Skip to comments.‘Six Californias’ plan doable, plan says; Could be on November ballot
Posted on 02/05/2014 4:17:28 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Splitting California into six states would be complicated and time-consuming but not impossible, according to a state analysis.
Tim Draper, the multimillionaire Silicon Valley venture capitalist behind the proposal, said he was encouraged by the California legislative analysts report, declaring that dividing the nations largest state is clearly legal and doable.
It is obvious that we need a breath of fresh air in California government, and creating six new states allows the refresh we need, Mr. Draper said in an email after the study was made public over the weekend. California, as it is, is ungovernable. We need our state governments to be local to us.
The legislative analysts report on the proposed Six Californias amendment shows two of the states becoming richer and four becoming poorer. The smallest and poorest would be the northernmost state of Jefferson.
That doesnt bother Mark Baird, a spokesman for the Jefferson Declaration Committee, who said the short-term economic hit would be far preferable to the states slide into a morass of ever-greater debt, taxes and regulation....
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This would change the complexion of the Electoral College and I have not seen a map but which party would gain the most from this division?
That would give Dems 10 MORE SENATORS!!
Yeah....like I want California to be Gerrymandered into 6 more Democrat states with 12 new Democrat Senators....
If LA & SF could be walled off/eliminated from US, it would be a good thing.
h/t Martha Stewart
Yep, the CA ComDems see the handwriting on the wall and want to pack the Senate to try and maintain control. They know the consequences of loosing the Senate. The whole House of Cards and Lies will fall apart.
Not sure this would give the Dems 10 more Senators. I don’t know much about the geographic breakdown of California politics, but I’m fairly certain the proposed states of Jefferson and Central California would be solidly Republican.
Just as the UN is loaded with little communist despots, all voting the party line....
10 more Lib Senators???????
No Thanks --
Article 4, Section 3:
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
Draper thinks the issue of being "ungovernable" can be solved by yet more government. This is similar to thinking that the solution to getting sick from food at a restaurant is to order more courses.
Who knows? Curt Russell’s “Escape from LA” may become reality one day soon.
How about if we just give it back to Mexico instead? We could tap into the oil reserves there then too....
O.K. with me as long as we combine NY, NH, CT, ME, RI, VT, PA, MD, MA into one state (call it Communetticut) and give it two senators.
No. The ‘Rats have a complete hold on the Senate in CA because the rest of the state can’t overcome LA and SF. Look at a map of the current Congressional delegation. Presuming the state-wide races in the new states followed the bulk of the congressional races in the same areas, Jefferson, Central CA, and South CA would most likely elect GOP senators, Silicon Valley and Western CA would elect ‘Rats, and Northern CA would probably lean to the ‘Rats but would be competitive.
The plan would actually improve the partisan composition of the Senate.
Comparing the county maps from the 2004 Presidential election give the same picture, though Obama did better in 2008 and 2012 and would have lost Jefferson, and maybe Central CA, and carried the other four. Still, with a little work, for the future, it would also shift the electoral college to the right.
Without LA and SF, the rest of the state would be fairly conservative (unless things have changed that much since I left).
I lived in the Sacramento area. That area turned out the largest number of Bush supporters in the country during the Gore tantrum back in 2000.
I’d like to see CA split off. The people living in the conservative areas should not have their livelihoods destroyed by the rich liberals in LA and the SF Bay Area.
No. See my post #16.
See my post #16.
You can leave NH out of that thank you very much.
No problem, we can delete NH and add DE.
Sorry but with Amnesty looming in the future there will be no part of California leaning right.
And even in your best picture the new plan would still give California a net of 4 Senate seats.
That’s an even bigger No Thanks.
Most of the counties in NorCal above Sacramento are strongly conservative. Mendocino and Humboldt counties are pretty lib, but can be overcome. Depending on the demarcations, the Senate division could be a 6-6 split, vs. the guaranteed lock for the dems. Also, it breaks apart that 55-EV guarantee the dems get every President election as well. Splitting that mess up out there would be a great idea.
Cali Like the USA Cannot afford the Government it has now!
So you want to make it bigger? One way to reduce unemployment and raise taxes fo sho!
Only need one more to get Obammy’s 57 states then.
Only need one more to get Obammy’s 57 states then.
Since this is clearly a power grab on the part of the Democrats, how about proposing an alternative?
Home rule for parts of California. This would just require their state legislature to set up a power-sharing agreement so that for most things, parts of the state would be unto themselves; and each part would have a veto over legislation that affected the entire state.
Broad parts of existing state law that overlapped into regional authority could be abrogated. For example, the endless, nit-picking environmental rules. If there was no “overlap”, than an autonomous region could ignore them.
Of course, this would be like pounding nails through the feet of the Democrats, who are terrified of the prospect of losing nit-picking control over the lives of other people.
While we are at it could we split up TX (the real largest state) into 6 states?
Or conservatives could move out and come to Texas and help us fight the blue state clowns and the influx of illegals.
The northern states should get along fine....as long as they control the water supply for the south.
No, in the annexation treaty, Texas has the right already to be divided into five states, should it desire.
West Texas, where the farmers, ranchers and oil leases are, would love to ditch the contaminated politics of Austin, Houston and San Antonio.
But splitting the Bay Area into two states just spreads the madness. That makes North California, Silicon Valley, and West California solidly blue. South California has a strong illegal immigrant contingent and would no doubt “pioneer” amnesty. Jefferson might be OK, but you have the granola-crunchers in Redding and Crescent City to worry about.
I can’t imagine CA being much better off going this way, but I could be wrong.
“Only need one more to get Obammys 57 states then.”
50 + 5 = 55.
LOL! Excellent way to turn lemon into lemonade thinking.
12 new California Senators? No thanks.
I think it could start a trend. We could divide Idaho into 30 different states. ABRA CADABRA. 60 new conservative senators!
This would add 10 more US Senator’s to the mix, most of these 10 would be in strongly democrat states, I’d say two to the ten new senators would be conservative the other 8 socialist.
5 sounds good to me.
They'd probably tax me off my land.
Neither party will gain from the plan. The Constitution prohibits creating multiple states out of one or one state out of parts of two or more others without the approval of Congress. That approval will NOT be granted because there are too many small states who will see this plan for what it is—a power grab by that type of person who has cause much of the economic chaos in this nation.
Do NOT Californicate the United States!
DC would probably get its statehood with this “deal”.
Illinois needs to make Cook County its own state and free the rest of the state to thrive normally. It would also save Cook County because we’d have a lower tax state right next to us.
That would depend on how the new states are carved out.
Here's 2012 by county:
I had an Uncle from TX I used to tease about that, I should have known better.