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Wis. panel to vote on constitutional convention
WQOW ^ | Feb 04, 2014 4:04 AM CST

Posted on 02/04/2014 6:46:29 AM PST by Sopater

MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A Wisconsin legislative committee is set to vote on a resolution calling for a state convention to propose a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

It takes a two-thirds vote in Congress to propose an amendment for states' ratification. Congress also must grant a request from two-thirds of the states to convene a state convention to propose an amendment. Ratification requires approval from three-quarters of state legislatures.

The tea party has been making a national push to convene a convention to propose an amendment requiring the federal government to balance its budget. Wisconsin Republicans have drafted a resolution asking Congress for such a convention.

The Assembly election committee is set to vote on the resolution Tuesday. Approval would clear the way for a full Assembly vote.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: budget; constitution; debt; spending
Just say "NO" to raising the debt ceiling for starters.
1 posted on 02/04/2014 6:46:29 AM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

NO US Constitutional Convention....

NO! NO! NO! NO!

the Obama people will win the day if it happens...they cheat. and the Republicans are pussies....


2 posted on 02/04/2014 6:51:54 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Sopater

Consider adding “Term Limit” to all those in Congress.

12 years Max in Senate
12 years Max in House

No conflit of interest in Congress.

What say you?


3 posted on 02/04/2014 6:54:59 AM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (Read the Constitution!!)
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To: Vaquero
3/4s of all states have to ratify any amendment coming out of an Article V convention.

/johnny

4 posted on 02/04/2014 6:59:18 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sopater
Constitutional Convention? That will be a disaster.

See Students Sign Petition To Have Gun Owners Executed In Concentration Camps.

One of the many reasons why a ConCon would end up gutting the Bill of Rights in the interest of "fairness," "equality," "security," and "for the children."



5 posted on 02/04/2014 7:00:18 AM PST by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Nothing wrong with the constitution except the govt does not follow it. Let’s work on fixing THAT.

LEAVE IT BE!!!


6 posted on 02/04/2014 7:01:08 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: peyton randolph
Do you think 3/4s of the states would ratify amendments to gut the Bill of Rights?

/johnny

7 posted on 02/04/2014 7:01:40 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vaquero
No. I'll continue to push for an Article V convention.

/johnny

8 posted on 02/04/2014 7:02:35 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

If term limits are good enough for the President, then they’re good enough for all politicians.


9 posted on 02/04/2014 7:02:40 AM PST by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What’s awful about our sacred document (beside some ill thought out amendments after the Bill of Rights)???


10 posted on 02/04/2014 7:08:57 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
It's a matter of tweaking, not replacing. With a very high bar for ratification.

/johnny

11 posted on 02/04/2014 7:12:10 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vaquero
“Nothing wrong with the constitution except the govt does not follow it. Let’s work on fixing THAT.

LEAVE IT BE!!!”

I have to agree. Besides, a balanced budget amendment would never be used to cut wasteful spending. It WILL be used to raise the tax burden to the sky.

12 posted on 02/04/2014 7:12:50 AM PST by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: peyton randolph

My God! What on Earth does it take to get the notion through to folks that NOBODY who matters is proposing a Constitutional Convention!

People keep repeating this lie and there’s no excuse for it.


13 posted on 02/04/2014 7:16:12 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Vaquero

Nobody says it “awful”. If you want to go after an issue, OK, but don’t create a “straw man”.


14 posted on 02/04/2014 7:17:37 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Vaquero
NO US Constitutional Convention....

NO! NO! NO! NO!

Agreed. It would become a free-for-all circus.

Why do we need a convention to propose even MORE rules that Democrats will just ignore as usual?

15 posted on 02/04/2014 7:20:02 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Sopater; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Wisconsin legislative committee will vote on Constitutional Convention proposal TODAY

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


16 posted on 02/04/2014 7:27:54 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: JRandomFreeper
Do you think 3/4s of the states would ratify amendments to gut the Bill of Rights?


Every Demonrat state would. That's half right there.

The rest would be done unconstitutionally with the media providing cover on how the amendments needed to be ratified "for the greater good," "fairness," etc.

For example, the race card is a good way for a judge to circumvent states' rights on any matter, particularly southern states. Done all the time, and there are Republican idiots in Congress (Yankees) who support it under the false banner of "civil rights."

17 posted on 02/04/2014 7:28:25 AM PST by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: Jacquerie; Baynative

Article V ping.


18 posted on 02/04/2014 7:31:44 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: John Valentine
NOBODY who matters is proposing a Constitutional Convention

It's actually supported by plenty of FReepers.

I'm not a fan of the idea but don't they matter?

This is particularly true when you consider how many conservative "leaders" lurk or post here without revealing their identities.

Regardless, the idea itself is being debated among conservatives as a solution. Dismissing it by claiming the proponents are irrelevant doesn't make the idea go away.

19 posted on 02/04/2014 7:35:16 AM PST by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: peyton randolph
Judges aren't involved in an Article V convention.

/johnny

20 posted on 02/04/2014 7:36:58 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: peyton randolph
And Congress isn't involved in the actual Article V convention. Only the States.

/johnny

21 posted on 02/04/2014 7:41:43 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: peyton randolph
Constitutional Convention? That will be a disaster.

I suspect that you are right.
22 posted on 02/04/2014 7:52:44 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Judges aren't involved in an Article V convention.

You can bet they will be. 

Hypothetical 1: A Soros-funded leftwing group sues the State of Texas in a court presided over by a hack Dimwit federal judge appointed to the district court by Obama. The group demands certification as Texas' convention delegates based on the many invisible emanating penumbras from the U.S. Constitution that always seem to find new rights for leftwing causes. Given how it usually works today, it will be done to protect civil rights because Texas is de facto a racist state (per the U.S. Justice Dep't) because of the Civil War.

The Dem federal judge rubber stamps these clowns as the delegates.

Because the appellate process is likely to take years, a bunch of socialists head to the convention to represent Soros' agenda as Texas' delegates.

Hypothetical 2: Soros and Bloomberg fund federal civil rights lawsuits in every state that might send conservatives as delegates to a ConCon. Dem federal judges invalidate the delegates immediately prior to the convention. The ConCon takes place with delegates only from socialist regimes like California, Illinois, and New York.

23 posted on 02/04/2014 7:56:20 AM PST by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: peyton randolph
There is no provision for that in Article V. You can make up all kind of straw men, but the words in Article V stand.

/johnny

24 posted on 02/04/2014 8:00:40 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: John Valentine
My God! What on Earth does it take to get the notion through to folks that NOBODY who matters is proposing a Constitutional Convention!

Is that because you believe that anyone who proposes a Constitutional Convention doesn't matter?
25 posted on 02/04/2014 8:01:06 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: peyton randolph
Not only do the courts not have ANY jurisdiction over an Article V convention, 2/3ds of States are required to propose an amendment. And then 3/4s to ratify it.

So your straw men are meaningless.

/johnny

26 posted on 02/04/2014 8:05:14 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sopater

The US Government was formed by the states and it can be taken apart by the states. An article 5 convention is exactly what is needed since those in the NOOR LOCH are no longer holding to their oath of office.

I am for the convention, for nullification, and am for secession if the former fails.


27 posted on 02/04/2014 8:08:31 AM PST by crz
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To: Vaquero
And the large majority -- likely nearly all -- of those who would participate in such a convention (and in the state ratifying conventions) will have far less knowledge, far less real-world experience and, most importantly, far, far less wisdom than did the Founders.

It is frightening nearly beyond words to think that this would create an opportunity for these convention members -- dis-educated in the public schools and indoctrinated in American universities -- to tinker with the inner workings of our great Constitution.

28 posted on 02/04/2014 8:14:31 AM PST by glennaro
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To: JRandomFreeper
You can make up all kind of straw men, but the words in Article V stand.

You can pretend the Constitution will be followed for an Article V ConCon. It's pleasantly naive.

Here's the real question.

Why would Obama, the Congress, the federal judiciary, Democrats, GOPe, media, the unions, etc. follow the constitutional requirements for a ConCon that's against their interests?

29 posted on 02/04/2014 8:16:14 AM PST by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: peyton randolph
None of them are involved in an Article V convention. States only.

/johnny

30 posted on 02/04/2014 8:17:13 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vaquero
I have a faith and belief that good will triumph over liberal evil.

We have the growing Convention of States movement that was secured for us by Article V of the Constitution. Those that wish to ignore this firm element of our country's founding a deserving of the tyranny that is surely coming our way.

31 posted on 02/04/2014 9:10:30 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

Repeal the 17th Amendment.


32 posted on 02/04/2014 9:47:42 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Baynative

read #28.....I did not write it but is says it all


33 posted on 02/04/2014 10:55:35 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero; glennaro
"read #28...

This is NOT about a constitutional convention and the controls to prevent hijacking and mob rule are spelled out clearly in the links I posted earlier.

The talks so far have almost all been focused on budget constraints and fiscal solvency. But there have been discussions about such things as requiring that congressional bills have no earmarks and deal with a single issue only and that all bills must include the names of who wrote the bill as well as sponsors.

If you are interested in what is really going on you can learn a lot by spending some time looking through the postings here.

34 posted on 02/04/2014 11:15:45 AM PST by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
No. I'll continue to push for an Article V convention.

Perfect!!!

35 posted on 02/04/2014 12:01:34 PM PST by Jacquerie (To destroy America, destroy Christianity.)
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...

Article V ping!


36 posted on 02/04/2014 12:02:58 PM PST by Jacquerie (To destroy America, destroy Christianity.)
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To: peyton randolph
From your screen name alone, I'd like to think you are knowledgeable of our revolutionary and constitutional history.

The states are very aware of what ails our republic. They endure it from both ends. They have pissant bureaucrats from DC pushing them and their constituents around. Said constituents complain to state reps who have no ability to correct the problem.

Nothing is guaranteed, but I know that over half the states filed suit against Obamacare. AZ was told it couldn't defend its southern border. States around the nation are so much as told not to identify voters. The media purposely avoid our nascent resistance movement. Good. Let it build below the national radar.

So I believe the states know they can perhaps regain the power taken away from them 101 years ago. I doubt the states will dance around the edges, for structural reforms are needed and they know it, regardless of party.

Structural changes, like repeal of the 17th cannot be ignored.

If, as you predict, the states will weasel around amendments, we'll be no worse off, for America 2014 is a police state.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 12:09:31 PM PST by Jacquerie (To destroy America, destroy Christianity.)
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To: Sopater
Grrrrr...

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38 posted on 02/04/2014 12:13:27 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Irenic

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No3_Rogersonline.pdf


39 posted on 02/04/2014 12:13:43 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: glennaro
And the large majority -- likely nearly all -- of those who would participate in such a convention (and in the state ratifying conventions) will have far less knowledge, far less real-world experience and, most importantly, far, far less wisdom than did the Founders.

Don't be so sure. It doesn't take a genius, let alone a member of the Framing generation to realize our republic is in serious trouble because the people were sold the snake-oil of democracy 101 years ago.

Delegates (not reps) will show up with commissions, with defined limits to their voting power. Indiana's directive to delegates is backed up with felony sanctions for violations.

40 posted on 02/04/2014 12:21:01 PM PST by Jacquerie (To destroy America, destroy Christianity.)
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To: John Valentine

Because in every public forum, there are knee jerk, know it alls who have NO DESIRE to educate themselves into the workings of the Constitution... An “Article V convention for the proposal of amendments” is NOT NOT NOT a “con-con”...

Even some Freepers (or those who claim to be) sound like uneducated, emotional DU’ers... Disappointing...

EDUCATE YOURSELVES to the sacred document you defend. It’s Article V...

http://www.conventionofstates.com/


41 posted on 02/04/2014 12:24:17 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Say it early & often... Hopefully it will sink in...

http://www.conventionofstates.com/


42 posted on 02/04/2014 12:34:26 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: bfh333
We're in the midst of a constitutional crisis, one in which Marx has warped Madison to the point that America 2014 is a police state, and Article V opponents worry about the outcome of a convention.

There is nothing to lose and everything to gain.

43 posted on 02/04/2014 2:50:17 PM PST by Jacquerie ("Con-con" is for dumb dumbs.)
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To: Irenic

Good link. All should read it.


44 posted on 02/04/2014 3:08:59 PM PST by Jacquerie (Constitutions are to governments as laws are to the people.)
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To: Vaquero

That is precisely what we intend to fix. This will be accomplished by such ideas as repealing the 17 amendment. Passing an amendment that empowers the states to override the federal government by say two-thirds or three quarters of the states voting to override. I believe the cos will meet initially to pass one amendment. It will either be a balanced budget amendment or the repeal of the 17th amendment. If the initial cos goes fairly smoothly there will be additional conventions to address other issues. Baby steps.


45 posted on 02/04/2014 5:42:04 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: John Valentine

Most folks I talk to believe it is a constitutional convention. If you can get them to listen you can get past that hurdle. Then you run up against the runaway convention / hijacked convention argument. And on and on. And these are conservatives. In the end as arguments are stripped away the final come back is it will never happen. And if it does nothing will ever be ratified. Man...


46 posted on 02/04/2014 5:49:06 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Sopater

If some who mattered, someone with any degree of credibility at all, proposed a Constitutional Convention, then yes, that person would lose all credibility and would become a person who does not matter. At least to me.


47 posted on 02/04/2014 7:27:11 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: peyton randolph
Regardless, the idea itself is being debated among conservatives as a solution.

No. It certainly is not debated among ANY conservatives I know, read, converse with, or who has in any way come into the range of my perception.

48 posted on 02/04/2014 7:29:01 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Nuc 1.1

Baby steps mean amendments. You will allow the Dhimmicrats and their minions in the MSM to hijack the convention and the Boners and McConnells to march in lockstep with them.

Please wake up.


49 posted on 02/05/2014 4:27:54 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Respectfully disagree with your conclusion.


50 posted on 02/05/2014 5:39:58 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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