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High School Football Coach Ordered To Stop Prayers
Christian Headlines ^ | February 04, 2014 | Ryan Duncan

Posted on 02/05/2014 3:53:04 AM PST by xzins

The Freedom from Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based nonprofit that advocates the separation of Church and State, has reportedly asked a North Carolina football coach to cease praying with his players. Hal Capps is the head coach at Mooresville High School in North Carolina, he is also an open and devout Christian. Capps has been recognized by students for his habit of praying with the football players before team events and encouraging students to attend church. While much of the community has rallied around Capps in support, the FRF has maintained its stance on the coaches activates. Their attorney, Patrick Elliot, wrote to the school system last fall saying,

“It is a violation of the Constitution for the Mooresville High School football coach to organize, lead, or participate in prayers or other religious proselytizing before, during, or after games and practices…It’s really inappropriate, wrong and unconstitutional for a coach to try to use that position to try and convert people to his religion,”

Capps has declined to be interviewed but stated that he and the team were moving forward.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: establishment; freedom; freeexercise; prayer

1 posted on 02/05/2014 3:53:04 AM PST by xzins
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To: All

It is not a violation of the Constitution for this coach to lead prayer, despite what anyone says.

The Constitution advocates toleration of differences WITH freedom of exercise as the default position on religion for all of the United States. In other words, grow up and recognize that there are lots of religions out there and just be tolerant.

The Founders chose freedom OVER religion police.

The FRF favors religion police. The Founders had no use for such a waste of time, energy, and money...as is evidence by tying up the courts with this nonsense.

If people are in such a position, they can easily just watch and learn what other people do when they engage in their religion. It is a cross-cultural religious learning event for them, if they have the presence of mind to recognize the wisdom of the founders.

And, if they don’t want to listen or participate, they don’t have to. If they want to walk elsewhere, they are FREE to do so. And THAT is also a huge lesson, to learn that you have options.


2 posted on 02/05/2014 3:53:23 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

It’s ok to promote homosexual perversion though.
Liberals are truly sick people. Morals and principals
will not be tolerated by them.


3 posted on 02/05/2014 4:01:24 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Slambat
I suspect it would also be trumpeted as a celebration of diversity if the coach led the players in chants of “Alluh Akbar” so long as he didn't saw off somebody’s head while doing so.
4 posted on 02/05/2014 4:04:38 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: xzins

Ok. So why not have everyone arrive 30 minutes earlier on their own time and pray during that time. The school could not say a word.


5 posted on 02/05/2014 4:04:52 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: xzins
"It is not a violation of the Constitution for this coach to lead prayer, despite what anyone says."

It is, in fact, a blatant Constitutional violation for this coach to be ordered to STOP his right to lead prayer.

6 posted on 02/05/2014 4:05:12 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: xzins

as is evidence by tying up the courts with this nonsense.

And yet the courts regularly find that expressions of religion are wrong. It flies in the face of the words of the Constitution but they obviously don’t care.


7 posted on 02/05/2014 4:06:02 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Vigilanteman

That coach is free to allahu Akbar as much as he wants.

Freedom means those players can get up and walk away or they can just stand there an watch and learn what that looks like.

It means if he gets offensive, then they can tell him.

And if he’s stupid enough to sit his best linebacker because he wants to extort religious expression out of them, then he won’t be a successful coach and he won’t long be the coach.


8 posted on 02/05/2014 4:09:13 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

There absolutely IS religion taught in every public school in America. It’s called secular humanism. And it is destroying us.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 4:11:43 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: xzins
The Freedom from Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based nonprofit

And they have what to do with North Carolina? Why would they be involved at all?

10 posted on 02/05/2014 4:13:15 AM PST by WHBates
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To: Slambat

Public School Helps Girl Get Abortion

In an unbelievable case that should outrage parents across the country, a public high school in Washington State helped a 15-year-old student get an abortion during school hours without parental consent.

The teenage girl had taken a pregnancy test at the school’s health center, according to a local news report, and administrators subsequently arranged for her to get an abortion at a county-run clinic. The girl was given a pass during school hours, put in a taxi and sent off to a local facility that’s overseen by the King County Health Department in Seattle. It is not known what classes she missed or if she will be allowed to make up the work.

The girl’s mother says the only consent form she signed allowed her daughter to be treated at the school’s health center for ailments such as earaches and sports physicals but not for terminating a pregnancy. She assures that nowhere in the paperwork does it mention “abortion or facilitating abortion.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/03/public-school-helps-girl-get-abortion/

This is okay but praying with students is not.

American Humanist Association sues teacher who prayed for sick student

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/26/american-humanist-association-sues-teacher-who-prayed-for-sick-student/

How did we let this happen in America?


11 posted on 02/05/2014 4:13:57 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: xzins

FFR is an atheist organization that promotes atheism and bullies Christians with threats of lawsuits. I pray for their total destruction. I haven’t heard them threaten muslims, though. Have you? I wish they would.


12 posted on 02/05/2014 4:17:32 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: WHBates

Excellent point.

First, we are a union of separate states, and next, what exactly gives them that infamous “standing” that is so often used against conservatives?


13 posted on 02/05/2014 4:18:53 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: napscoordinator

“.. and pray during that time...”

My son played 4 years of high school football. What they did was the kid’s would break off into groups and pray prior to a game. The agnostic/atheist kids (there was one or two) would wander off. The other kids would group together... without a coach and pray. Grouped together were Jews, Catholics, and protestants of all denominations.. the group was usually lead by a Southern Baptist boy who (from my understanding) could bring God in as the 12th man.


14 posted on 02/05/2014 4:49:53 AM PST by momtothree
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To: xzins

In the spirit of Christian love and outreach I say we beat the snot out of the FRF attorney.


15 posted on 02/05/2014 4:57:59 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: tbpiper

LOL!

Almost as good if we could place a big time hit on his wallet for a frivolous law suit.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 5:01:36 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

It’s time we all demand the FFR to go pound sand. Continue to pray no matter what they do, no matter what threats they deliver on. They win only if those under fire comply with their absurd demands.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 5:28:21 AM PST by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: The Louiswu

I agree with that. Civil disobedience all the way on matters of prayer and faith.

Make them jail people for praying.


18 posted on 02/05/2014 5:33:36 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

http://www.worthynews.com/3003-we-still-pray-rally-blocks-highways-into-north-carolina-city

Groundhog Day all over again?


19 posted on 02/05/2014 5:43:12 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: xzins

FEED HIM TO THE LIONS! (Not Detroit. Real lions.)


20 posted on 02/05/2014 5:58:13 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: xzins

Even back in the 1930s, teachers were given simple rules that if they followed them, they could continue being teachers. One of the most important of these rules:

No soap-boxing about politics or religion. You are hired to teach a subject, so teach that subject. Incorporating politics or religion into your subject is not doing what you are paid to do.

The argument that “I am required by my faith to preach the gospel” is hooey. If a garage hires a mechanic to fix cars, that is what he is paid to do. If instead he spends his time proselytizing the other mechanics, he is not doing his job, and he is keeping them from doing their jobs.

This is especially onerous when someone is hired to be a teacher. Though parents who share the teacher’s religious faith may not mind, it sets off alarm bells with all other parents. And it should, no matter if he is a religious person, or a wacko Marxist. It’s not his job.

Their children are experiencing a “bait and switch”.


21 posted on 02/05/2014 6:05:26 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: xzins

Excellent post. Thank you.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 6:10:01 AM PST by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: Slambat

Correction: My last post should have been to No. 2.

Too early, no breakfast yet.


23 posted on 02/05/2014 6:11:36 AM PST by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: xzins

“It is a violation of the Constitution for the Mooresville High School football coach to organize, lead, or participate in prayers or other religious proselytizing before, during, or after games and practices”

It is not. This lie must be fought against at all turns. The very men that wrote the Constitution prayed over it. They opened and closed meetings with prayer. We must fight this at all costs if we are to save our Nation.


24 posted on 02/05/2014 6:39:59 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: xzins

“It is a violation of the Constitution for the Mooresville High School football coach to organize, lead, or participate in prayers “

A BARE FACED LIE!


25 posted on 02/05/2014 6:41:04 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: napscoordinator

“Ok. So why not have everyone arrive 30 minutes earlier on their own time and pray during that time. The school could not say a word.”

Because it concedes a Right to the lawless.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 6:42:55 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Even back in the 1930s, teachers were given simple rules that if they followed them, they could continue being teachers. One of the most important of these rules:

No soap-boxing about politics or religion. You are hired to teach a subject, so teach that subject. Incorporating politics or religion into your subject is not doing what you are paid to do.”

Well said. I agree completely with this, but I still think we should beat the snot out of everyone associated with the FFRF.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 6:53:08 AM PST by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: xzins
I happen to agree, but that want't my point.

My point was that the idiotic Freedom from Religion foundation was targeting only Christianity.

28 posted on 02/05/2014 7:37:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I agree with you Vman. I’m just perturbed that Christians don’t give enemies the sense that an attack on us has consequences. We might not bomb them, but we could have taken a stand and shunned them into oblivion.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 8:32:10 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment does not nullify the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment.

A coach praying with his players is not the government establishing a state religion. It is an individual freely exercising his religion.

30 posted on 02/05/2014 10:30:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: Zippo44

One of their big money backers in an individual named Todd Stiefel, who imagines himself as “the George Soros of atheism.”

“The Secular Coalition for America was founded in 2002 with a melding of four U.S. secular organizations: Atheist Alliance International, the Institute for Humanist Studies, the Secular Student Alliance, and the Secular Web. In 2005 the American Humanist Association became the Coalition’s fifth member organization. The Society for Humanistic Judaism and the Freedom From Religion Foundation joined the Coalition in January 2006, the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers in February 2007, and the American Ethical Union in April 2008. In 2009, Camp Quest joined in January and American Atheists became a member in June. The Council for Secular Humanism joined in January 2010.”


31 posted on 02/05/2014 10:35:30 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly.

In fact, the “establishment” violation is being committed by those attempting to dictate to others the “approved” way to exercise their religion.


32 posted on 02/05/2014 10:38:29 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Adder

This seemingly perennial controversy is due to the low-intensity hostage crisis we call government schooling. So much for government schooling.


33 posted on 02/06/2014 12:30:53 AM PST by Mmmike
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