Skip to comments.Reason Magazine: Hey, Letís Reduce Heroin Overdoses by Legalizing Heroin
Posted on 02/04/2014 2:32:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
For a magazine that styles itself Reason, it’s surprisingly unreasonable.
Nick Gillespie of Reason attacks Truth Revolt’s Ben Shapiro for writing that “Philip Seymour Hoffman['s] self-inflicted death is yet another hallmark of the broken leftist culture that dominates Hollywood, enabling rather than preventing the loss of some of its greatest talents. Libertarianism becomes libertinism without a cultural force pushing back against the penchant for sin; Hollywood has no such cultural force.”
It’s a point that’s rather hard to argue with. Freedom opens up the arena for individual character to define how people will use it. Freedom alone is a blank slate that allows people to impose order on their own lives.
Gillespie not only argues against it, but makes a thoroughly ridiculous argument. “Shapiro’s implication that libertarianism is the root cause of Hoffman’s overdose isn’t simply churlish and uninformed by anything resembling knowledge of Hoffman’s life, thoughts, or circumstances of death (though it is that). It is plainly nonsensical.”
That’s not what Shaprio is saying, but Reason has its theme, which is what libertarianism is being unfairly blamed for the death of a Hollywood actor and it has the solution…
“If Shapiro thought about it for a minute rather than calling up his outrage macro in Word, he might ask what sort of drug policy might lead to better outcomes. Generally speaking, people have enough trouble admitting substance-abuse problems without also having to admit that they are criminals too. Maybe legalizing or decriminalizing drugs would lead to an environment in which abuse would be minimized along with the ill effects of the black markets spawned by prohibition.”
Sure, we’ll cut down on overdoses by legalizing heroin. The needle park solution always works.
Do Hollywood celebrities abuse drugs because drug laws make them feel like criminals? Would they use less drugs if using drugs was more legally and socially acceptable?
Would Philip Seymour Hoffman have avoided overdosing on heroin if he could have bought it at the local drug store?
Since the addictive mechanism combined with tolerance, which is the effect that causes escalating drug use to achieve the same results, and the emotional cycle of self-medicating, is what causes the escalation of drug use, it’s hard to see how making an addictive drug that chemically diminishes free will is the solution to preventing drug abuse.
It’s like fighting slavery by legalizing slavery. Hoffman wasn’t abusing heroin because it was illegal. He was abusing heroin because it was available.
Yeah, THAT's the TICKET!...............
We need to start asking ourselves as conservatives why we go out of our way to try and save the lives of those who hate us and wish to destroy our way of life?
Maybe we should consider handing out free heroin instead to liberal cities?
I was thinking the same thing. You beat me to the post by mentioning it.
The argument for doing away with drug laws is not that the drugs will not continue to cause harm. The argument is the drug laws themselves do more harm than good.
Daniel Greenfield is absolutely correct. Legalizing an evil does not make it less evil.
How the hell does someone get into that anyway? Seriously, how does that work? You’re at a party one night and someone comes up to you and says “Hey Bud, you wanna try some HEROIN?” “Hey yeah sure, why not?” “OK, all you gotta do is let me INJECT it into your vein...” “Oh WOW that sounds AWESOME! I can get AIDS from sharing that needle right? AWESOME!”
However, there will be so many restrictions put on addicts that libertarians will long for the old days when addicts could score illegally without having to register with the government and submit to state regulation of their habits.
Slavery was once legal in America. Took the worst war this nation ever fought to end it. So when is the end of the drug war?
And criminalizing every bad idea helps shrink leviathan how?
What next ? make gluttony a crime?
RE: Daniel Greenfield is absolutely correct. Legalizing an evil does not make it less evil.
I think the argument is not whether or not shooting heroine is evil — the argument is how BEST to minimize its use. Both conservatives and libertarians agree that using heroine is bad, the issue is POLICY — How best to minimize it with the least cost to society.
Libertarians claim that legalizing it ( which does not mean approving of it ) is the best way to achieve that. Conservatives claim that it will create more harm than good.
And so the debate goes...
Yeah I know Reason is really a libertarian magazine, but they need to keep their legalization philosophy on benign stuff that grows in the ground, that is a waste of money to police, and not press their luck with advocating for the legalization of essentially manufactured toxic chemical concoctions that can actually kill someone.
No, but it may help get the bad batches off the market, because because producers will have an incentive to not kill their customers.
Celebrity drug addicts? Who cares?
Let them all OD.
The sooner the better.
“Daniel Greenfield is absolutely correct. Legalizing an evil does not make it less evil.”
Sure. But that’s not the point.
The point is our huge bloated, para-military, police state that does nothing to protect against drugs and is just sitting there, ready to be used, by the next Hitler.
Maybe we could approach this as though we were citizens of the same country with similar interests, rather than as members of hostile factions out to destroy each other.
Drugs help clean the Gene Pool
There could be free meth, heroine, etc sitting at 7-Eleven and I doubt very much the rate of use as a percentage of the population would increase.
Now, the users who used would go on a self-destructive orgy of drugs, mind you, but they do that now, anyway, albeit it take a year or so longer.
But the drugs aren’t free, whether they’re legal or not. Some scumbags will still be breaking into people’s homes, carjacking your family, mugging you on the street to get money for drugs. Drug addicts don’t suddenly go get jobs when certain drugs become legal.
I don’t even drink.
And I am tired of people hating me for trying to help them!
If these idiots want to kill themselves, I say let them and be rid of them. More resources left for the rest of us.
California for instance is about to run out of water... WTH are we inviting ANYONE in to our country if we don’t even have enough water and other resources for those that are already here! and if some druggie lib want to off themselves with heroin ... I say im paying !
Agreed. I just don't believe that most people are interested in doing hard drugs. Addicts seem to live very boring, empty lives.
Ahh, but to a libertarian, it makes no difference if its marijuna or heroin.
LEGALIZE it. After all - where in the Constitution can you find laws against heroin?
/loopy lib logic
>> Libertarians claim that legalizing it ( which does not mean approving of it )
I believe the intent is “decriminalization”.
The libertarian position on drugs, is like the one on abortion, zero restrictions.
No restrictions of any kind, not on current drugs, not on any drugs or drug combos (cocktails) that people or cartels invent or create, no limits on advertising and marketing of those drugs, nothing.
Yeah, we’re so ‘pro-life’ aren’t we..
Frankly, when it comes to drugs I don’t care that much when they’re illegal what happens to the users. If they are legitimized by legalization though, then it’s sanctioned and then it is society’s fault.
One thing about heroin though is that OD’ing will still happen. People will be able to get it easier so overall use will increase as people ‘give it a shot’ like K2 or something. Then tolerance builds, they still want the nods, and a lethal dose follows eventually.
There are hypocrite ones that’ll only want pot legal, and some others not. Basically only wanting the ones they want to use legal.
The rest are just crazy.
"Freedom" as in "I don't want your tired old morality". Rebellion is paramount!
Getting "high" is all you have left after you have hit the bottom of the long slide which began with an obsession with Happiness.
"Hey, BwanaNdege, what is wrong with Happiness?" you ask.
Happiness is great, but it is not fulfilling. Mankind started with thinking, "If I could only have enough food to eat, and a dry cave to keep out the rain, snow and cold wind...oh, and that saber-tooth tiger, too."
Now. much of mankind has enough food, clothing, shelter and safety. We are reasonably happy. But that is not quite enough, so we seek Success. That too, often leaves a slight emptiness.
Excitement, that's the ticket! Action Sports! Sports cars! Sporty Women!
When Excitement does not fulfill, "Crank it up a notch!" The goal becomes Thrills, then Kicks and, finally, Get High.
The problem is that we were created, in the words of the Westminster Shorter Catechism, "To glorify God and to enjoy Him forever!" As Nehemiah 8:10 says, "The Joy of the Lord is your strength."
Blaise Pascal, the French mathematician & physicist, said There is a God shaped vacuum in the heart of every man which cannot be filled by any created thing, but only by God, the Creator, made known through Jesus.
Too often, we try to fill that vacuum with Happiness, Success, Excitement, Thrills, Kicks, and eventually that final High. With each successive, less satisfying substitute, we think that an increase in quantity will make up for the lack of quality.
Bigger mud pies will never replace a slice of Strawberry pie with oodles of whipped cream!
The joy of the Lord, knowing that you are forgiven because of Jesus' completed work, is what we were created for.
(BwanaNdege will now get down off of the Soapbox - Thus endeth today's sermon. Thank you for your patience.)
Justice Antonin Scalia says World War II-style internment camps could happen again
But at least you won't fail your drug test.
(Anarachy is not abscence of laws- it's an overabundance of laws)
Yeah, I know. my bias is on the side of freedom.
Better to have your door kicked in by armed police than armed criminals! that’s fur sure!
“RAID FILMED: Ankeny Police Traumatize Family”
Like all cults, they gear the message to the audience they are trying to convert.
To conservatives they would focus on Cannabis, to Heroin addicts or anarchists, it would include Heroin.
“How the hell does someone get into that anyway? Seriously, how does that work? Youre at a party one night and someone comes up to you and says Hey Bud, you wanna try some HEROIN?
From what I’ve been reading, it’s now people addicted to pain pills (Opiates) shifting over to heroin because it’s cheaper and more available.
It is drug culture. It does start with pot.
It’s a party social thing at the start.
People try white powders, snorting cocaine and meth. Usually they will snort heroin first, or smoke it off a cigarette or blow it in the the back of the throat.
They will enjoy and know people, usually cooler, who inject it.
They will try it.
Drugs are incredibly powerful and initially users have the best times of their lives when starting out.
Who didn’t see this coming?
Did you really believe them when they said it was only pot?
Wait until they want child prostitution legalized, for the childrun of course.
Of course if a druggie harms another, then he should be prosecuted. The issue is laws that prevent an adult from his private activity that does not interfere with another's freedom. Those kinds of laws are fundamentally unjust and create bigger problems than the activity itself.
Nice try, but the crowd on this board is immune to the message. Drugs kill, it's true. But so does suicide -- and it's still against the law, too.
Does anyone really refrain from committing suicide because it's illegal?
Yes. It’s an advocacy for slavery in many ways, and both political parties have been supporting it incrementally.
Don’t forget to “TAX THE HELL OUT OF IT!” The commie ‘RAT politicians are going to want their cut!
Ever look at MADD's talking points? The founder quit in the mid 1980s and went on to lobby on behalf of bars and brewers.
People who become suicidal, do so because they are depressed and are ignorant of any good options. And many of them smoked pot for quite a few years, going through the cycles of paranoia and euphoria thousands of times (cycles that later become mania followed by depression).
They didn’t start smoking pot because of depression or a lack of options. Most of them started smoking pot, because acquaintances told them that it would make them feel great and implied that it would make them more desired as a friend. Many started smoking pot also because they were drunk when pressured to do it. Most who use harder drugs were high on smoke, when the harder drugs were offered.
“How the hell does someone get into that anyway? Seriously, how does that work? Youre at a party one night and someone comes up to you and says Hey Bud, you wanna try some HEROIN?”
That’s pretty much what happens. If you’re moving in circles where drugs are common you see all sorts of things and get all kinds of offers.
Heroin doesn’t have to be injected. The powder can be heated and the fumes inhaled- “chasing the dragon”. And it can be snorted like cocaine. But if someone finds that they like heroin they’ll move on to injecting because it gives the rush that the other routes don’t.
“From what Ive been reading, its now people addicted to pain pills (Opiates) shifting over to heroin because its cheaper and more available.”
And even cheaper is homebrewed desomorphine, the nightmare Russian street drug called krokodil. If we’re lucky that won’t show up in America.
Prohibition and drugs have nothing in common.
Alcohol has been a foundation of and for Western Civilization for many thousands of years, in every way, that isn’t true of something like pot, which Western Civilization refused to adopt as an intoxicant during those thousands of years, although they interacted with, traded, traveled and fought the cultures that did use it, getting stoned on pot is a 1960s thing for “Western civilization”, alcohol has always been thoroughly incorporated into the white man’s culture and life, prohibition was a weird American second out of those thousands of years, one that sure would have surprised the founding generations, just about as much as them learning that Americans were taking on the drug of the Arabs.
Right, but my main issue is a deeper underlying principle at work that has to do with a free, healthy, vibrant, and respectful society.
More people die crossing the f’ing street than overdosing from drugs.
Most heroin ODs are caused by drugs of mislabeled potency, or adulterated. Street drugs are dangerous. The main long-term side effects of addiction are related to chronic constipation.
Candy Lightner. Thanks to that bitch a single drink can cost you your drivers license. The end result of protecting people from their own stupidity is a world full of fools.
People who are depressed do not always commit suicide and as far as I know marijuana does not induce the desire to kill ones self.