Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

‘Six Californias’ plan doable, plan says; Could be on November ballot
The Washington Times ^ | February 4, 2014 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 02/05/2014 4:17:28 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

Splitting California into six states would be complicated and time-consuming but not impossible, according to a state analysis.

Tim Draper, the multimillionaire Silicon Valley venture capitalist behind the proposal, said he was encouraged by the California legislative analyst’s report, declaring that dividing the nation’s largest state is “clearly legal and doable.”

“It is obvious that we need a breath of fresh air in California government, and creating six new states allows the refresh we need,” Mr. Draper said in an email after the study was made public over the weekend. “California, as it is, is ungovernable. We need our state governments to be local to us.”

The legislative analyst’s report on the proposed Six Californias amendment shows two of the states becoming richer and four becoming poorer. The smallest and poorest would be the northernmost state of Jefferson.

That doesn’t bother Mark Baird, a spokesman for the Jefferson Declaration Committee, who said the short-term economic hit would be far preferable to the state’s slide into a morass of ever-greater debt, taxes and regulation....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california

1 posted on 02/05/2014 4:17:28 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

This would change the complexion of the Electoral College and I have not seen a map but which party would gain the most from this division?
Freegards
LEX


2 posted on 02/05/2014 4:21:48 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

That would give Dems 10 MORE SENATORS!!


3 posted on 02/05/2014 4:25:09 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah....like I want California to be Gerrymandered into 6 more Democrat states with 12 new Democrat Senators....


4 posted on 02/05/2014 4:26:30 AM PST by Gaffer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

If LA & SF could be walled off/eliminated from US, it would be a good thing.

h/t Martha Stewart


5 posted on 02/05/2014 4:30:18 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Yep, the CA ComDems see the handwriting on the wall and want to pack the Senate to try and maintain control. They know the consequences of loosing the Senate. The whole House of Cards and Lies will fall apart.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 4:30:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Not sure this would give the Dems 10 more Senators. I don’t know much about the geographic breakdown of California politics, but I’m fairly certain the proposed states of Jefferson and Central California would be solidly Republican.


7 posted on 02/05/2014 4:33:47 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (III%)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Just as the UN is loaded with little communist despots, all voting the party line....


8 posted on 02/05/2014 4:35:19 AM PST by ArtDodger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

10 more Lib Senators???????


9 posted on 02/05/2014 4:41:09 AM PST by G Larry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
So California would have 12 Senators instead of just 2???

No Thanks --

10 posted on 02/05/2014 4:41:50 AM PST by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
It doesn't matter. Such things have to be approved by Congress, which will NEVER agree to give California that much more clout.

Article 4, Section 3:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

11 posted on 02/05/2014 4:45:14 AM PST by Doug Loss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
“It is obvious that we need a breath of fresh air in California government, and creating six new states allows the refresh we need,” Mr. Draper said in an email after the study was made public over the weekend. “California, as it is, is ungovernable. We need our state governments to be local to us.”

Draper thinks the issue of being "ungovernable" can be solved by yet more government. This is similar to thinking that the solution to getting sick from food at a restaurant is to order more courses.

12 posted on 02/05/2014 4:50:35 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: newfreep

Who knows? Curt Russell’s “Escape from LA” may become reality one day soon.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 4:53:12 AM PST by Gaffer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about if we just give it back to Mexico instead? We could tap into the oil reserves there then too....


14 posted on 02/05/2014 4:54:07 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

O.K. with me as long as we combine NY, NH, CT, ME, RI, VT, PA, MD, MA into one state (call it Communetticut) and give it two senators.


15 posted on 02/05/2014 4:57:52 AM PST by Ben Hecks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

No. The ‘Rats have a complete hold on the Senate in CA because the rest of the state can’t overcome LA and SF. Look at a map of the current Congressional delegation. Presuming the state-wide races in the new states followed the bulk of the congressional races in the same areas, Jefferson, Central CA, and South CA would most likely elect GOP senators, Silicon Valley and Western CA would elect ‘Rats, and Northern CA would probably lean to the ‘Rats but would be competitive.
The plan would actually improve the partisan composition of the Senate.

Comparing the county maps from the 2004 Presidential election give the same picture, though Obama did better in 2008 and 2012 and would have lost Jefferson, and maybe Central CA, and carried the other four. Still, with a little work, for the future, it would also shift the electoral college to the right.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 5:03:06 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Without LA and SF, the rest of the state would be fairly conservative (unless things have changed that much since I left).

I lived in the Sacramento area. That area turned out the largest number of Bush supporters in the country during the Gore tantrum back in 2000.

I’d like to see CA split off. The people living in the conservative areas should not have their livelihoods destroyed by the rich liberals in LA and the SF Bay Area.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 5:04:17 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

No. See my post #16.


18 posted on 02/05/2014 5:04:22 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Chip

See my post #16.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 5:04:48 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Ben Hecks

You can leave NH out of that thank you very much.


20 posted on 02/05/2014 5:05:55 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Durus

No problem, we can delete NH and add DE.


21 posted on 02/05/2014 5:11:30 AM PST by Ben Hecks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: The_Reader_David

Sorry but with Amnesty looming in the future there will be no part of California leaning right.

And even in your best picture the new plan would still give California a net of 4 Senate seats.

That’s an even bigger No Thanks.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 5:12:23 AM PST by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: The_Reader_David

Most of the counties in NorCal above Sacramento are strongly conservative. Mendocino and Humboldt counties are pretty lib, but can be overcome. Depending on the demarcations, the Senate division could be a 6-6 split, vs. the guaranteed lock for the dems. Also, it breaks apart that 55-EV guarantee the dems get every President election as well. Splitting that mess up out there would be a great idea.


23 posted on 02/05/2014 5:18:42 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

Cali Like the USA Cannot afford the Government it has now!
So you want to make it bigger? One way to reduce unemployment and raise taxes fo sho!


24 posted on 02/05/2014 5:20:29 AM PST by DocJhn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only need one more to get Obammy’s 57 states then.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 5:21:24 AM PST by DonkeyBonker (Hard to paddle against the flow of sewage coming out of the White House.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only need one more to get Obammy’s 57 states then.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 5:21:52 AM PST by DonkeyBonker (Hard to paddle against the flow of sewage coming out of the White House.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Since this is clearly a power grab on the part of the Democrats, how about proposing an alternative?

Home rule for parts of California. This would just require their state legislature to set up a power-sharing agreement so that for most things, parts of the state would be unto themselves; and each part would have a veto over legislation that affected the entire state.

Broad parts of existing state law that overlapped into regional authority could be abrogated. For example, the endless, nit-picking environmental rules. If there was no “overlap”, than an autonomous region could ignore them.

Of course, this would be like pounding nails through the feet of the Democrats, who are terrified of the prospect of losing nit-picking control over the lives of other people.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 5:24:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ben Hecks

While we are at it could we split up TX (the real largest state) into 6 states?


28 posted on 02/05/2014 5:26:35 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Or conservatives could move out and come to Texas and help us fight the blue state clowns and the influx of illegals.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 5:26:43 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The northern states should get along fine....as long as they control the water supply for the south.


30 posted on 02/05/2014 5:26:49 AM PST by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Durus

No, in the annexation treaty, Texas has the right already to be divided into five states, should it desire.

West Texas, where the farmers, ranchers and oil leases are, would love to ditch the contaminated politics of Austin, Houston and San Antonio.


31 posted on 02/05/2014 5:30:28 AM PST by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: The_Reader_David

But splitting the Bay Area into two states just spreads the madness. That makes North California, Silicon Valley, and West California solidly blue. South California has a strong illegal immigrant contingent and would no doubt “pioneer” amnesty. Jefferson might be OK, but you have the granola-crunchers in Redding and Crescent City to worry about.

I can’t imagine CA being much better off going this way, but I could be wrong.


32 posted on 02/05/2014 5:30:45 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer
California to be Gerrymandered into 6 more Democrat states with 12 new Democrat Senators....

BREAKING; Most other blue states to also be planning similar split. "We will own the senate forever even with out Obama getting another term" said said Wassermann-Schultz.
33 posted on 02/05/2014 5:38:37 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: DonkeyBonker

“Only need one more to get Obammy’s 57 states then.”

50 + 5 = 55.

Two more.


34 posted on 02/05/2014 5:48:40 AM PST by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Chip
So California would have 12 Senators instead of just 2???

Don't worry, in an executive order to be signed by BHO before he leaves office ALL Democrat states will be similarly split into 6 states. So we will actually have around 180 (or so +/-) new Senators.

As we all know; BHO will prove to be the the real gift that keeps on giving... for decades!
35 posted on 02/05/2014 5:49:16 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Ben Hecks

LOL! Excellent way to turn lemon into lemonade thinking.


36 posted on 02/05/2014 5:52:03 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: The_Reader_David
Still, with a little work, for the future, it would also shift the electoral college to the right.

Very wishful thinking. 4 million conservative voters did not even vote in the '12 election (compared to '08). There is no way we could expect we could even find enough "home coming kings/queens" who would run for conservative seats at any time in the near future.
37 posted on 02/05/2014 5:59:05 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

12 new California Senators? No thanks.


38 posted on 02/05/2014 6:02:12 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

I think it could start a trend. We could divide Idaho into 30 different states. ABRA CADABRA. 60 new conservative senators!


39 posted on 02/05/2014 6:06:06 AM PST by spudville
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

This would add 10 more US Senator’s to the mix, most of these 10 would be in strongly democrat states, I’d say two to the ten new senators would be conservative the other 8 socialist.


40 posted on 02/05/2014 6:06:09 AM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: txrefugee

5 sounds good to me.


41 posted on 02/05/2014 6:08:31 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'd be stuck in West California.

They'd probably tax me off my land.

42 posted on 02/05/2014 6:09:14 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Neither party will gain from the plan. The Constitution prohibits creating multiple states out of one or one state out of parts of two or more others without the approval of Congress. That approval will NOT be granted because there are too many small states who will see this plan for what it is—a power grab by that type of person who has cause much of the economic chaos in this nation.

Do NOT Californicate the United States!


43 posted on 02/05/2014 6:50:23 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BBB333

DC would probably get its statehood with this “deal”.


44 posted on 02/05/2014 7:14:38 AM PST by MinstrelBoy (If you're a conservative today, you're a hero.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Illinois needs to make Cook County its own state and free the rest of the state to thrive normally. It would also save Cook County because we’d have a lower tax state right next to us.


45 posted on 02/06/2014 7:29:48 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Durus
"the real largest state"
46 posted on 02/06/2014 7:36:59 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: lexington minuteman 1775
This would change the complexion of the Electoral College and I have not seen a map but which party would gain the most from this division?

That would depend on how the new states are carved out.

Here's 2012 by county:


47 posted on 02/06/2014 7:54:12 PM PST by cynwoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jet Jaguar
HA! Fair enough.

I had an Uncle from TX I used to tease about that, I should have known better.

48 posted on 02/07/2014 5:08:31 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson