS THE WOMAN’S SOLE RIGHT TO CHOOSE..

For me, it came down to a matter of nature, and fairness. I thought it through, and in doing so, I made sure that I really thought it all the way through..

After all of my many years of standing on the sidelines and observing, as was what I have been instructed to do, as a man, I have concluded that it should be the ultimate decision of the woman to decide whether she should be a mother..

In balancing, deliberating, and reasoning, there was but one undeniable truth, if it was the genius of our reproductive system, and the female of our species was chosen by design, biologically, to bear the burden of child creation, she alone should carry the decision of whether she wishes to reproduce. As such, she alone carries the burden of who should be the sperm donor, where and when the reproductive act should transpire. FAIR, and EQUITABLE, RIGHT?

We all know, or at least we should take a great deal more into consideration before and after making that decision, about how important it is in choosing to have a child or children, how that child will be raised. But one step at a time..

Can we agree that the choice of becoming a mother carries more than a simple yes or no. Far be it for me to interfere with the dynamics that should be considered in a woman’s priority process, but the requirements in that decision, by nature and necessity, is how and why to choose the potential male donor, for a milieu of reasons. By carrying the SOLE access to the starting point of reproduction, also carries the sole responsibility for the results of that decision, the wellbeing of the resulting baby..

Assuming we are all on the same page, the donor (THE MALE OF THE SPECIES) has a limited, but vitally important contribution in the process, the seed, or sperm. The donor, has decisions to make as well, first and foremost, does he agree with her choice of him as the contributor, and her choice of where and when, and even in some cases, with all of the new technologies, how..

As a summary, how many choices are involved in the decision to reproduce for the woman; • Do I want to reproduce, or will the act be for some other reason that I should take the risk? • What are the criteria for choosing a potential mate, or participant? • Who will be the contributor, or partner, for whatever reason? • What planning, or precautions, if any, should be required before the act? • When and where the act should take place? • What will I do if the act has produced the intended results, a child? • What if the planning went awry and there are unintended consequences? • What if I become pregnant, who else should suffer the resulting consequences? • Are there any limitations on my decisions? • What if I didn’t plan, what are my responsibilities? • What is my last resort?

As we have outlined, there are a list of choices that a woman has with her reproductive activities, and natural tools to consider, all of which she has the ultimate choice to advance, or reject along the way. With all of these options, who should be responsible for her decisions, other than the one that made them?

So, since I had no choice, no rights to contribute to her decisions, and, unless I was the contributor to the act, leave me or anyone else that were forced out the resulting process, out f the problems, RIGHT?

GOOD LUCK, AND GOD BLESS

A man..


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; feminism; liberal; murder; righttochoose; zot
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LEAVE ME OUT OF THE PROCESS, AND THE CONSEQUENCES!
1 posted on 02/03/2014 10:35:02 AM PST by carlo3b
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To: carlo3b

I too believe that the woman should be able to choose. And she chooses when she opens herself up to sex with the man. Not after there are consequences.


2 posted on 02/03/2014 10:38:20 AM PST by Shimmer1
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To: carlo3b

damn straight. welcome to equality and fairness. be a freaking responsible adult for your own actions. guys just don’t magically get into a gal’s crotch anytime they want. it’s not like you have a garage door clicker and when pressed the legs cannot help but open.


3 posted on 02/03/2014 10:38:43 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: carlo3b

IBTZ.

OK, now that that’s out of the way - I’ll read the article.


4 posted on 02/03/2014 10:39:01 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: carlo3b

I fully believe in a woman’s right to choose. I just believe that the choice is made when she chooses to engage in the behavior that creates the child. If she didn’t choose, then that is rape, and other rules apply.


6 posted on 02/03/2014 10:39:41 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: carlo3b; Responsibility2nd
Can we agree that the choice of becoming a mother carries more than a simple yes or no. Far be it for me to interfere with the dynamics that should be considered in a woman’s priority process, but the requirements in that decision, by nature and necessity, is how and why to choose the potential male donor, for a milieu of reasons. By carrying the SOLE access to the starting point of reproduction, also carries the sole responsibility for the results of that decision, the wellbeing of the resulting baby..

IB4TZ indeed!

7 posted on 02/03/2014 10:40:42 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Shimmer1
I too believe that the woman should be able to choose.

How come this 'right to choose' never involves adoption? That's a viable choice, isn't it?

8 posted on 02/03/2014 10:41:29 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: carlo3b

I have no problem with abortion so long as the baby isn’t harmed in any way.


9 posted on 02/03/2014 10:42:06 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: knarf

Not one ounce of class in that post.

.


10 posted on 02/03/2014 10:42:20 AM PST by Mears
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To: carlo3b

Christians have always been Pro-Choice.

Pro-Choice before conception, Pro-Life after conception.

Any attempt to end a Pregnancy after conception is nothing short of a Barbaric Murder!


11 posted on 02/03/2014 10:42:21 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: carlo3b

So you’ve wasted fourteen years here at Free Republic and learned nothing? That really is tragic.


12 posted on 02/03/2014 10:42:25 AM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Alex Murphy

This could be a double or even triple zot thread.

Depending on the comments.

~grabbing popcorn~


13 posted on 02/03/2014 10:43:03 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: lepton

Abortion is the decision - after a long list of other bad decisions


14 posted on 02/03/2014 10:43:15 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: Mears

Yep, I can see that reply getting deleted. And maybe a few zots handed out.

~where’s the butter? I like butter on my popcorn.~


15 posted on 02/03/2014 10:44:25 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

it’s chosen far less often than it could be. it’slike that woman who strangled her dog she couldn’t care for because she didn’t want anyone else to have it.


16 posted on 02/03/2014 10:44:30 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: carlo3b

To me, it isn’t the logic and reason of someone who thinks they are disconnected from the effect - how they should be open and caring and all that.

The fact is that we are talking about acts that result in the murder of a human being, an unborn soul. There is no logic or reason for it, from a “man’s” perspective. The logic and reason is God’s.

Similarly, the Supreme Court’s decision did not and does not solely affect the ‘woman in question’. The fact is that abortions are subsidized daily by the taxpayer -if not for the deed itself, then by advertising, encouragement, and sponsorship of groups whose mission statements are murder.

It doesn’t boil down to a “man’s decision”; it boils down to murder, and the accompanying cowardice that leads one to let it be.


17 posted on 02/03/2014 10:45:15 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Mears; knarf
Not one ounce of class in that post.

And yet everything he posted was correct.

The choice, concerning the baby, stops/ends once the Mother decides to get impregnated.

From that point forward, if she tries to kill her baby, it's murder.
18 posted on 02/03/2014 10:46:01 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: carlo3b

“If you don’t want to go to Chicago, then don’t get on the train”. Fr. Emil.


19 posted on 02/03/2014 10:46:09 AM PST by DManA
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To: carlo3b

“the ultimate decision of the woman to decide whether she should be a mother..”

If she has a child growing in her, she is already a mother. That decision is not up to her.
The decision is whether the mother will murder her child.

Imagine 50 million dead babies in a pile. How high would that be?
Does anyone have a conscience anymore?


20 posted on 02/03/2014 10:46:14 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: carlo3b

Carlos ... I love you, man. But. No.

Abortion is murder. Your article says a woman may murder her baby.

Just. No.


21 posted on 02/03/2014 10:46:37 AM PST by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: carlo3b
Coming from a "chef", I thought it would be a garbled joke about picking sea food. Then I thought it was some kind of effort at irony. Now I just think it makes no sense.
22 posted on 02/03/2014 10:46:37 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I’m SO in favor of adoption, but I believe he meant conception, and I know I did.


23 posted on 02/03/2014 10:47:33 AM PST by Shimmer1
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To: carlo3b

chef carlo appears to have written that due to felt pressure from some quarter..


24 posted on 02/03/2014 10:47:57 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: carlo3b

Yeah, some man, eh? The author sounds more like a child, a whiny boy, to me. Real men take responsibility for their actions.

In regards to the right of a woman to choose what to do with her body, I agree. The choices to have sex and use birth control should be hers alone. However, that new life in her womb (should one be conceived) is not part of her body. It’s a life in its own right and should have the right to live.


25 posted on 02/03/2014 10:48:00 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
This could be a double or even triple zot thread. Depending on the comments.

Wonka Suspense

26 posted on 02/03/2014 10:48:26 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: carlo3b
I thought it through, and in doing so, I made sure that I really thought it all the way through..

Apparently you didn't.

You left God out of your thought process.
27 posted on 02/03/2014 10:48:36 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: carlo3b

And if their right is solely theirs and I mere donor in the process then I have no obligation to them or anything they Xerox in their zeal to fulfill a reproductive desire.

Thus far, I have escaped that trap.

/S


28 posted on 02/03/2014 10:48:38 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I almost thought is was an opus but, it’s not...


29 posted on 02/03/2014 10:49:02 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DManA

Perfect. Says it all.


30 posted on 02/03/2014 10:49:23 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: beelzepug; carlo3b

I’m pretty sure it’s called sarcasm. Not everyone likes to use a sarcasm tag.


31 posted on 02/03/2014 10:50:06 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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To: carlo3b

It’s human life, carlo3b. Any thought less is it’s destruction. There’s a name for that.


32 posted on 02/03/2014 10:50:35 AM PST by onedoug
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To: All

when I first so the title, I thought he meant her right to choose her healthcare.


33 posted on 02/03/2014 10:51:01 AM PST by willywill
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To: carlo3b

I sincerely pray you are not ok with abortion here.


34 posted on 02/03/2014 10:51:14 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: carlo3b

Corporately we must deal with the consequences of pregnancies because innocent human life is at stake. We should speak and act in a manner that treats innocent human life with the highest respect possible. The means it is in our interest to exercise self-control, while rebuking those who despise it. Much more should be done to encourage young adults to behave responsibly and to weather the consequences if they do not. In no case, however, should counsel and aid mitigate against innocent human life.


35 posted on 02/03/2014 10:51:19 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Secret Agent Man

You didn’t get yours in the mail?????


36 posted on 02/03/2014 10:52:19 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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I think the chef may be cookin' in a different oven, knarf.

IBTZ

37 posted on 02/03/2014 10:52:49 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Yes, she should either choose to keep and nurture the baby or give it up for adoption, only God should choose whether it dies or not.


38 posted on 02/03/2014 10:52:53 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: carlo3b
Before conception:Choice

After conception:No Choice

I have always enjoyed you posts, but todays is ambiguous.

39 posted on 02/03/2014 10:53:29 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: carlo3b

Almost incoherent. In a class, I’d give it an ‘D-’.


40 posted on 02/03/2014 10:54:08 AM PST by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"garbled joke"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've read this essay several times. I keep looking for the irony tag, or the sarcasm tag. They ain't there.

I think this fool is serious. Look again at the last paragrpah:

So, since I had no choice, no rights to contribute to her decisions, and, unless I was the contributor to the act, leave me or anyone else that were forced out the resulting process, out f the problems, RIGHT?

WRONG.

The pro-abortion rhetoric is strong with this article

I said it upthread; I'll say it again

IN BEFORE THE ZOT.


41 posted on 02/03/2014 10:54:20 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: carlo3b
"LEAVE ME OUT OF THE PROCESS, AND THE CONSEQUENCES"

Only you can put yourself in the "process." And once you're in, you're in.

42 posted on 02/03/2014 10:54:28 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Christians have always been Pro-Choice.

Pro-Choice before conception, Pro-Life after conception.

Any attempt to end a Pregnancy after conception is nothing short of a Barbaric Murder!”

I don’t believe that god has specified that sentient life with a soul begins at conception. As a matter of fact, many fetuses are spontaneaously aborted if the mother is stressed or the fetus is non viable without extraordinary medical intervention.


43 posted on 02/03/2014 10:54:59 AM PST by staytrue
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To: carlo3b

For women, and men: don’t have sex. Make love, or don’t do it.

There is a profound difference. Loves welcomes babies. Love connects people. Love is faithful and self-sacrificing. Love builds the security of this generation while creating the next generation.

Recreational sex between uncommitted people leads to one of four bad ends: death or illness or heart break or a hardened heart. That’s the hard truth. The sooner people deal with it, the better for them and the world in general.


44 posted on 02/03/2014 10:55:37 AM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Mears
Nope ... you're right.

And less with all the words that go nowhere.

Bonus question;

Is it abortion or aborticide ?

45 posted on 02/03/2014 10:55:54 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: CitizenUSA

If its sarcasm, carlo better respond quick with that “excuse”. I don’t think it is sarcasm.


46 posted on 02/03/2014 10:56:23 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: carlo3b

Clarification required Sir.


47 posted on 02/03/2014 10:56:40 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: carlo3b

...ONLY if her choice does not infringe on the pre-born CHILD’s choice.


48 posted on 02/03/2014 10:57:05 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: staytrue
Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

49 posted on 02/03/2014 10:58:30 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: carlo3b

Choose what?


50 posted on 02/03/2014 10:58:55 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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