Skip to comments.Justice Antonin Scalia says World War II-style internment camps could happen again
Posted on 02/04/2014 2:11:03 PM PST by ColdOne
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Actually, I meant the mainland United States, the focus seemed to be only on the areas where the US could be hurt, inland.
My secretary graduated high school at Manzanar and her husband was at Tule Lake. neither family connected to anyone. Second generation Americans.
When the J-As were taken from Florin by Sacramento they were mostly farmers. They were given 24 hours to grab a suitcase.
At the Smithsonian they had an exhibit of the interment camps with a photo of the Florin reunion from the 30s. My secretary is in that photo. It was a panoramic crowd shot of them all standing out in the field. She had that photo on her desktop at work.
When they got reparations, her family got $20-30,000 each; her, her husband and her mother who was still alive. Their land was valued at $1.1 million at the time, but not theirs since the day they were sent away.
If you think they were interred for their connections or some other nefarious reason, you don’t know what the hell you’re taking about.
Years ago I asked a Japanese American (who talked like any Southern redneck because that’s how he was raised) what it was like for him & his family immediately following Pearl Harbor.
He replied, “Well.....let’s just say that on December 8th 1941, we all became Irish-Americans with yellow jaundice!”
So let me get this straight: George W implores guv Blanko to let him send in some NG 3 days before Katrina landfell, and she refuses over political dereliction of duty and 1300+ die.
But states are going to let Fed troops come in and camp their citizens, the ones most likely to be able to help restore order?
Rather than go that route, why don't you just give us an uneducated guess as to why the Japanese residing in our country were detained, unharmed by the way, following their attack on our Pearl Harbor?
I know, to you it's probably thinking outside the box but give it a try.......
Not while I’m still breathing...
Have always believed since an early age, that History has a way of repeating ... Wish I was surprised though. Would make everything so much easier to be stupid. I’ll just walk through after they kill me to no surprise. I will worry about everyone else more than me, especially the stupid.
Police didn’t shoot the family dog. Heads will roll! Obviously lack of training. / sarc
Well the list of who, probably starts right here.
Koramatsu is still good precedent.
Scalia’s a good one. Definitely on our side of things.
Of course FDR was a racist. American war propaganda was racist as well.
Dr. Suess explicitly supported putting the Japs in concentration camps in his cartoons:
http://www.tofugu.com/2013/02/20/dr-seuss/ (scroll about 1/3 down).
A review of the facts of Japanese behavior in places like Nanjing and Bataan makes the anti-Japanese sentiment understandable. It doesn’t excuse putting American citizens in concentration camps.
Takes more than this apparently.
To my knowledge, there was only one high-ranking politician who spoke out against internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps: Governor Ralph Lawrence Carr, who said:
“If you harm them, you must harm me. I was brought up in a small town where I knew the shame and dishonor of race hatred. I grew to despise it because it threatened the happiness of you and you and you.”
He lost his next election.
“human nature has not changed that much”
It hasn’t changed in thousands of years- at all.
Only our circumstances have changed, thanks to grace and our hard work.
Given the same circumstances whatever Man did in the past he will repeat.
D@mn straight it was racial, we were attacked by the most racist society on the planet.
No one ever buts into other peoples civil wars, right?
Both are currently a decidedly minority, but if Japan had managed to invade the West Coast, then what might have happened. The same will be true of the other group, as evidenced by history.
I had a Brother-In law that survived Bataan so tell me again how tough we made it on the detainees?
Tell you what, one good missile strike means you don’t have to use the other three in your arsenal. I think they have more than three too.
We have this debate here often enough these days. I don’t buy into the idea the U.S. government has a hard time winning that war.
There are many considerations. At the end of the day, I don’t think it pays off the way some folks think it would.
“D@mn straight it was racial, we were attacked by the most racist society on the planet. “
That may be true,but two wrongs don’t make a right.
Thank you for stating the truth so well. My compliments.
Mom loves that term. She always voted democrat.
The detainees were not at war and were not combatants. They were victims of an out-of-control leftist government.
And if there’s a civil war??
I asked Mom one time why she voted democrat and that was what she told me ... two wrongs don't make a right. Am still confused and now Mom doesn't explain anything. She just beats me up and everyone around her. Dang, Mom. Wish I could make her understand that two wrong votes don't make a right.
Well since your sentence structure indicates that you think it was the Japanese Americans that attacked Pearl Harbor you’re already far enough out of the box for both of us.
I Love Japan. They be the only ones keeping china in check mate.
One more yard?
On the other hand, the guy who was actually in charge of domestic security and counter-espionage wrote regarding Japanese-Americans:
“Every complaint in this regard has been investigated, but in no case has any information been obtained which would substantiate the allegation.”
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover has been accused of a lot of things, but he was never accused of being a softy when it came to national security. And Hoover opposed mass incarceration in concentration camps. The sentiment of people at the time reflects how traumatic Pearl Harbor was, how atrocious the behavior of the Japanese military government was, how effective war propaganda was, and how bad race relations were. Popular sentiment was not informed by the actual threat of sabotage or espionage by fellow citizens. There simply wasn’t any tangible evidence nor were there any instances of sabotage or espionage.
Our side won't intern anyone because we are too nice. But their side will intern the heck out of us, when they don't kill us outright. We'll write sternly worded letters about it that won't be reported by the press.
“Where were the German and Italian internment camps?”
What is this, did you just re-watch Animal House?
The Japanese were the ones who bonbed Pearl Harbor and threatened an invasion of the west coast like they’d done successfully throughout the Pacific.
That was all too typical. A few of the older Japanese supported Japan but very few of the American born did. We had a neighbor who served in the 442nd. His parents lost everything.
What obviously concerns me is just who the progressives would inter. I’d expect a few high profile arrests for “treason”. Cruz, Lee, Limbaugh. Then when there were a number of protests, agents of the government would provoke violence and there you go. In rounding up the guns, a lot of deaths. JMO
I know patriots will be interred and terrorists will be out waling around, if the Hero of Benghazi had his way.
There is a real important aspect of the WW II internments that has been mostly forgotten but was relevant in the extreme at the time. The Japanese internees were corralled by and large for their own protection. Many were not rounded up particularly if they had a farm, were more or less rural, and the neighbors vouched for them as being productive. I saw the protection aspect in my own family. While she had no grief with Japanese in particular my Chicksaw Grandmother would have killed the next one she saw if anything had happened to one of my uncles who were serving in the Pacific. In those years most Japanese still had connections in Japan, still spoke at least some Japanese, and were still more “Japanese” than “American.”
Scalia is absolutely correct that if America is once more attacked by a more or less homogeneous foreign group resident members of that group will very likely be rounded up. A whole bunch of Americans might lose their senses of humor after another such event and otherwise just start cleaning house.
The entire community of Florin (east of Sacramento) was rounded up and they were all productive farmers.
From what I understand was that the Japanese farmers owned a lot of prime farmland in California that roosevelts cronies wanted to get their hands on.
Once they were interred, their farms went for pennies on the dollar.
Nice sentiments for a guy who (almost) always sides with state power. But, good for him.
I don’t predict a Holocaust here in my lifetime. But, if there is, it will be overwhelmingly popular. And anybody who’s lived through the past 12 years can see that Republicans are just as hysterical as the Left.
“The Japanese were the ones who bonbed Pearl Harbor and threatened an invasion of the west coast like theyd done successfully throughout the Pacific.
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“The Japanese were the ones who bonbed Pearl Harbor and threatened an invasion of the west coast like theyd done successfully throughout the Pacific.”
Then why weren’t the Japanese in Hawaii interned? Most of them weren’t.
Who ended up with their property? Something to look into.
I don’t see how that supports a charge of racism in any case...
Impractical I’d guess, but it is curious.
I don’t know. I was told the government auctioned it off right away. When they returned afar the war the land was in someone else’s name. I have seen this portrayed in movies, but don’t know much about details.
When reparations came down there was a housing tract there and their farm land, now covered in houses, was valued at 1.1 million for just the land.
I did not know that. Thanks for that history lesson.
Because Hawaii was under martial law, easing security concerns, I gather:
“...In addition to the 1,200 or so local Japanese who were eventually arrested, there were also about 100 local Germans and Italians who were arrested and interned.”
That was only about 1%.
Gino Marchetti’s Mom was in an internment camp. While he was fighting in the Battle of the Bulge.
Are you kidding?
German-American Internment refers to the detention of German and German-American citizens in the United States during World War I and World War II. Unlike the Japanese Americans who were interned during World War II and the Italian Americans who were subject to the same fate, these internees have never received an apology or reparations.
I don't know much about Italian camps but they existed as well.
"Florin, Sacramento County, California. A soldier and his mother in a strawberry field. The soldier, age 23, volunteered July 10, 1941, and is stationed at Camp Leonard Wood, Missouri. He was furloughed to help his mother and family prepare for their evacuation. He is the youngest of six years children, two of them volunteers in United States Army. The mother, age 53, came from Japan 37 years ago. Her husband died 21 years ago, leaving her to raise six children. She worked in a strawbery basket factory until last year when her her children leased three acres of strawberries "so she wouldn't have to work for somebody else". The family is Buddhist. This is her youngest son. Her second son is in the army stationed at Fort Bliss. 453 families are to be evacuated from this area."
There were camps for Germans and Italians but a large percentage of them were not even citizens.
They were an extremely small percentage of the population of those ethnic groups that were living in the U.S.
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