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‘SCIENCE GUY’ BILL NYE VS. CREATIONIST KEN HAM: WHO WILL WIN ....DEBATE OVER DARWINIAN EVOLUTION?
Blaze ^ | 2-4-14 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 02/04/2014 10:12:04 AM PST by Oliviaforever

There’s been no shortage of controversy surrounding Tuesday’s debate between “Science Guy” Bill Nye and creationist Ken Ham. While some evolutionary theorists and atheists have chastised Nye for his willingness to publicly face-off against Ham, the former PBS host hasn’t been swayed by their arguments.

Instead, Nye has defended his decision to appear at the event, which will be held at the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky. — and in an op-ed published on CNN.com Monday, Ham, too, reiterated his own personal quest to use the debate to give creationism a more public voice.

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Praying and feeling confident that Ken Ham of the Creation Museum will lead America one step closer to unanimously accepting Creation and forever abolishing the so called theory of evolution from our schools and colleges,
1 posted on 02/04/2014 10:12:04 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

We need to be praying for travel mercies for everyone planning to attend this evening too. A nasty combination of heavy snow and ice is headed for the KY-Oh area and it is under a winter storm warning. A group from our church is planning to drive down.


2 posted on 02/04/2014 10:16:25 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Hmmmm. Ham on Nye. A little Dijon mustard and a dill slice and you got a deli lunch ...


3 posted on 02/04/2014 10:16:33 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Oliviaforever

Live stream link

http://debatelive.org/?utm_source=aig-homepage&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=bill-nye-ken-ham-debate-campaign


4 posted on 02/04/2014 10:17:17 AM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Nobody will win, no minds will be changed.

In my opinion they aren’t even arguing about the same thing.

I’m a creationist, I believe God made us just like he said he did, I also believe the Bible is silent on what he was up to before our creation.

Evolutionists see a record of a time before our creation and try force it into a mold that excludes God.

I think all sides will be surprised when we stand before our Creator.


5 posted on 02/04/2014 10:18:24 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: WXRGina

ping


6 posted on 02/04/2014 10:19:24 AM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: Oliviaforever

I don’t think Bill Ny is really much of a science guy, is he? I thought he was an actor/teacher that just did simple experiments for kids.

Am I wrong about this?

This debate may start to look like an episode of Hannity and Colmbs.


7 posted on 02/04/2014 10:20:36 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Wiser now
"A group from our church is planning to drive down."

I hope they make it there safely, see that Science Guy get destroyed and get a chance to explore all the facts and glory of the Creation Museum.


8 posted on 02/04/2014 10:24:12 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

You need to increase your medication - seriously


9 posted on 02/04/2014 10:24:55 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Tenacious 1

After attending Lafayette Elementary and Alice Deal Junior High in the city, he was accepted to the private Sidwell Friends School on a partial scholarship and graduated in 1973.[7][8] He studied mechanical engineering at Cornell University (where one of his professors was Carl Sagan)[9] and graduated with a Bachelor of Science in 1977.[10] Nye occasionally returns to Cornell as a professor to guest lecture introductory level astronomy and human ecology classes.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 10:25:28 AM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Tenacious 1

Nye is a comedian. He created the “Science Guy” character as part of a comedy show in Seattle. He has a degree in engineering, but has no science background.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 10:26:07 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: dangerdoc

I tend to believe God wrote the laws of physics and designed the eternity of our universe (including us). Once the design was in place, pushed the button and creation started with a bang.

I believe Genesis explained creation with simple symbolism that catered to the knowledge and wisdom of his people at the time (10K to 12K years ago). The story came before there was written history and had to be passed down many generations before a medium was developed that would capture it in writing. I believe it is true and the word of God but interpreted factually incorrectly. For instance, I don’t know how long one of God’s days is. How does eternal existence measure “time” before our earth rotated on an axis once every 24 hours?

But I do respect every believers own faith and opinion on the matter.


12 posted on 02/04/2014 10:26:44 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: from occupied ga

All I did was post an article about tonight’s debate and you choose to insult me?


13 posted on 02/04/2014 10:29:42 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

The Stalinist’s at PBS will probably sic the IRS at Hamm.

When you believe in nothing but big goverment you can pretty much do whatever you want...

...your enemies are are the mercy of the unelected ABC regulatory agencies that {enforce} policy by bureaucratic intimidation.

I say that because the IRS silenced another effective creationist public speaker back a few years ago.


14 posted on 02/04/2014 10:29:47 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: logitech

Thank you for the link. Our church a few miles away is showing the simulcast, but we’re all hunkering down for a winter storm that is supposed to hit within the next few hours.


15 posted on 02/04/2014 10:30:18 AM PST by Faith
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To: ealgeone

Cornell used to be known as the founding institution of the Communist Party USA.

Our local Republican State Senator is a Cornell graduate, with a graduate degree in the politics of the environment from Huxley environmental college at WWU.
Several times when I went to him with a concern, he reminded of his background as a way of replying.


16 posted on 02/04/2014 10:31:00 AM PST by Eva
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To: dangerdoc

I think that getting this discussion out there is healthy. There are plenty of people on the edge looking for reconciliation between the commonly accepted “scientific” perspectives vs the Biblical record.

However, even if an undeniable argument can be made for creation there are a huge number of people that will reject the Truth. Accepting the Truth means that they would be subservient to their Maker and they refuse to go down that path.

2 Timothy 4:3-5 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.


17 posted on 02/04/2014 10:31:04 AM PST by ne1410s (Proverbs 17:7 Eloquent lips are unsuited to a godless fool - how much worse lying lips to a ruler!)
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To: Oliviaforever
All I did was post an article about tonight’s debate and you choose to insult me?

LIAR. You also wrote

see that Science Guy get destroyed

18 posted on 02/04/2014 10:32:46 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga; Oliviaforever

Have you ever been to the Creation Museum? I believe Oliviaforever has posted a photo directly from it. It is a wonderful, informative experience for young and old.

Thanks for this post, Oliviaforever!


19 posted on 02/04/2014 10:34:06 AM PST by Faith
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To: Oliviaforever

You can’t “win” when your opponent can make the evidence fit any story he cares to tell.


20 posted on 02/04/2014 10:34:42 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Oliviaforever

Debating Creationism is stupid.
Let me show you why.

All Creationism thought is based on scripture written in Babylon approx. 700bc which was mostly based on stories the Jewish people in exile shared about their culture.

The Earth is older than 4000 years so using scripture to try and validate it is stupid. If its older than 4000 years all of your argument falls apart.

Darwin isn’t totally correct either as major holes exist in his logic. Still debating it is a waste of time.

Don’t we have more important things to do?
Who cares?


21 posted on 02/04/2014 10:34:53 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Wordkraft
He has a degree in engineering, but has no science background.

How do you get an engineering degree without learning science?

Science type classes were a pretty big part of my engineering degree.

22 posted on 02/04/2014 10:35:04 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: from occupied ga

That was not directed to the post where you implied that I was on medication.

And yes, the Science Guy will be destroyed in the debate as he cannot refute the facts of Creation Science.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 10:37:32 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Zathras
All Creationism thought is based on scripture written in Babylon approx. 700bc which was mostly based on stories the Jewish people in exile shared about their culture.

No. The book of Genesis was written by Moses inspired by the Holy Spirit during a period of approximately 1450 to 1410 B.C.

24 posted on 02/04/2014 10:40:27 AM PST by Faith
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To: Oliviaforever

He was probably overreacting to the word “unanimously”. It does seem a bit unrealistic.
Or perhaps he was reacting to “so called theory”, as if evolution somehow doesn’t qualify as a theory.


25 posted on 02/04/2014 10:40:30 AM PST by conejo99
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To: Faith

No it wasn’t.
Look into Jewish history instead of Christian History.


26 posted on 02/04/2014 10:42:18 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Oliviaforever
Science Vs. Superstition...Hummm
27 posted on 02/04/2014 10:43:13 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: BigCinBigD

I can’t imagine what you think you will gain by insulting the lady.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 10:45:40 AM PST by conejo99
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To: Oliviaforever
Are you saying that you didn't write it?

That was not directed to the post where you implied that I was on medication

No, you misunderstood. I meant to imply that you NEEDED TO BE on medication, because of the fanatic frenzied tone of your posts.

29 posted on 02/04/2014 10:47:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: conejo99

It should be an interesting debate.


30 posted on 02/04/2014 10:47:20 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: from occupied ga

I’m sorry if you find my posts to have a frenzied tone.

Could you please let me know how my post about a debate has a frenzied tone?


31 posted on 02/04/2014 10:49:49 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Zathras
Look into Jewish history instead of Christian History.

Jesus Himself, ascribes Moses as the author of the Law, which means Torah, synonymous with the first 5 books of the Bible. That's really all I need to know.

32 posted on 02/04/2014 10:50:36 AM PST by Faith
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To: Oliviaforever
Sorry but evolution as taught is incorrect science. ... ...
Question: With genetic engineering (Frankenfood, ect.) the the creation of new species of life is a given, and most in the scientific community believe the creation of life will be a reality. .so given that at some point there will be created life ..what test is there to determined if any given lifeform is created or evolve. ..
The point is I do not dispute the evolution of life I simply point out creation of life is also a given or will be..and there is no direct test to distinguish between the two...the only test would be secondary. ..to look at the fossil record. .and in that one would expect created would be in burst vs evolution being more linear...
33 posted on 02/04/2014 10:55:15 AM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: Zathras

When God created man he did so as a fully developed mature being. God did not raise Adam and Eve from a baby.

If He were to create the earth wouldn’t it make sense that he would create a planet fully formed and mature?


34 posted on 02/04/2014 10:55:58 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Oliviaforever
If you don't see it, I don't think I can help. You might have sait somthing like "I'm confident that ham will triumph over nye." but that would be cheesy.

Personally I think not a single person on either side will be moved by the debate.

35 posted on 02/04/2014 10:56:40 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Tenacious 1
I don’t think Bill Nye is really much of a science guy, is he? I thought he was an actor/teacher that just did simple experiments for kids.

That's my understanding too. He used to be a regular on the Almost Live show in Seattle 25 years ago - I'd heard that is where he got his start as the "Science Guy."

The hardcore scientists ought to rethink their criticisms of Nye doing this debate. If he is perceived as the winner, their side won. If he loses, they can easily point out that Ham only beat their JV squad. I'm predicting that the debate will produce a lot more heat than light. On the science, there will be no winner - the issues are too complex to be adequately resolved in the limited time frame of the debate. However, the debate can be won on the public relations side. I hope that Ken Ham comes across as a knowledgeable Christian gentleman (and suppresses his tendency toward sarcasm) while Bill Nye reveals his mean spirit (which I have been told by an acquaintance of his is always ready to bubble to the surface).

36 posted on 02/04/2014 10:58:55 AM PST by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Oliviaforever
“Instead, I want to show people that this belief is still among us … it finds its way onto school boards in the United States.”

Not sure what was left out of this quote, but this makes Nye sound like a bigot who is concerned that an opposing belief is not yet stamped out.

37 posted on 02/04/2014 11:00:52 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Oliviaforever

That was not directed to the post where you implied that I was on medication.

...the individual you’re responding to clearly has a problem being civil, and is apparently content to remain so...suggest you simply dismiss him or her...

...and I’m sure the Creation Museum is an interesting place to visit...but if Hamm’s premise is based on a young earth theory, I’ll have to take my leave...geological time is not measured in thousands of years, but in millions upon millions...


38 posted on 02/04/2014 11:01:36 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Tenacious 1

“I don’t think Bill Ny is really much of a science guy, is he? I thought he was an actor/teacher that just did simple experiments for kids. Am I wrong about this?”

You are correct. Any evolutionist who completed HS biology or chemistry is considered a scientist. A creationist with advanced degrees in biology and/or chemistry is a troglodyte.


39 posted on 02/04/2014 11:01:37 AM PST by Leonard210 (Viva Perot)
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To: Wordkraft
He has a degree in engineering, but has no science background.

I don't believe Nye has any serious engineering or science background.

Nye is a far, far, far left puke who is rabid in his belief that climate change is caused solely by man.

Whatever you read about his background is probably lies put out to make this fraud seem smart.

If read Nye blatherings they are all extreme leftist talking points.

40 posted on 02/04/2014 11:02:08 AM PST by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Oliviaforever

Neither will win.

When has a Creation vs. Evolution argument ever been settled to everyone’s satisfaction?


41 posted on 02/04/2014 11:02:32 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: dangerdoc
Yup, people believe what they WANT to believe and then force the evidence to fit their world view, but then they also add mockery, scoffing, arrogance, ridicule, rudeness, and insults to the mix and feel that makes them superior somehow.

Superior aholes perhaps....

Yeah, I'm a hypocrite =)

42 posted on 02/04/2014 11:06:59 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: Oliviaforever
“DEBATE OVER DARWINIAN EVOLUTION”

Actually there is no such thing as “Darwinian Evolution”. Darwin observed different species. He was a follower of Lamarck who advanced the theory that people's behavior would influence the genetic characteristics of their descendants. For example, Lamarck postulated that the blacksmith who did hard physical labor would have muscular children. This is also known as Use and Disuse Evolution and soft evolution. Darwin's famous book, On the Origin of the Species, was published in 1859.

Since then, the experiments of first Gregor Mendel and then others have provided a knowledge of how genetics actually works. In the theories of evolution, genetic mutations later replaced soft evolution which combined with natural selection was said to cause cross species evolution. This is the theory evolutionists use today.

We know now that genetic mutations could not possibly have caused things like the evolution of the human eye and other advances. Therefore, evolutionists compare their theories to the literal reading of the Book of Genesis, not to modern science.

You are given the false choice; either every part of the Book of Genesis is true and the earth is less than 5000 years old or else evolution is true. This is the state of debate on evolution today.

43 posted on 02/04/2014 11:07:46 AM PST by detective
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To: thackney
How do you get an engineering degree without learning science? Science type classes were a pretty big part of my engineering degree.

If Nye states he has an Engineering degree, he is most likely lying. See my post#40. Nye is a far left fraud.

I have multiple engineering degrees -- science and advanced mathematics were a very big part of the curriculum.

44 posted on 02/04/2014 11:09:18 AM PST by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: Faith

And still the Earth is more than 4000 years old.
See how debating this is stupid.

I’m not saying YOU are stupid or your faith is wrong.
The debate is pointless since Faith can never be proven.

If you’ve never been to Israel, I suggest you find a way to go visit. The people are very nice and you will see strange things which confirm scripture and others which say “Ok that’s impossible”.

They call it “The Probable, The Possible and The Impossible tour”

For instance, much of the Probable is in Galilee. You will see the town Peter lived, where Jesus did the sermon on the mount. Even local Jews believe this happened near these locations.

The Garden of Gethsemane is also highly considered Probable.
The description matches portions of Scripture and it has been there a long time.

On the Impossible side is many (but not all) of the Churches built in the Old City on Religious sites. Most were built in 1400 AD based on rumor and Religious tradition.


45 posted on 02/04/2014 11:12:34 AM PST by Zathras
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To: sand88
If Nye states he has an Engineering degree, he is most likely lying.

I don't see Cornell University allowing guest lectures and other work at their university by a guy falsly claiming to receiving his mechanical engineering degree from them. Carl Sagan was one of his professors.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2011/08/bill-nye-77-harnesses-sun-rhodes-hall-clock

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2014/01/10-years-martians-rovers-unveil-true-grit

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/10/dedication-sagan-planet-walk-set-nov-8

46 posted on 02/04/2014 11:17:47 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Oliviaforever

Humans and dinosaurs living together is ‘fact’? Seriously?


47 posted on 02/04/2014 11:21:10 AM PST by Fuzz
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To: Tenacious 1
For instance, I don’t know how long one of God’s days is. How does eternal existence measure “time” before our earth rotated on an axis once every 24 hours?

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

48 posted on 02/04/2014 11:25:44 AM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: thackney

Mr Ham believes the world was created about 6000 not 4000 years ago. Noah’s flood was around 4000 years ago.


49 posted on 02/04/2014 11:35:00 AM PST by cotton
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To: Faith
No. The book of Genesis was written by Moses inspired by the Holy Spirit during a period of approximately 1450 to 1410 B.C.

The stories in Genesis start long before Moses. History suggests that the first writing of Genesis (or what would become part of Genesis was 700BC-ish. Moses certainly knew the stories and likely taught them, as generations of Hebrews before him had.

I do believe the Bible is the Word of God, written to transcend all levels of knowledge, culture and language. But the story of creation had a very early audience. Simplicity, symbolism and parable was a logical teaching tool (in my opinion). Had God tried to explain gravity to Hebrews in 10,000 BC, he may have lost his audience early.

50 posted on 02/04/2014 11:36:52 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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