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Justice Antonin Scalia says World War II-style internment camps could happen again
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 2/4/14 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 02/04/2014 2:11:03 PM PST by ColdOne

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To: Mears

Germans were rounded up and interned, citizens and non-citizens, including near my home town (and my mother’s family were Germans and were very damn aware of the situation).

You mockingly asked where the German camps were and I showed you. Up to you to pretend that those lives weren’t interrupted or that they didn’t matter anyway, if that’s what you wish.


151 posted on 02/04/2014 6:45:35 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: ColdOne
Japs didn't fight back.

If they come for conservatives it would be the last straw.

152 posted on 02/04/2014 7:15:40 PM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: DannyTN
Danny, I would encourage you to read the following: Justice Denied
153 posted on 02/04/2014 7:28:31 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: DannyTN

“I don’t. I’m not sure how much was confiscated by the government.”

With the passing of Executive Order 9066, the Japanese were forced to leave their homes and possessions. They were told to be ready to move in a week or two and to only bring what they could carry (Turnbull). In the allotted time period, they had to sell their property and possessions. It was a very difficult task with the limited amount of time. The Order was specifically directed towards Japanese people.


154 posted on 02/04/2014 7:57:42 PM PST by staytrue
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To: DannyTN

from wiki:

Internment was popular among many white farmers who resented the Japanese American farmers. “White American farmers admitted that their self-interest required removal of the Japanese.”[20] These individuals saw internment as a convenient means of uprooting their Japanese American competitors. Austin E. Anson, managing secretary of the Salinas Vegetable Grower-Shipper Association, told the Saturday Evening Post in 1942:

“We’re charged with wanting to get rid of the Japs for selfish reasons. We do. It’s a question of whether the white man lives on the Pacific Coast or the brown men. They came into this valley to work, and they stayed to take over... If all the Japs were removed tomorrow, we’d never miss them in two weeks, because the white farmers can take over and produce everything the Jap grows. And we do not want them back when the war ends, either.”[28]


155 posted on 02/04/2014 8:00:28 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

I don’t think they were required to sell anything. But they often did, because they didn’t know if it would be there when they got back.


156 posted on 02/04/2014 8:01:54 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: staytrue
How many vote did that guy get in Congress? How many did California representatives get?

That one blowhard in California shot his mouth off and was prejudiced and wants a land grab, doesn't imply motive to Congress. Show me the congressional discussions where land grabs for the white were presented as the main reason for internment and I'll consider them.

Regardless of that guy's comments, the Japanese attacked us. And then some Japanese Americans helped a Japanese airman in the Niihau Incident. It raises suspicion on the allegiance of all Japanese Americans.

157 posted on 02/04/2014 8:15:52 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: ColdOne

We know who DHS considers “potential terrorists”. Conservatives, returning war vets, gun owners and so on. They’ve already said that early on in the Obama administration.

Obama has already lashed out at his critics, saying they are the reason for his administration’s failures. See the O’Reilly interview on Sunday. And it is only get worst for Obama as his health care plan destroys what is left of already depressed economy.

Now this bombshell for Justice Scalia. The times are getting interesting.


158 posted on 02/04/2014 8:20:28 PM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: familyop

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Every Japanese man, woman, and child (citizen, resident, or illegal) on the West Coast was interned.


159 posted on 02/04/2014 8:36:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: mrsmith

Well put.


160 posted on 02/04/2014 8:36:59 PM PST by Rinnwald
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My goodness, peeps.

The proper word is “interned” - with an ‘n’. To “inter” - without an ‘n’ - means to bury a dead body.

Japanese Americans were interned not interred.


161 posted on 02/04/2014 8:45:22 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: ColdOne; DoughtyOne; wardaddy; Kenny Bunk; MeganC; NVDave

I didn’t see anyone mention the ‘MAGIC’ intercepts.

We had broken both the Japanese Diplomatic and Naval codes and from this we knew that there were a number of effective spies working our military bases and defense plants along the Pacific coast.

If we had rounded up those spies Japan would have figured out how we did it and this would have prompted them to change their codes. Those codes were invaluable, we used them to set up Japan at the battle of Midway and we couldn’t risk losing them.

The internment of Japanese Americans was a cover that allowed the spies to be rounded up without alerting Japan. This was described in a book by David Lowman who was the NSA officer responsible for declassifying the Magic intercepts, “Magic: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence and the Evacuation of Japanese Residents from the West Coast During Ww II “.


162 posted on 02/04/2014 9:04:15 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Pelham

I had not heard that before. Very very interesting. That sure puts a new light on it doesn’t it.

You’re hit at Pearl Harbor, you don’t know exactly what comes next, possibly more attacks, the West Coast.

Then you have the codes, to convince the enemy you don’t have.

I’ll have to check that out.


163 posted on 02/04/2014 9:09:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I remember hearing George Putman interview someone who was involved in all of this- I can’t recall if it was Lowman or someone else- but they made a very convincing case. And Lowman was certainly in a position to know what is in the Magic intercepts.

It fits the facts. Only Japanese Americans along the Pacific coast were interned. Had this been the racist endeavor we often hear it described to be, all Japanese Americans would have been interned, but that isn’t what happened.


164 posted on 02/04/2014 9:17:34 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: taxcontrol

Us

Because we don’t agree with them.

Soon


165 posted on 02/04/2014 9:40:20 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: muir_redwoods

166 posted on 02/04/2014 9:45:46 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Pelham

Very interesting. I’ll have to read that one. Thanks.


167 posted on 02/04/2014 9:47:50 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Pelham

I agree with your logic. This is and example of one of those little bits of information that the Left conveniently leaves out of just about every story.

I appreciate the mention.

I miss George. The guy was doing his best right up until just about the end.


168 posted on 02/04/2014 10:24:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Michael.SF.

It’s the government, they don’t have to justify anything to anybody.


169 posted on 02/04/2014 11:24:22 PM PST by wastedyears (The Ender's Game movie was a stupendous, colossal, galactic failure to me.)
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To: Pelham; DoughtyOne

It’s a very interesting book, I read it in he last couple years. It also documents how our Left completely swept the information about active spy rings and such completely under the rug when reparations were being discussed in the 1980s.


170 posted on 02/05/2014 4:23:57 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

See my previous, I also recommend it.

Also, the book documents how a lot of 1st generation Japanese would get sent back for education in Japan, an education that included a large dose of Japanese militarism, such that there was a real question about their loyalties. While this and the other things revealed in the book do not justify all that was done, it makes the whole issue much more complex. Trying to simplify it down by saying “it was all because racist white farmers wanted their land”, as some are doing here, ignores the very real issues that MAGIC reveals.


171 posted on 02/05/2014 4:32:02 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: familyop
BTW, only those who were connected to the big shots in Japan (like the Emperor) were interned...

Something like 110,000 were interned. You're saying they were all big shots?

...and only temporarily.

Till early 1945.

172 posted on 02/05/2014 4:37:01 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: itsahoot

It’s your flag so I’m assuming its your admission that you’re just spouting bull. Appreciate the belated honesty.


173 posted on 02/05/2014 4:46:17 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: ColdOne
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

174 posted on 02/05/2014 5:30:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: cherokee1
A whole bunch of Americans might lose their senses of humor after another such event and otherwise just start cleaning house.

WADR, if it didn't happen after 9-11, when a million dead Muslims would have been a good start, it's not likely to happen at all.

175 posted on 02/05/2014 6:30:15 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: DannyTN
There was reasonable suspicion that the people interned might have had split allegiances

I will call complete BS until "reasonable suspicion" is adequately documented.

What we did to American citizens of Japanese descent was vile, and conservatism is done no favor by those who defend it.

176 posted on 02/05/2014 6:42:17 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Mears
Germans and Italians are white and, unless they spoke their ancestral language, are not particularly distinguishable from other white Americans. German-Americans had been part of the pre-Revolutionary population of America and constituted the largest single ethnic group in this country, unless you lumped the English, Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish into a single "British" category. With the exception of recent immigrants, they expressed little interest in the politics of Germany. While the Italian-American population had mostly immigrated to this country between 1880 and 1920, they evidenced little interest in the political affairs of their former homeland, very much unlike the Irish-Americans and, with the rise of Zionism, Jewish-Americans.

Japanese-Americans, like the Italian-Americans, were mostly relatively recent immigrants. However, they were clearly distinguishable from white Americans even when speaking good English. Very much unlike the Italian-Americans, they assiduously maintained cultural and familial ties with their homeland.

None of these facts justified internment. Even J. Edgar Hoover, whom no one would regard as a civil libertarian, had misgivings about this action.

177 posted on 02/05/2014 7:05:13 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Graewoulf
NSA will use to fill the soon-to-be-created TEA Party Concentration Camps.

By many accounts, they are already built and ready to 'receive'.

178 posted on 02/05/2014 7:14:52 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renegade

My guess is the first people on the list will be veterans, Christians, gun owners and those of us who still believe in our Constitution.

EODGUY


179 posted on 02/05/2014 7:41:10 AM PST by EODGUY (Hold on to your copies of the Consititution of the United States. It is going to be re-written.)
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To: Graewoulf
The purpose of the IRS’s harassment of the TEA Party was to create lists for the prisoners that the NSA will use to fill the soon-to-be-created TEA Party Concentration Camps.

I suspect that anyone attempting to put TEA Party supporters into concentration camps will come down with a severe case of sudden kinetic lead poisoning. So far, the most important piece of any such strategy--universal gun confiscation--has failed.

180 posted on 02/05/2014 7:54:50 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (III%)
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To: EODGUY
My guess is the first people on the list will be veterans, Christians, gun owners and those of us who still believe in our Constitution.

My guess, then, is they don't even make it through page 5 of their list before SHTF.

181 posted on 02/05/2014 7:58:20 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (III%)
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To: DannyTN
There was reasonable suspicion that the people interned might have had split allegiances.

No, there wasn't a 'reasonable' suspicion. It was actually driven hard as a land and property grab by corrupt California politicians and real estate speculators.

There were more Japanese people in Hawaii than California, yet they didn't intern them all there.

182 posted on 02/05/2014 8:29:52 AM PST by Ditto
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To: forgotten man
Not entirely true. Inouye was never in such a camp. But there were two such camps in Hawaii.

The first was opened on Sand Island in Honolulu Harbor just two days after Pearl Harbor. When it became too small to accomodate all the detainees, it was closed and the population was transferred to a new camp in Honolulu Gulch.

Earl Warren, then California Attorney General and later Chief Justice, led the push for nationwide detainment. However, except for Hawaii and the Left Coast states, the local authorities were never enthusiastic about the idea and even less cooperative and the project never came to full fruition.

A grand uncle of mine actually led resistance to the idea in his locality and was instrumental in getting many of the detainees in the Topaz camp not to return to California but to re-establish their businesses locally. My mother tells me when she visited him as a young lady, he was treated like royalty by the local Japanese-American community for what he had done for them.

Say what you want about the Japanese, but ingratitude is NOT one of their faults.

183 posted on 02/05/2014 8:39:11 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: FreedomPoster; BuckeyeTexan; DoughtyOne

“Also, the book documents how a lot of 1st generation Japanese would get sent back for education in Japan, an education that included a large dose of Japanese militarism, such that there was a real question about their loyalties.”

Some neisei had maintained close ties to the ancestral homeland and a few had a conflict of loyalties. I remember a caller to George Putnam’s radio program who had been a Marine fighting in the Pacific. In one battle he encountered a Japanese Imperial soldier who had been one of his classmates in high school in Los Angeles. Surely a rare occurrence but in the atmosphere of a major war even one event like that would quickly become infamous.


184 posted on 02/05/2014 8:40:23 AM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: muir_redwoods
I’m assuming its your admission that you’re just spouting bull.

You assume much.


Batann Death March. Notice civilian clothes.

These men were not at war either, until war was made upon them.

185 posted on 02/05/2014 8:52:05 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Ditto
"What we did to American citizens of Japanese descent was vile, and conservatism is done no favor by those who defend it."

No they didn't intern them all in Hawaii, but they did intern some. 1/3 of the island was Japanese. But it's an island. They didn't have easy access to the mainland. The Japanese in California did, and that's probably the basis of the decision.

Our "politically correct" failure to segregate the muslims in the military during our War on Terror in the middle east resulted in American deaths. 13 dead and 30 wounded by the Fort Hood muslim.

186 posted on 02/05/2014 8:58:03 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Notary Sojac
"I will call complete BS until "reasonable suspicion" is adequately documented."

Well I call BS on trying to look back 70 years and impugn the motives of Congress during a time of war. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

187 posted on 02/05/2014 9:31:48 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: cld51860

What are we going to do about it when the ballon goes up
That ballon has left the building, and conservative wussies wil do NOTHING as always. They will talk about it and expend hot aair while hide undet some rock.


188 posted on 02/05/2014 10:06:40 AM PST by WilliamRobert (Obama so loves the poor he created millions more.)
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To: itsahoot

Yeah, and I suppose you want to blame Irish Americans for IRA bombings. You really don’t have a basis for your argument.


189 posted on 02/05/2014 10:49:10 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Graewoulf

I free that is the truth of the matter!


190 posted on 02/05/2014 11:48:29 AM PST by lostinthesixties
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To: DannyTN

Remember- if the government can do it to them they can do it to you.


191 posted on 02/05/2014 11:48:30 AM PST by lostinthesixties
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To: lostinthesixties
"Remember- if the government can do it to them they can do it to you."

Even if the government can't do it today, doesn't mean they won't do it tommorrow if the wrong people get in office.

192 posted on 02/05/2014 11:55:41 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: ansel12

What error did the author make?

“The late U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, who was Japanese-American, was not among those sent to the camps but was declared an ‘enemy alien’.”

Right from the article.


193 posted on 02/05/2014 12:04:46 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Mears

“Where were the German and Italian internment camps?”

There were a lot more people of German and Italian descent here than there were Japanese, some going back the very beginnings of these united States of America. And, of course, there was that little business of a sneak attack...


194 posted on 02/05/2014 12:11:34 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: beelzepug
What error did the author make? “The late U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, who was Japanese-American, was not among those sent to the camps but was declared an ‘enemy alien’.” Right from the article.

I misread something, perhaps I picked up my mistake when I was reading other articles to form my response, I do wonder why he brought up Inouye at all, the man went from college to the Army.

195 posted on 02/05/2014 12:22:02 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Skepolitic

I have a pretty good collection of Loony Tunes from the day. Racist? You bet, but I still laugh myself silly watching them. I guess I’m just insensitive.


196 posted on 02/05/2014 12:34:39 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: Fightin Whitey

“Where were the German camps?
Are you kidding?

Wikipedia:”

Thanks for the link. My grandfather was a child of German immigrants, his parents immigrated from Germany in the early 1900’s, they both passed away before WWII. My grandfather worked in a plant that manufactured engines for air force fighter and bomber planes during WWII, his work was building and servicing the engines. He was in his mid 30’s at the time raising a family. According to my grandmother he apparently never got bothered by the government even though he had an easily recognizable German last name. Strange. Never heard much about those camps and their existence.


197 posted on 02/05/2014 1:32:31 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: ScottfromNJ

Thanks for the note.

You are younger than I. My grandfather came over in the early teens, my grandmother a few years later. She rode a train from New York (Ellis Island, of course) all the way to North Dakota, terrified-—she and my grandpa had met only once, when he visited Germany with his cousin who was searching for a bride...and my grandpa scored while his cousin came up empty...

Anyway Grandpa showed up late for the train, missed it by a minute or so, and chased after it from stop to stop in his horse-pulled wagon. Thirty or 40 miles down the rail he looked in the little depot (train was gone again) and just about didn’t see the tiny, shivering, weeping woman sitting in a corner with a bag over her head.

They were married for over 50 years, separated only when Grandma died.

But to your point: my grandparents weren’t bothered either but they had been in the country, on their farm, for 30 years by that time. And right from the get-go they abjured the German language, German dress and customs-—they wanted to be Americans and they were quickly accepted as such.

Still both world wars were times of tension and concern. My mom’s cousin was in Hitler’s army until he slipped away one night...ended up a self-made millionaire in Canada...those were men and women back then, the real thing, you know?


198 posted on 02/05/2014 1:47:39 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Mears

I believe there was an internment camp for Italians near me in Pittsburg, California. Infact, I believe Joe DiMaggio parents and not sure him though were interned. However, his father believed it was the right things to do because of the war.


199 posted on 02/05/2014 3:47:56 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: FreedomPoster; Pelham

Oh, I can’t believe that... snicker...

I’ll have to get a copy and read it.

Thanks folks.


200 posted on 02/05/2014 8:25:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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