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Government to require vehicle-to-vehicle communication as safety measure [Big Gov't Knows Best]
News Herald ^ | 2/3/14 | Dana Hull

Posted on 02/04/2014 4:57:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

In a move that signals a great technological leap forward for the auto industry, the federal government announced Monday that it will take steps to require all new cars and light trucks to communicate with each other, with the hopes of drastically reducing the total of more than 30,000 vehicle deaths each year.

The technology, known as “vehicle-to-vehicle” or “V2V,” gives cars the ability to “talk” to each other and exchange safety data such as speed and position. If a nearby car abruptly changes lanes and moves into another car’s blind spot, the car would be alerted. The technology relies on vehicles repeatedly sending wireless signals to each other via a dedicated short-range radio network

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cars; overreaching; transportation
This is none of the federal government's business. Also, this is RIPE for privacy invasions.

We need a Congress with BALLS to keep the bureaucracy small and in check.

1 posted on 02/04/2014 4:57:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

If thought ObamaCare was bad, just wait until the government controls the brake and gas pedal on your car.

I see an unmitigated disaster in my crystal ball.

Who the Hell gave the DoT statutory authority to tamper with my brakes?


2 posted on 02/04/2014 4:59:54 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“V2V”. Isn’t that cute. These nanny staters are so smart and creative.


3 posted on 02/04/2014 5:00:11 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I agree, I don’t like this at all.


4 posted on 02/04/2014 5:00:21 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: SoFloFreeper

I like the idea. Somebody cuts me off and my car automatically sends their car the Ping of Death.


5 posted on 02/04/2014 5:01:08 AM PST by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is to establish Vehicle to vehicle communication so when it is in place your car can be interrogated by Police vehicles to determine if you have been speeding.
And of course they'll just mail you the ticket.
6 posted on 02/04/2014 5:02:33 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m currently driving a 12 year-old car. I expect to keep it at least five more years. Keeping the old, non-smart cars with very few black boxes running is the only way to keep the government out of your business. Check out PAYD or pay-as-you-drive. It’s a government backed insurance initiative to charge people based on a perception of what constitutes reasonable driving. An occasional long trip can raise your rates as well as populate a folder about where you went.


7 posted on 02/04/2014 5:03:42 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Whose gonna get this billion dollar no-bid deal?


8 posted on 02/04/2014 5:03:43 AM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Vehicle to vehicle communication? My middle finger has been doing this for years.
9 posted on 02/04/2014 5:07:57 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: sickoflibs

Lo-Jack -—> Gov’t Hi-Jack.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 5:08:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: poobear

no study on safety of all the new beeps and bussars..some new startup is gonna get boosted....nice to have a large captive market.....

Those glowing safety vests....someone made some cash there.

nice racket.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 5:11:21 AM PST by Therapsid
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To: SoFloFreeper

This ability will require cars to be much “smarter” than they are currently. Such technology will EASILY lend itself
to abuse by Big Brother in so many ways it’s hard to imagine
them all. If it has a computer....and anything “smart” does, it can be hacked, hijacked and controlled by hostile
parties.


12 posted on 02/04/2014 5:11:31 AM PST by nvscanman
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To: SoFloFreeper

So many problems with this. Bugs in the system. Hackers in the system. Slick roads, computer apples too much brake or steering. Legacy vehicles nearby the computer is unaware of. Anyone knowing where you are at at all times. Jerks reprogramming their system to command everyone nearby to move right and slow down, thus clearing a path for the guy who thinks he’s special.


13 posted on 02/04/2014 5:11:59 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

tracking device


14 posted on 02/04/2014 5:14:45 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Paladin2

I never liked the automatic front car head lights that go on with no over-ride to turn them off.

Ironically I think this makes it impossible for cop cars to hide in the dark with their lights off and their engines on(when its cold or hot outside), unless they put in special over-rides.


15 posted on 02/04/2014 5:15:52 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs

Cop cars have overrides.


16 posted on 02/04/2014 5:18:11 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Several models have a version of this already in that it alerts the driver when
other vehicles get into your blind spots, slows closing rate, etc. This however
isn’t communicated to the other vehicle which apparently what this new program
will do. More gov’t dictates.


17 posted on 02/04/2014 5:20:41 AM PST by deport
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m a software guy. I see an opportunity here. I am going to look into getting savvy on engine and vehicle management computers (almost took a job in that field a few years back). I see a market for “rooted” vehicles that don’t track position, or report false positions, who scrape/collect other vehicle’s data, impersonate other vehicles... This could be my retirement plan. Seriously.


18 posted on 02/04/2014 5:26:00 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

NSA hacking opening for our vehicles. Perhaps his opponents will be involved in mysterious pileups or the Muzz Brotherhood will detonate fuel tanks


19 posted on 02/04/2014 5:26:24 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ancient Vehicle to vehicle communication

20 posted on 02/04/2014 5:27:37 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: deport

So, this will go into effect before the pile of dung leaves office. My current vehicle is 5 years old. I am approaching 70 so my next vehicle will probably be my last I buy. It will be a 2016 for sure.


21 posted on 02/04/2014 5:30:05 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sure, and make it so no-one under 30 can ever afford a new car. Every time the government mandates a new add-on the price gets higher. Then we get to listen to liberals complain about the high cost of new cars, and the greedy auto companies.


22 posted on 02/04/2014 5:30:59 AM PST by jps098
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To: deport; All
I went to a talk by a California DOT type about 10 years ago where he outlined what he thought was the future of transportation. The primary problem in California wrt traffic is the availability of dirt for new roads. There isn't any.

The only ways to increase capacity is by stacking roads vertically or stacking cars "nut-to-butt" horizontally. California, being earthquake country, sees nut-to-butt as the more workable solution.

From a software/hardware point of view this is all quite manageable. I expect that it will be abused every bit as often as the internet is and by much the same parties. Everything has its price, want to play?

23 posted on 02/04/2014 5:35:25 AM PST by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Make room for Robo-COP Auto GESTAPO


24 posted on 02/04/2014 5:35:59 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ThunderSleeps

I fix and sometimes cobble together hardware and have some automotive background ancient though it is, would you want a partner?


25 posted on 02/04/2014 5:37:11 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Mouton

This won’t be mandated for a while. They are trying to get it approved before Obama
leaves office and then it will take some time to implement into all cars. jmo.

Some autos already have Lane Warning devices to let you know when you get to
close to the lane marker. They beep or some use a viberation in the
drivers seat. Some slow down if you are using cruise and are gaining on a
vehicle in front of you in order to match their speed. All these take
some getting used to.


26 posted on 02/04/2014 5:43:59 AM PST by deport
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To: SoFloFreeper

This will allow the government to locate/track any vehicle anywhere at any time. When they decide to move against you they will know where to go to get you. But it’s all for your safety of course.


27 posted on 02/04/2014 5:45:55 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Paladin2

Just before the Chinese attack they will activate their V2V malware and cause all the cars in the country to crash.

A much smaller scale conspiracy is that the use of V2V will grow and grow. One of the first changes is that the police/government will be able to stop your car at the press of a button, and probably locking you in car too.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 5:51:42 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The perfect way to go in the “the car makes what we think it’s best, not what you want it to do” direction. Surely Google is somehow involved.


29 posted on 02/04/2014 6:02:06 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: wally_bert
I'll do that, if they get serious about this and I get serious about that. I'm thinking it will definitely have a hardware component. The vehicle management system will probably be pretty well locked-down in software. Either difficult or expensive to get into/reprogram.

So my first thought is a shield over their GPS antenna. System has to have a failsafe mode for driving in tunnels, parking garages, mountains/valleys, urban areas where GPS can be iffy. Or heck, what if GPS goes down? So make the car think it is blocked from the sky. Then need a shield over their antenna(s). Car will think there's simply no-one else around.

The net effect is that your car could never report what you're doing (speed, position) or even record it for later dump. No other cars around you would be able to ID you. This effectively drops your car out of the system.

Then for fun include a small antenna and transceiver with say a USB interface... Write either a standard notebook (windows/linux?) or smartphone (Android) app to have some fun. Have it pull info from everyone around you, maybe fake being someone else, etc. Lots of fun could be had with that app... But it will require some kind of hardware component to do the transmit/receive as well as some interface logic/circuitry to talk to a computer or smartphone.

30 posted on 02/04/2014 6:07:13 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Therapsid

Remember the barry’s campaign slogan, “Where’s MY pie?” He’s found an endless banquet!


31 posted on 02/04/2014 6:10:11 AM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Government to require vehicle-to-vehicle communication as safety measure

"Hey, Goodlooking. You got plans for later this evening? I know a great little detailing shop. What do you say? You up for a some romantic suds & shine?"

32 posted on 02/04/2014 6:22:55 AM PST by moovova
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To: muir_redwoods

I’ve got so many damn controls on my cars dash that even after two years, I don’t know how to turn the interior light on aside from opening the door.


33 posted on 02/04/2014 6:28:11 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: SoFloFreeper
Gee, I hope my car can log on to the server?

A government controlled vehicle kill-switch for persons it does not like.

34 posted on 02/04/2014 6:33:53 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

What could go wrong with that? :-)


35 posted on 02/04/2014 6:37:24 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
So I'll drive around an old Pinto with a faraday cage around it, or glue on Insulfab with the conductive sides bonded. I'll wallpaper the car with it. They also make silver plated, carbon blackened window shielding so nothing comes out or in thru the glass. A white shot noise generator creates havok too. It costs about $5.00 to make. Range is limited, but it will prevent your car from being read, and stomp over the signals with noise in any car within about 25 feet of yours.

Don't expect to listen to your radio though.

36 posted on 02/04/2014 6:41:34 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

So the Nation Highway Transportation Administration wants to get their slice of Homeland Security Pie?


37 posted on 02/04/2014 6:43:29 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

I like it. You could sell it as a safety item. With this white noise generator no distracting cell calls/texts while driving. ;-) Radio? Just hook up your MP3 player or smartphone and play some recorded playlists...


38 posted on 02/04/2014 6:45:42 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps
They will likely call it a silencer and control it with the backing of the ATF. Or if you want to buy one made by engprofessionals (which is most likely what's all around the Whitehouse and their limosenes)................

http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1000001300%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-346C/noise-source-10-mhz-to-265-ghz?&cc=US&lc=eng

39 posted on 02/04/2014 6:57:49 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: jps098

Saw this coming with those black boxes and On Star back during that oh so innocent Cash for Clunkers. Now, any dissenter can be Hastingscided at a click of a mouse.


40 posted on 02/04/2014 7:10:29 AM PST by bgill
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To: Mycroft Holmes
The only ways to increase capacity is by stacking roads vertically or stacking cars "nut-to-butt" horizontally

Since 1 in 8 are here illegally, kicking illegals out would free up a lot of road space so there wouldn't need to be new roads.

41 posted on 02/04/2014 7:13:27 AM PST by bgill
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To: Age of Reason

I think if someone wanted to rebuild 20 year-old volvos, toyotas and fords to near showroom condition and sell them at a fair profit it would be a fine way to recycle and give people a choice to be untracked.


42 posted on 02/04/2014 7:20:09 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Until it starts malfunctioning and actually CAUSING 38 car pileups.


43 posted on 02/04/2014 7:27:49 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Age of Reason

Same here. To reset the clock in my Jaguar I have to pull out the owners manual....so I just leave it alone and subtract an hour off the time.
Our Mercedes?! Forget about it.


44 posted on 02/04/2014 7:37:48 AM PST by sheana
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To: SoFloFreeper

I know exactly how this is going to work:

So many false alarms, people will pull the wire or fuse to the alarm noise maker. I know I would. I did this in the early days when cars made annoying buzzer noises for everything under the sun. Once they switched to pleasant chimes for various alerts, I didn’t mind so much.


45 posted on 02/04/2014 7:42:10 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

A 100 dollar hook on the top of each car will fix the transportation system. A car breaks down, a helicopter comes, hooks up the car and tows it off the road.

A stupid idea but just as stupid as what the government is proposing.


46 posted on 02/04/2014 8:06:07 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: ThunderSleeps
I’m a software guy.... This could be my retirement plan. Seriously.

I also plan to ride on the CAN bus :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus


47 posted on 02/04/2014 8:17:33 AM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: sheana

That’s right about the clock, too!


48 posted on 02/04/2014 12:43:47 PM PST by Age of Reason
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