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Justice Antonin Scalia says World War II-style internment camps could happen again
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 2/4/14 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 02/04/2014 2:11:03 PM PST by ColdOne

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To: Paladin2
Scalia could work harder on Roberts

You forgot to mention the rest of the liberals on the SCOTUS such as Ginsberg.....

Yep, in the twisted reality of Paladin2, Scalia is an abject failure...........

51 posted on 02/04/2014 2:56:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: BenLurkin

I would not be surprised at all if he is not correct. With the hateful things Cuomo said about pro-life people and other groups, the first people rounded up will be the RC bishops and priests, and evangelical Christian leaders.


52 posted on 02/04/2014 2:57:41 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Hot Tabasco

I think it is very likely that Christians and conservatives will be the ones sent to the camps by the left commie/fascists.


53 posted on 02/04/2014 2:58:26 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Paladin2
Not that it should not be exercised.

How do you exercise it? Take each opposing judge into a back room and arm wrestle?

54 posted on 02/04/2014 2:58:51 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I think it is very likely that Christians and conservatives will be the ones sent to the camps by the left commie/fascists.


55 posted on 02/04/2014 2:58:52 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Scalia could use some help.

Bammy is not likely to supply same.

56 posted on 02/04/2014 2:59:45 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: GeronL
I think it is very likely that Christians and conservatives

Hasn't that always been the case?

57 posted on 02/04/2014 3:00:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: DannyTN

“I’m not sure I agree that it was wrong. It was war.”


Of course it was wrong-—and racial.

Where were the German and Italian internment camps?

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58 posted on 02/04/2014 3:02:22 PM PST by Mears
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To: ColdOne

Continue the police state foolishness, or fight a war. Those are the choices. So far, political folks want to continue the foolishness.


59 posted on 02/04/2014 3:06:14 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: ColdOne

If the government thinks they need to do it, they’ll do it. I mean, does anybody seriously doubt that Mr. I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone wouldn’t?


60 posted on 02/04/2014 3:08:08 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: DannyTN
"I’m not sure I agree that it was wrong. It was war."

Very true, and the more recent stories about it are full of exaggerations and omissions (i.e., lies).


61 posted on 02/04/2014 3:08:28 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: RichInOC
...I should say would.
62 posted on 02/04/2014 3:08:39 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Mears
Italian internment

German internment

There was a difference, apparently we only interned Italian and German nationals, where with Japan we apparently interned Japanese that had already obtained citizenship. That and we paid the Japanese reparations where we didn't the German and Italians.

My guess is that the Japanese had seen a lot of recent immigration relative to the Germans and Italians. But I don't know.

63 posted on 02/04/2014 3:09:30 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Mears
Italian internment

German internment

There was a difference, apparently we only interned Italian and German nationals, where with Japan we apparently interned Japanese that had already obtained citizenship. That and we paid the Japanese reparations where we didn't the German and Italians.

My guess is that the Japanese had seen a lot of recent immigration relative to the Germans and Italians. But I don't know.

64 posted on 02/04/2014 3:09:31 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: ColdOne

Scalia and Roberts should be replaced by men like Oliver Cromwell.


65 posted on 02/04/2014 3:10:06 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: muir_redwoods
Question: how well armed were those loyal Japanese-Americans who were rounded up and imprisoned?

Would you offer the same defense of Dearborn Muslims should they be rounded up?

LOL!

Thought so.........

66 posted on 02/04/2014 3:11:16 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I think I've lost my mojo.....)
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To: familyop
"Very true, and the more recent stories about it are full of exaggerations and omissions (i.e., lies)."

The problem is that it's very hard to look back and know whether or not it was warranted. There is no control group. We don't know what damage if any was prevented. Clinton had a commission that tried to look backwards and decided that there was little justification to think the people interned were a threat. But apparently the Congress at the time thought they were.

67 posted on 02/04/2014 3:12:41 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN

BTW, only those who were connected to the big shots in Japan (like the Emperor) were interned and only temporarily. And the camps weren’t run like prison camps. I’ve worked in some of those places under harsher conditions (cbt. engr.—cbt. type training).


68 posted on 02/04/2014 3:12:58 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Are we not fighting the War on Terror still?


69 posted on 02/04/2014 3:15:45 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DannyTN

You raised some good questions. One of the reasons for Japanese-government-connected citizens of Japanese descent being interned, was that Japan came closer to attacking the U.S.A. on our own soil.


70 posted on 02/04/2014 3:16:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Replace Scalia? He and Thomas are the best we have.


71 posted on 02/04/2014 3:16:45 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Okay, men like Oliver Cromwell should replace the other Europeans on the Court first, then Roberts and Scalia.


72 posted on 02/04/2014 3:22:29 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: DannyTN

My guess is that one big reason that Japanese Americans were interned while the German Americans and Italian Americans were not is that FDR was a racist just like his mentor, Woodrow Wilson. FDR could have desegregated the armed forces during World War II. FDR chose not to. Truman did it.


73 posted on 02/04/2014 3:24:55 PM PST by forgotten man
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To: DannyTN
But apparently the Congress at the time thought they were.

The Niihau Incident seriously freaked out the powers-that-be. A single Japanese airman from the Pearl Harbor attack landed his damaged aircraft on the remote Hawaiian island of Niihau. He had no trouble getting the only three Japanese descendants on the island to help him out. Whether it was indicative of overall Japanese-American sentiment, I don't know.

I strongly believe the internment was wrong, but I was not alive at the time, and can't speak for the people that were.

However, I do agree with Scalia; human nature has not changed that much. A modern Niihau Incident could spark a drive to get conservatives into the concentration camps...unless we fight back.

74 posted on 02/04/2014 3:26:19 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: 1010RD
Are we not fighting the War on Terror still?

That depends on if you find liberty terrifying. </semi-sarc>

75 posted on 02/04/2014 3:31:00 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ColdOne

Any member of Congress, The Executive, or Judiciary that acts in such a way against US citizens should be impeached and removed from office(or worse)immediately!


76 posted on 02/04/2014 3:31:07 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: DannyTN
I’m not sure I agree that it was wrong. It was war.

There are probably not many of us Freepers who remember Pearl Harbor and the beginnings of WWII. I am one of them and I can tell you that the mood of the country was heavily in favor of interning them. There were legitimate doubts as to where the loyalties of some of them lay, contrary to what the revisionists would have us believe.

77 posted on 02/04/2014 3:32:00 PM PST by Salvey
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Note that liberals submitted petitions to Whitehouse.gov to have tea party conservatives prosecuted for treason

That would be an interesting trial... though I don't put it past them to "pack the court" on Jury-selection.

78 posted on 02/04/2014 3:32:22 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

thanks for posting it on the SCOTUS link..


79 posted on 02/04/2014 3:33:19 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: forgotten man

If it was purely racial, why did it only apply to the West Coast instead of nationally?


80 posted on 02/04/2014 3:33:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Renegade

“Better not be the armed citizens of the USA because it will be the biggest mistake the government ever made!”

I’d think so because Americans have enough ammo to shoot every DHS employee who goes Nazi 45,672 times. Then again, they’re liberals and probably can’t count past 3.


81 posted on 02/04/2014 3:36:01 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: muir_redwoods
Question: how well armed were those loyal Japanese-Americans who were rounded up and imprisoned?

What do you think would have happened had the Japanese-Americans of the time used armed force to resist internment? Thus confirming in the minds of all other Americans that they were disloyal and bent on armed subversion of the government?>

Can you say mass mob attacks, probably backed up by local National Guard and military units?

While there is certainly a place for armed resistance to government over-reach, there are also (many) times where this particular tactic would simply make things much worse.

82 posted on 02/04/2014 3:36:16 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ColdOne

I don’t know if Scalia is right (I hope he’s wrong), but any attempt at new internment camps would be a very bloody affair. No group of Americans will passively be put in such camps. Such an attempt could easily lead to civil war or revolution.


83 posted on 02/04/2014 3:41:48 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: DannyTN

“———we only interned Italian and German nationals, where with Japan we apparently interned Japanese that had already obtained citizenship-——”


The nisei,or American born Japanese, were also detained-—they didn’t obtain citizenship,they were citizens at birth. Then we turned around and drafted them,for heaven’s sake.An absolute disgrace.

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84 posted on 02/04/2014 3:42:01 PM PST by Mears
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To: OneWingedShark

Put “war on” in the title pretext and you can get the sheeple to believe anything.


85 posted on 02/04/2014 3:42:59 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: cld51860; DoughtyOne
Criminalize being a conservative? For the Left, it flows naturally from the amoral:
1. Don't want that baby dragging your lifestyle down? It's OK to kill it.
2. Don't want that conservative bruising your conscience? It's OK to kill him, too!
HF
86 posted on 02/04/2014 3:44:25 PM PST by holden
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To: Hot Tabasco

Since its clear you have lots of free time why don’t you create a chart showing acts of disloyalty by both Japanese Americans of the forties vs. Dearborn muslims today?

Thought so


87 posted on 02/04/2014 3:45:27 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: TurboZamboni
Put “war on” in the title pretext and you can get the sheeple to believe anything.

Come on people, we have to win the War on Liberty!!

88 posted on 02/04/2014 3:45:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: JimRed

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


89 posted on 02/04/2014 3:47:51 PM PST by struggle
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To: cld51860

I heard Affleck said he couldn’t stand to watch a republican actor. The communist who should have been jailed in the fifties are now running the show.


90 posted on 02/04/2014 3:49:04 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Sherman Logan

The differences I was highlighting include the reaction to resistance by your neighbors vs the insular Japanese Americans of the forties. When and if the people that make up the average Americans begin being rounded up and those average Americans possess modern arms. I think there will be a different outcome.


91 posted on 02/04/2014 3:49:14 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: OneWingedShark

The Statists are winning.


92 posted on 02/04/2014 3:49:53 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: holden

Hard to argue against that.

And after all, isn’t it just an expansion of the already demanded right to abort in the fourth trimester?


93 posted on 02/04/2014 3:50:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Except they’ll do it city by city. They’ll pour in massive man-power to get it done. The good citizens will be powerless no matter how armed they are.

They can take out any problematic home they want from 10,000+ feet, and how many miles...


94 posted on 02/04/2014 3:52:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: ansel12

The government could not intern the Japanese Americans in Hawaii because they were high percentage of the population. It was not too hard to round up the Japanese Americans in California. My father watched them getting loaded onto trucks on Rodeo Boulevard in Los Angeles with one suitcase per person. It really bothered my father, and he was no liberal.


95 posted on 02/04/2014 3:52:57 PM PST by forgotten man
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To: TurboZamboni
The Statists are winning.

Yeah, I know. :(

96 posted on 02/04/2014 3:53:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Indeed. And the reverse McCarthyism is in full throat.


97 posted on 02/04/2014 3:58:06 PM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: familyop; DannyTN
BTW, only those who were connected to the big shots in Japan (like the Emperor) were interned and only temporarily.

Sorry, that is BS. My father went to dental school with a guy whose family was interred. His father was a nobody - just a dentist, and they were interred for the duration. Oh, and they (citizens all) had to sell all of their belongings in 3 days - you can imagine the price they got compared to actual value.

These people were completely loyal, and they were royally screwed over because of their looks. One of the worst injustices ever perpetrated in this country by the government (treatment of the various Indian tribes being far worse, and over a far longer period of time) - and Scalia is right, it'll likely happen again. Except that this time it won't be an ethnic group, it'll be those that dare to oppose tyranny even by uttering the word "Constitution" at the wrong time. I, for example, will likely be on the list just for my tagline (and I'm sure that there are more reasons, but that alone will likely be enough).

For those that condemn Scalia for mentioning this, consider that maybe he was warning us. Consider also that if he is still alive at the time of such an event, he'll likely be killed, imprisoned or forced to resign because of "bad health" (which is to say that his family will be threatened). The good Justice knows which way the wind is blowing, and he wants to be remembered for being out there with his middle finger proudly raised.

98 posted on 02/04/2014 3:58:53 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: muir_redwoods

OK. I’ll buy that.


99 posted on 02/04/2014 4:04:41 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ColdOne

So, basically Scalia is admitting that “rule of law” and the whole notion of “constittutional rights” are fiction, that the government can do whatever it wants when it wants.

He’s not saying that is the right course; he’s only saying that it is the way things really are.


100 posted on 02/04/2014 4:06:37 PM PST by Skepolitic
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