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Justice Antonin Scalia says World War II-style internment camps could happen again
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 2/4/14 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 02/04/2014 2:11:03 PM PST by ColdOne

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To: forgotten man

Actually, I meant the mainland United States, the focus seemed to be only on the areas where the US could be hurt, inland.


101 posted on 02/04/2014 4:07:28 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: familyop

HUH!!!!!!!!!!! BS

My secretary graduated high school at Manzanar and her husband was at Tule Lake. neither family connected to anyone. Second generation Americans.

When the J-As were taken from Florin by Sacramento they were mostly farmers. They were given 24 hours to grab a suitcase.

At the Smithsonian they had an exhibit of the interment camps with a photo of the Florin reunion from the 30s. My secretary is in that photo. It was a panoramic crowd shot of them all standing out in the field. She had that photo on her desktop at work.

When they got reparations, her family got $20-30,000 each; her, her husband and her mother who was still alive. Their land was valued at $1.1 million at the time, but not theirs since the day they were sent away.

If you think they were interred for their connections or some other nefarious reason, you don’t know what the hell you’re taking about.


102 posted on 02/04/2014 4:08:20 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Mears

Years ago I asked a Japanese American (who talked like any Southern redneck because that’s how he was raised) what it was like for him & his family immediately following Pearl Harbor.

He replied, “Well.....let’s just say that on December 8th 1941, we all became Irish-Americans with yellow jaundice!”


103 posted on 02/04/2014 4:09:36 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

So let me get this straight: George W implores guv Blanko to let him send in some NG 3 days before Katrina landfell, and she refuses over political dereliction of duty and 1300+ die.

But states are going to let Fed troops come in and camp their citizens, the ones most likely to be able to help restore order?


104 posted on 02/04/2014 4:13:07 PM PST by txhurl
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To: muir_redwoods
Since its clear you have lots of free time why don’t you create a chart showing acts of disloyalty by both Japanese Americans of the forties vs. Dearborn muslims today?

Rather than go that route, why don't you just give us an uneducated guess as to why the Japanese residing in our country were detained, unharmed by the way, following their attack on our Pearl Harbor?

I know, to you it's probably thinking outside the box but give it a try.......

105 posted on 02/04/2014 4:13:08 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: ColdOne

Not while I’m still breathing...


106 posted on 02/04/2014 4:14:00 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: ColdOne

Have always believed since an early age, that History has a way of repeating ... Wish I was surprised though. Would make everything so much easier to be stupid. I’ll just walk through after they kill me to no surprise. I will worry about everyone else more than me, especially the stupid.


107 posted on 02/04/2014 4:17:36 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Police didn’t shoot the family dog. Heads will roll! Obviously lack of training. / sarc


108 posted on 02/04/2014 4:18:30 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: taxcontrol
the questions are who

Well the list of who, probably starts right here.

109 posted on 02/04/2014 4:21:08 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: BenLurkin

Koramatsu is still good precedent.


110 posted on 02/04/2014 4:22:52 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: OneWingedShark

Scalia’s a good one. Definitely on our side of things.


111 posted on 02/04/2014 4:23:37 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: forgotten man

Of course FDR was a racist. American war propaganda was racist as well.

Dr. Suess explicitly supported putting the Japs in concentration camps in his cartoons:
http://www.tofugu.com/2013/02/20/dr-seuss/ (scroll about 1/3 down).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anti-Japan2.png

A review of the facts of Japanese behavior in places like Nanjing and Bataan makes the anti-Japanese sentiment understandable. It doesn’t excuse putting American citizens in concentration camps.


112 posted on 02/04/2014 4:26:27 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Doesn't take much to become an "enemy" fit for internment.

Takes more than this apparently.


113 posted on 02/04/2014 4:28:38 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: forgotten man

To my knowledge, there was only one high-ranking politician who spoke out against internment of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps: Governor Ralph Lawrence Carr, who said:

“If you harm them, you must harm me. I was brought up in a small town where I knew the shame and dishonor of race hatred. I grew to despise it because it threatened the happiness of you and you and you.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Lawrence_Carr

He lost his next election.


114 posted on 02/04/2014 4:31:01 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Rinnwald

“human nature has not changed that much”
It hasn’t changed in thousands of years- at all.
Only our circumstances have changed, thanks to grace and our hard work.
Given the same circumstances whatever Man did in the past he will repeat.


115 posted on 02/04/2014 4:31:32 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Mears
Of course it was wrong-—and racial.

D@mn straight it was racial, we were attacked by the most racist society on the planet.

116 posted on 02/04/2014 4:34:28 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Well they only have so many missiles and so many men...and if the Federals can win that fight they are fool hearty so the US Military doesn't do well against insurgant forces....
117 posted on 02/04/2014 4:36:19 PM PST by dpetty121263
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To: Sherman Logan
While there is certainly a place for armed resistance to government over-reach, there are also (many) times where this particular tactic would simply make things much worse.

No one ever buts into other peoples civil wars, right?

118 posted on 02/04/2014 4:40:05 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: muir_redwoods
acts of disloyalty by both Japanese Americans of the forties vs. Dearborn muslims today?

Both are currently a decidedly minority, but if Japan had managed to invade the West Coast, then what might have happened. The same will be true of the other group, as evidenced by history.

I had a Brother-In law that survived Bataan so tell me again how tough we made it on the detainees?

119 posted on 02/04/2014 4:45:17 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: dpetty121263

Tell you what, one good missile strike means you don’t have to use the other three in your arsenal. I think they have more than three too.

We have this debate here often enough these days. I don’t buy into the idea the U.S. government has a hard time winning that war.

There are many considerations. At the end of the day, I don’t think it pays off the way some folks think it would.


120 posted on 02/04/2014 4:46:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: itsahoot

“D@mn straight it was racial, we were attacked by the most racist society on the planet. “

That may be true,but two wrongs don’t make a right.

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121 posted on 02/04/2014 4:48:34 PM PST by Mears
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To: itsahoot

Thank you for stating the truth so well. My compliments.


122 posted on 02/04/2014 4:49:24 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Mears

Mom loves that term. She always voted democrat.


123 posted on 02/04/2014 4:51:07 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: itsahoot

The detainees were not at war and were not combatants. They were victims of an out-of-control leftist government.


124 posted on 02/04/2014 4:53:26 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: DannyTN

And if there’s a civil war??


125 posted on 02/04/2014 4:54:36 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Mears
two wrongs don’t make a right

I asked Mom one time why she voted democrat and that was what she told me ... two wrongs don't make a right. Am still confused and now Mom doesn't explain anything. She just beats me up and everyone around her. Dang, Mom. Wish I could make her understand that two wrong votes don't make a right.

126 posted on 02/04/2014 4:57:00 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Well since your sentence structure indicates that you think it was the Japanese Americans that attacked Pearl Harbor you’re already far enough out of the box for both of us.


127 posted on 02/04/2014 4:57:32 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: muir_redwoods

I Love Japan. They be the only ones keeping china in check mate.


128 posted on 02/04/2014 4:59:37 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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One more yard?


129 posted on 02/04/2014 5:01:27 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Salvey

On the other hand, the guy who was actually in charge of domestic security and counter-espionage wrote regarding Japanese-Americans:

“Every complaint in this regard has been investigated, but in no case has any information been obtained which would substantiate the allegation.”

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover has been accused of a lot of things, but he was never accused of being a softy when it came to national security. And Hoover opposed mass incarceration in concentration camps. The sentiment of people at the time reflects how traumatic Pearl Harbor was, how atrocious the behavior of the Japanese military government was, how effective war propaganda was, and how bad race relations were. Popular sentiment was not informed by the actual threat of sabotage or espionage by fellow citizens. There simply wasn’t any tangible evidence nor were there any instances of sabotage or espionage.


130 posted on 02/04/2014 5:06:03 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: ealgeone
"And if there’s a civil war??"

Our side won't intern anyone because we are too nice. But their side will intern the heck out of us, when they don't kill us outright. We'll write sternly worded letters about it that won't be reported by the press.

131 posted on 02/04/2014 5:06:18 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Mears

“Where were the German and Italian internment camps?”

What is this, did you just re-watch Animal House?
The Japanese were the ones who bonbed Pearl Harbor and threatened an invasion of the west coast like they’d done successfully throughout the Pacific.


132 posted on 02/04/2014 5:08:25 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: itsahoot
"D@mn straight it was racial, we were attacked by the most racist society on the planet."

" I had a Brother-In law that survived Bataan so tell me again how tough we made it on the detainees? "

Those were the reasons for the internments. And those who claim that every Japanese-American was interned are either lying or ignorant. Most of them were not interned. The Japanese were planning to invade the U.S.A., but only the security risks were interned.


133 posted on 02/04/2014 5:14:29 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: morphing libertarian

That was all too typical. A few of the older Japanese supported Japan but very few of the American born did. We had a neighbor who served in the 442nd. His parents lost everything.

What obviously concerns me is just who the progressives would inter. I’d expect a few high profile arrests for “treason”. Cruz, Lee, Limbaugh. Then when there were a number of protests, agents of the government would provoke violence and there you go. In rounding up the guns, a lot of deaths. JMO


134 posted on 02/04/2014 5:15:10 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

I know patriots will be interred and terrorists will be out waling around, if the Hero of Benghazi had his way.


135 posted on 02/04/2014 5:17:10 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: OneWingedShark

There is a real important aspect of the WW II internments that has been mostly forgotten but was relevant in the extreme at the time. The Japanese internees were corralled by and large for their own protection. Many were not rounded up particularly if they had a farm, were more or less rural, and the neighbors vouched for them as being productive. I saw the protection aspect in my own family. While she had no grief with Japanese in particular my Chicksaw Grandmother would have killed the next one she saw if anything had happened to one of my uncles who were serving in the Pacific. In those years most Japanese still had connections in Japan, still spoke at least some Japanese, and were still more “Japanese” than “American.”

Scalia is absolutely correct that if America is once more attacked by a more or less homogeneous foreign group resident members of that group will very likely be rounded up. A whole bunch of Americans might lose their senses of humor after another such event and otherwise just start cleaning house.


136 posted on 02/04/2014 5:20:26 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

The entire community of Florin (east of Sacramento) was rounded up and they were all productive farmers.


137 posted on 02/04/2014 5:23:30 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Ancesthntr
Oh, and they (citizens all) had to sell all of their belongings in 3 days - you can imagine the price they got compared to actual value.

From what I understand was that the Japanese farmers owned a lot of prime farmland in California that roosevelts cronies wanted to get their hands on.

Once they were interred, their farms went for pennies on the dollar.

138 posted on 02/04/2014 5:24:32 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: ColdOne

Nice sentiments for a guy who (almost) always sides with state power. But, good for him.

I don’t predict a Holocaust here in my lifetime. But, if there is, it will be overwhelmingly popular. And anybody who’s lived through the past 12 years can see that Republicans are just as hysterical as the Left.


139 posted on 02/04/2014 5:26:16 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: cherokee1
I think your points are excellent. Remember a report right after 911 of two muslims being shot in my neighborhood, which was deep six-ed as far as was reported. South of me, Pastors were asking their congregations to remain calm and not retaliate. Many were ready to go.
140 posted on 02/04/2014 5:30:49 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: mrsmith

“The Japanese were the ones who bonbed Pearl Harbor and threatened an invasion of the west coast like they’d done successfully throughout the Pacific.
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“The Japanese were the ones who bonbed Pearl Harbor and threatened an invasion of the west coast like they’d done successfully throughout the Pacific.”

Then why weren’t the Japanese in Hawaii interned? Most of them weren’t.

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141 posted on 02/04/2014 5:32:03 PM PST by Mears
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To: morphing libertarian
The entire community of Florin (east of Sacramento) was rounded up and they were all productive farmers.

Who ended up with their property? Something to look into.

142 posted on 02/04/2014 5:36:30 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Mears

I don’t see how that supports a charge of racism in any case...

Impractical I’d guess, but it is curious.


143 posted on 02/04/2014 5:41:04 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: metalurgist

I don’t know. I was told the government auctioned it off right away. When they returned afar the war the land was in someone else’s name. I have seen this portrayed in movies, but don’t know much about details.

When reparations came down there was a housing tract there and their farm land, now covered in houses, was valued at 1.1 million for just the land.


144 posted on 02/04/2014 5:43:56 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Skepolitic

I did not know that. Thanks for that history lesson.


145 posted on 02/04/2014 5:52:21 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Mears

Because Hawaii was under martial law, easing security concerns, I gather:
http://www.hawaiiinternment.org/
“...In addition to the 1,200 or so local Japanese who were eventually arrested, there were also about 100 local Germans and Italians who were arrested and interned.”
That was only about 1%.


146 posted on 02/04/2014 5:55:02 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

Gino Marchetti’s Mom was in an internment camp. While he was fighting in the Battle of the Bulge.


147 posted on 02/04/2014 5:56:38 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Mears
Where were the German camps?

Are you kidding?

Wikipedia:

German-American Internment refers to the detention of German and German-American citizens in the United States during World War I and World War II. Unlike the Japanese Americans who were interned during World War II and the Italian Americans who were subject to the same fate, these internees have never received an apology or reparations.

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I don't know much about Italian camps but they existed as well.

148 posted on 02/04/2014 6:14:32 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Forgotten Amendments
Heartbreaking.


"Florin, Sacramento County, California. A soldier and his mother in a strawberry field. The soldier, age 23, volunteered July 10, 1941, and is stationed at Camp Leonard Wood, Missouri. He was furloughed to help his mother and family prepare for their evacuation. He is the youngest of six years children, two of them volunteers in United States Army. The mother, age 53, came from Japan 37 years ago. Her husband died 21 years ago, leaving her to raise six children. She worked in a strawbery basket factory until last year when her her children leased three acres of strawberries "so she wouldn't have to work for somebody else". The family is Buddhist. This is her youngest son. Her second son is in the army stationed at Fort Bliss. 453 families are to be evacuated from this area."

149 posted on 02/04/2014 6:20:12 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Fightin Whitey

There were camps for Germans and Italians but a large percentage of them were not even citizens.

They were an extremely small percentage of the population of those ethnic groups that were living in the U.S.

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150 posted on 02/04/2014 6:31:13 PM PST by Mears
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