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Pope: 'unjust' unemployment can mean sin, suicide
Assoc. Press ^ | 02/04/2014 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 02/04/2014 1:29:58 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope Francis extolled the benefits of sharing wealth with the poor on Tuesday, warning that "unjust" social conditions like unemployment can lead to sin, financial ruin and even suicide.

The Jesuit pope has frequently railed about the excesses of capitalism and income disparity in a globalized world, and his message for Lent issued Tuesday echoed those same concerns

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"When power, luxury and money become idols, they take priority over the need for a fair distribution of wealth," he said in the short message. "Our consciences thus need to be converted to justice, equality, simplicity and sharing."

He said it's not enough to just make charitable offerings. ""Let us not forget that real poverty hurts: no self-denial is real without this dimension of penance. I distrust a charity that costs nothing and does not hurt," he wrote.

~snip~

Francis has riled some conservative Americans for his denunciation of capitalism and trickle-down economic theory, which is says is based on a survival of the fittest mentality "where the powerful feed upon the powerless" with no regard for ethics, the environment or even God.

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Is this from the Vatican? Or the Democrat Party Platform?
1 posted on 02/04/2014 1:29:58 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is nothing but “Social Justice” BS.

I’m sorry, there I said it.


2 posted on 02/04/2014 1:33:24 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes...


3 posted on 02/04/2014 1:33:45 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s from the AP ... what do you think? ;-)


4 posted on 02/04/2014 1:34:13 PM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Colonel_Flagg
"When power, luxury and money become idols, they take priority over the need for a fair distribution of wealth," he said in the short message. "Our consciences thus need to be converted to justice, equality, simplicity and sharing."

Is this from the Vatican? Or the Democrat Party Platform?

IB4TPWM

5 posted on 02/04/2014 1:35:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Responsibility2nd

As an economist, the Pope makes a good theologian and moralist. Like everybody else, he should stick to what he knows. It’s not economics. We live in a world of scarce resources. Only one thing will end that condition of scarcity, and the Pope is very well equipped to speak on that subject. I doubt he sees the connection.


6 posted on 02/04/2014 1:35:35 PM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Perhaps if we had a government that backs businesses and extolls the virtues of working and making money instead of pushing “income inequality”, maybe we wouldn’t have unjust unemployment?


7 posted on 02/04/2014 1:38:09 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

How about cashing in a few tons of gold and jewels from your headquarters and doling out some money to the masses?


8 posted on 02/04/2014 1:39:16 PM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
When power, luxury and money become idols ...

Translation ... greed. I really don't think he's against capitalism as a financial model. His problem is with greedy individuals that corrupt the whole thing.

9 posted on 02/04/2014 1:39:17 PM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c

Another bird-brained leftie reporter trying to understand the Catholic Church.


10 posted on 02/04/2014 1:39:51 PM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Responsibility2nd

First it was D.C. now the Vatican acting as field offices for the Soviet Kremlin.


11 posted on 02/04/2014 1:40:03 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: al_c

If you are right, then payday loan companies and credit card firms with 38% compounding interest are in for a very interesting few years.


12 posted on 02/04/2014 1:42:20 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Responsibility2nd

With a Pope who has a ‘social justice’ mentality, it is likely one and the same....considering all issues at the Vatican in the past several decades. I am surprised at his almost open support of Obama policies.


13 posted on 02/04/2014 1:43:54 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Responsibility2nd

“the need for a fair distribution of wealth,” “

Does he define what is ‘fair’?


14 posted on 02/04/2014 1:44:35 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: headstamp 2

“I’m sorry, there I said it.”

You needn’t apologize, because it’s the truth! The Pope is from Argentina. Just look at the political history of that country. The Pope needs to buy a clue!


15 posted on 02/04/2014 1:47:28 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Responsibility2nd

If somebody is really to BLAME for the “unfair” distribution of wealth, then have the guts to point out WHO is to blame.

Or shut up.


16 posted on 02/04/2014 1:47:29 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Responsibility2nd

When is this socialist pig going to shut his pie hole?


17 posted on 02/04/2014 1:48:17 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: headstamp 2
I’m sorry, there I said it.

Well, that settles it then.
18 posted on 02/04/2014 1:50:24 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Responsibility2nd

Holy Father, employment is “just” if employer and employee agree to the terms of the job and the wages.


19 posted on 02/04/2014 1:50:45 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: dainbramaged

“How about cashing in a few tons of gold and jewels from your headquarters and doling out some money to the masses?”

You beat me to it.

The artworks alone must be worth billions.

Hypocrisy and liberalism seem to go hand in hand.

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20 posted on 02/04/2014 1:51:36 PM PST by Mears
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m sorry but what exactly is “unjust unemployment” anyway?


21 posted on 02/04/2014 1:51:48 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

I’m sorry but what exactly is “unjust unemployment” anyway?

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I’m thinking it’s pope-speak for $7.25 an hour.


22 posted on 02/04/2014 1:55:06 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: al_c

No rich person is able to hurt the poor by worshiping money, luxury, or power. It is only with the aid of GOVERNMENT POWER that greedy capitalists are able to cause major injustice.

Nothing the Pope has said about economic matters has been enlightening or useful. He cites certain vices. So what?

All he accomplishes is to give oxygen to statists.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 1:55:31 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: TexasGator

Someone will have to define “fair”... I volunteer!

Just give me all the power I need to implement my version of “fair”, and trust me not to be corrupted by it.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 1:55:54 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“How much pain is caused in families because one of their members - often a young person - is in thrall to alcohol, drugs, gambling and pornography!”


25 posted on 02/04/2014 1:56:03 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: JimRed

I would point him towards the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, but then that guy would jump on here and start yelling that I was a Protestant again.


26 posted on 02/04/2014 1:56:59 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Responsibility2nd

No wonder this pope is getting to be so popular with the media

Did he mention whether is was OK to steal from people to ‘share’ their weath?


27 posted on 02/04/2014 1:58:03 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Here is the text of Pope Francis’ Lenten Message for 2014, which reflects on the theme: “He became poor, so that by his poverty you might become rich (cf. 2 Cor. 8:9)

“....

We might think that this “way” of poverty was Jesus’ way, whereas we who come after him can save the world with the right kind of human resources. This is not the case. In every time and place God continues to save mankind and the world through the poverty of Christ, who makes himself poor in the sacraments, in his word and in his Church, which is a people of the poor. God’s wealth passes not through our wealth, but invariably and exclusively through our personal and communal poverty, enlivened by the Spirit of Christ.

In imitation of our Master, we Christians are called to confront the poverty of our brothers and sisters, to touch it, to make it our own and to take practical steps to alleviate it. Destitution is not the same as poverty: destitution is poverty without faith, without support, without hope. There are three types of destitution: material, moral and spiritual. Material destitution is what is normally called poverty, and affects those living in conditions opposed to human dignity: those who lack basic rights and needs such as food, water, hygiene, work and the opportunity to develop and grow culturally. In response to this destitution, the Church offers her help, her diakonia, in meeting these needs and binding these wounds which disfigure the face of humanity. In the poor and outcast we see Christ’s face; by loving and helping the poor, we love and serve Christ. Our efforts are also directed to ending violations of human dignity, discrimination and abuse in the world, for these are so often the cause of destitution. When power, luxury and money become idols, they take priority over the need for a fair distribution of wealth. Our consciences thus need to be converted to justice, equality, simplicity and sharing.

No less a concern is moral destitution, which consists in slavery to vice and sin. How much pain is caused in families because one of their members – often a young person - is in thrall to alcohol, drugs, gambling or pornography! How many people no longer see meaning in life or prospects for the future, how many have lost hope! And how many are plunged into this destitution by unjust social conditions, by unemployment, which takes away their dignity as breadwinners, and by lack of equal access to education and health care. In such cases, moral destitution can be considered impending suicide. This type of destitution, which also causes financial ruin, is invariably linked to the spiritual destitution which we experience when we turn away from God and reject his love. If we think we don’t need God who reaches out to us though Christ, because we believe we can make do on our own, we are headed for a fall. God alone can truly save and free us.

The Gospel is the real antidote to spiritual destitution: wherever we go, we are called as Christians to proclaim the liberating news that forgiveness for sins committed is possible, that God is greater than our sinfulness, that he freely loves us at all times and that we were made for communion and eternal life. The Lord asks us to be joyous heralds of this message of mercy and hope! It is thrilling to experience the joy of spreading this good news, sharing the treasure entrusted to us, consoling broken hearts and offering hope to our brothers and sisters experiencing darkness. It means following and imitating Jesus, who sought out the poor and sinners as a shepherd lovingly seeks his lost sheep. In union with Jesus, we can courageously open up new paths of evangelization and human promotion.

Dear brothers and sisters, may this Lenten season find the whole Church ready to bear witness to all those who live in material, moral and spiritual destitution the Gospel message of the merciful love of God our Father, who is ready to embrace everyone in Christ. We can so this to the extent that we imitate Christ who became poor and enriched us by his poverty. Lent is a fitting time for self-denial; we would do well to ask ourselves what we can give up in order to help and enrich others by our own poverty. Let us not forget that real poverty hurts: no self-denial is real without this dimension of penance. I distrust a charity that costs nothing and does not hurt...”

Full text at the link

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/pope-francis-lenten-message-2014

Not as bad as it will be blogged to be, but this Pope really ought to stay away from economic analysis.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 1:58:50 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: onyx

The Pope asks a good question.

But for him to blame our low minumum wage, our unfair distribution of wealth or other “unfair social conditions” is ridiculous.


29 posted on 02/04/2014 2:01:28 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Mr Rogers

I suppose I’ll add:

I am concerned about unjust unemployment too. I think those who insist on a minimum wage and who give handouts to people without regard for their ability to work CAUSE unemployment, and do so unjustly - so labor unions and government workers and politicians can increase their power without regard for the havoc their unjust policies cause.

However, I doubt the Pope would agree with my interpretation of “unjust unemployment”...


30 posted on 02/04/2014 2:02:12 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hey POPE!

might want to check out:

2 Thessalonians 3:10

“If a man will not work, he shall not eat”

take THAT you socialist in a robe!


31 posted on 02/04/2014 2:05:44 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: onyx

He was speaking of moral destitution in that statement (as stated in the previous paragraph).


32 posted on 02/04/2014 2:06:15 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Mr. K

Rome has supported that idea for decades.

“Most people recognize the financial crisis in the Western world. What is not acknowledged, however, is the Papal agenda that has worsened the situation; for example, the Vatican social teaching that denies the biblical meaning of private property. Accordingly, Pope John Paul II stated, “Private property, in fact, is under a ‘social mortgage,’ which means that it has an intrinsically social function, based upon and justified precisely by the principle of the universal destination of goods.” Benedict XVI wholly sanctions this principle of the universal ownership of all goods as he demonstrated the same policy in the writings of popes Leo XIII, Pius XI, John XXIII, and Paul VI. Another Vatican Council II document upholds the same principle of the “universal ownership of all goods” and emphatically teaches, “If one is in extreme necessity, he has the right to procure for himself what he needs out of the riches of others.”

http://www.bereanbeacon.org/article/sorted/01_On_Catholicism/Financial%20Crisis%20and%20the%20Papal%20Economic%20Offensive.doc


33 posted on 02/04/2014 2:06:22 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Responsibility2nd

I have several issues with this Pope.
That’s all I’m willing to say.


34 posted on 02/04/2014 2:06:24 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: al_c
Translation ... greed. I really don't think he's against capitalism as a financial model. His problem is with greedy individuals that corrupt the whole thing.

What system is free of greed? When they start talking "greed" they're talking about Capitalism. This Pope is way off on economic issues.
35 posted on 02/04/2014 2:06:30 PM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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To: Alex Murphy

lol


36 posted on 02/04/2014 2:07:36 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Patriotic1

Right.

At least he didn’t mention “prisoners” today.


37 posted on 02/04/2014 2:07:43 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: dainbramaged

Winner


38 posted on 02/04/2014 2:08:16 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Responsibility2nd
His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, however, espoused the exact same concerns, writing an entire encyclical in 2009 in which he denounced the profit-at-all-cost mentality blamed for bringing about the global financial meltdown and called for a new world financial order guided by ethics and the search for the common good.

As a Christian, do you not bring your ethics and morality into the 9-5 world? Not everyone does, and cheating and law-breaking result.

I look at China with them locking people in buildings, child labor, putting plastic in food therefore killing babies and our pets, etc. and see that the Pope and PE B16 has some very important things to say. It's not always about us (USA) but the whole world.

Don't forget, this was written with a leftist AP spin.

39 posted on 02/04/2014 2:09:55 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: onyx

I must have missed that reference....


40 posted on 02/04/2014 2:12:08 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Mears

In order for it to be worth “billions,” someone must pay billions.

Then, Mr. Gotrocks will have a bunch of artwork on his hands.

What should he do with it? Why, SELL IT, and give the money to the poor!

To whom can he sell it? Someone else who can pay billions.

And then, what should he do with it? Why, SELL IT, and give the money to the poor!

The only solution to the problem created by the Pieta is to SMASH IT. Then there won’t be anyone who can be scolded: “You should sell that and give the money to the poor.”


41 posted on 02/04/2014 2:12:51 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Responsibility2nd
In the United States, poverty doesn't have much if anything to do with money.


42 posted on 02/04/2014 2:13:28 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Mr Rogers

Yup. Obamacare itself is “unjust unemployment” as explained by the letter from the Texas opthalmologist the other day. Forced servitude.


43 posted on 02/04/2014 2:17:54 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Sooth2222

I don’t have a VCR. You people owe me money. BTT


44 posted on 02/04/2014 2:18:52 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Sooth2222
Percentage of Poor U.S. Households Which Have Various Amenities

Great chart, and 2005 to boot! 98% have TV, 78% have air conditioning, 64% have TV and cable, 55% have a cell phone, and 29% have TV and a video game system.

45 posted on 02/04/2014 2:21:56 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Sooth2222
It's those Amish translators again!

(...oh, wait...wrong thread).

Leni

46 posted on 02/04/2014 2:23:20 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Responsibility2nd

Dear Pope Francis:

Whatever happened to free will?


47 posted on 02/04/2014 2:23:36 PM PST by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: Patriotic1

Don’t forget, this was written with a leftist AP spin.

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Yep, and I excerpted it to create reactions like what we’re seeing.

But still... I did include exact quotes from the Pope himself. His own words condemn him.


48 posted on 02/04/2014 2:26:44 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Right. Again I say: FREE WILL, FREE WILL, FREE WILL.

And as my dear sainted mother would say: “God helps those who help themselves!”


49 posted on 02/04/2014 2:28:47 PM PST by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is true, but his words taken in context makes it less worse.


50 posted on 02/04/2014 2:31:43 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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