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Live Thread: House Ways and Means-Subcommittee on Oversight: IRS Oversight
http://www.c-span.org ^ | February 5, 2014 | c-span.org

Posted on 02/05/2014 6:49:35 AM PST by Whenifhow

The House Ways and Means Committee’s Oversight Subcommittee conducted a hearing on oversight at the Internal Revenue Service. Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA) chairs the hearing. People in this video

Boustany, Charles W. Jr. U.S. Representative [R] Louisiana

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hearing; irs; obamacare; oversight
Hearing notice

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=368218

House Ways and Means Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Charles W. Boustany Jr., M.D., (R-LA) today announced that the Subcommittee will hold a hearing with Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Commissioner John Koskinen. The hearing will take place at 9:30 a.m. on Wednesday, February 5, 2014, in room 1100 of the Longworth House Office Building.

The Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, the Honorable John Koskinen, will be the only witness at the hearing. However, any individual or organization not scheduled for an oral appearance may submit a written statement for consideration by the Committee and for inclusion in the printed record of the hearing.

BACKGROUND:

John Koskinen was sworn in as the 48th Commissioner of the IRS on December 23, 2013. This will be Commissioner Koskinen’s first appearance before Congress as Commissioner, allowing for discussion on a wide variety of issues before the IRS that affect American taxpayers. The hearing will focus on the ongoing investigation of IRS targeting, the newly proposed regulations concerning 501(c)(4) groups, the backlog of applications for tax-exempt status, IRS responsibilities under the Affordable Care Act (ACA), and improper payments of tax credits.

The IRS became the subject of intense public scrutiny in May 2013 when it was revealed that agency officials used inappropriate criteria in selecting 501(c)(4) tax-exempt applications based on name and policy position. Despite the fact that Congressional investigations into the targeting have not concluded, on November 29, 2013, the Obama Administration issued new proposed regulations on 501(c)(4) organizations, the first rule change in more than 50 years. In addition to these concerns, the IRS continues to struggle with an enormous backlog in applications for tax-exempt status. There are now almost 8,000 501(c)(3) applications pending at the IRS that are more than a year old.

The hearing will also examine the IRS’s role in the income and data certification functions related to the ACA. These new responsibilities come at a time when the agency is also under scrutiny for its failure to address the growth of improper payments. Over the last ten years, the IRS erroneously made an estimated $140 billion in improper payments arising from refundable tax credits. Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), the largest refundable tax credit, consistently ranks among the top sources for erroneous payments out of all government programs. Last year, 21 to 25 percent of EITC payments were erroneous, costing American taxpayers as much as $13.6 billion.

In announcing the hearing, Chairman Boustany said, “The IRS carries out the critical function of collecting federal revenue—this is why it is alarming that its priorities have gone so far astray. Improper payments and identity theft continue to be major challenges for the agency and yet the IRS devotes more than 800 employees and millions of dollars to ObamaCare implementation. It has acknowledged targeting groups based on their personal beliefs, but now is using that scandal to justify new proposed regulations that will silence the very groups that were abused. The problems at the agency are many, and they are diverse, but what they all have in common is it will be up to Commissioner Koskinen to begin correcting them.”

FOCUS OF THE HEARING:

The hearing will focus on a variety of issues facing the IRS, including the ongoing investigation into the IRS’s targeting of certain tax exempt organizations, proposed regulations regarding 501(c)(4) groups, IRS responsibilities under the ACA, the 501(c)(3) backlog, and improper payments.

1 posted on 02/05/2014 6:49:36 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

http://www.c-span.org/video/?317556-1/317556-1

Hearing began at 9:30 am
Notice of hearing link
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=368218


2 posted on 02/05/2014 6:50:48 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Now if we can just keep Bonehead out of the way!


3 posted on 02/05/2014 6:58:01 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Whenifhow

Unions dominate the IRS.

Felons? [crickets ... What difference does it make?]

Witholding documents?
They don’t even know how many withheld.
[crickets ... What difference does it make?]

There is no REAL oversight.


4 posted on 02/05/2014 7:01:27 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Whenifhow

IRS vs conservatives?

Koskinen lies to Congress says records were
destroyed, when Congress knows that is not true.

Where the conservatives audited?
“Yes, but they deserved it for other reasons.”

Again. Zero transparency. Zero accountability.


5 posted on 02/05/2014 7:07:41 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

There is no REAL oversight.

*************
That is the absolute truth. Its just cheap political theater.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 7:10:04 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard; Diogenesis; Logical me

The hearing itself does not provide oversight. My hope is that something will be revealed so that the trail doesn’t grow cold.

Congress should have more power to terminate appointees IMO.


7 posted on 02/05/2014 7:16:06 AM PST by Whenifhow
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Appreciate all who give play by play for those who can’t access for
One reason or another


8 posted on 02/05/2014 7:17:54 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Whenifhow

The IRS Commissioner says he knows nothing,
has had no interest in anything (past corruption)
and that the agents were “confused”.

He lies to Congress thinking (and knowing) that
most of them are FOOLS.

His goals is to remain this secret, as he keeps
changing the subject saying he will investigate NOTHING.

Americans are screwed, just like with ObamaCARE.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 7:21:31 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Whenifhow

Bureaucracies are VERY GOOD at diffusing responsibility. When something goes wrong, they know how to protect themselves. Only the truely stupid ever get caught or punished, and that is extremely rare.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 7:22:19 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Whenifhow

Bottom Line:

Outstanding Requests from Congress are still ignored.

Public trust is GONE.

No compliance by IRS to Congress.

No interest in accountability OR transparency.

Most of the Congressional chairs are empty.
The EXEMPT could not care less.

It is the IRS-Unions-DNC-criminalIllegals
vs. Americans and the Tea Party


11 posted on 02/05/2014 7:25:59 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: hoosiermama

Black - R - TN
asks new commissioner to clarify - 6 ongoing investigations
asks him to clarify regarding comments on the exempt status

Black - uncovered IRS surveillance to monitor tax exempt status
Groups referred to surveillance were returned for further review
what is the status of surveillance program?
Answer: surveillance is not in existence - IRS will monitor/ reviewed as needed


12 posted on 02/05/2014 7:38:03 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

Sanchez - D - CA
asks about Earned income tax credit fraud
Commissioner responds with “we run that program as well as collecting taxes” and “it is a balancing act”


13 posted on 02/05/2014 7:44:25 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

Jenkins - R - Kansas
asks about subsidies for ACA & possible tax fraud
From Inspector general report:
Lack of fraud mitigation relating to tax credits - no strategy
IRS fraud may not be capable of discovery of fraud.

What is the IRS doing?

Response:
IRS - rollout on our part went very well, despite other issues with rollout.
Estimates of tax credit - reconciliation at the back end
In terms of fraud potential - advance tax premium goes to insurance company & therefore little incentive for fraud

We will get from insurers who is getting subsidies.
We do need to make sure that people are reporting their income correctly and we are developing “screens” for that.

It is an additional burden which no funding has been provided.


14 posted on 02/05/2014 7:50:51 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Starboard
The catch-all answer to hide liberal corruption is:

Sorry...I cannot comment on an ongoing investigation...can hide it for decades!

15 posted on 02/05/2014 7:52:35 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: hoosiermama

Danny Davis - D - Illinois

Training focus yet budget has been cut. How do you motivate staff to allow them to work with less.

Response: Management approach to an organization. I spent my career working in organizations that are under stress.

IRS - 75% budget is people.
Change utilization of our website - apps - where’s my refund?
those are calls that did not have to be handled by agents.

We are using less office space, we have cut contractors and eliminated sending tax booklets.

Davis: What do you hear from staff?
Response: describe limitations based on lack of staff
Encourage information flow from the bottom up so that they know we value their work and opinions.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 7:56:09 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

Marchant - R - Texas

Can you tell us whether there is targeting?
Response: IRS wants a good rapport with taxpayers - we need to deliver with performance.

Marchant: If you discover this type of activity, will there be immediate reporting to this committee and take action to terminate employee?

Response: I will report and act quickly

Marchant: groups that were targeted in my district - many of those groups filled out paperwork with exhaustive questions.

Response: those lists no longer exist

Marchant: Less than 100 names that were disclosed (through groups answers on paperwork)
(he compares the number of those audited with donor list)

Response: our audit rate - over a million audits - higher rate of audits for higher incomes.

Some will be automatically in the audit category based on their income based on procedures.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 8:02:27 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

Crowley - D - NY

Attempt to find a smoking gun....
refers to Obama comment on boneheaded actions.
This committee found otherwise - continues to list no political targeting.

rehashes the history according to his perception

Smoking gun - no new information has come forth
smoking gun is a cap gun


18 posted on 02/05/2014 8:08:26 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

Tom Reed - R - NY
IRS has lost trust.
Obama made statement in interview about “no corruption”.
Yet you stated there are 6 investigations, is that a responsible statement by the President about the status of IRS.
Response: statements in face of open investigation, which draw conclusions when it is still ongoing.

Reed: what I just heard was you don’t want to answer the question.

Answer: it is not my role to respond in a debate about perceptions.

Reed: there is no way to come to a conclusion at this time.

Response: evidence is unfolding.
I won’t second guess comments by anyone.

Reed: restates comment - no conclusion?
Response: yes

Reed: How do you know there is under-staffing issue and how will you measure the fulfillment of actions taken?

Response: how many phone calls go unanswered. that is a measure of lack of staff.

Reed: how do you know that people are not doing their job?

Response: I have been to call centers - and calls not getting answered has nothing to do with “not doing their job”.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 8:15:07 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: hoosiermama

Paulsen - R - MN
Proposed rules for tax exempt status - released in the middle of ongoing investigation
under new rules - would still be able to conduct non-partisan
Correct?
Response: Yes
Further questions on the status and how they differ

Is the intent to drive 501c4 out of status?

Response: Final regulation won’t help unless it solves the issues and will consider comments

Paulsen: groups targeted - what procedures does IRS have in place to know they are not being targeted?

Response: IRS has detailed procedures and assure you those audits are identified by specific details.
IRS will be doing audits in a fair way - it is done independently

Paulsen: would you be willing to work with my office on groups targeted?

response: series of issues - we need to investigate - delighted to work with your office.

When we hear from congress, I want to respond quickly.


20 posted on 02/05/2014 8:24:02 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Kelly - R - PA

Kelly - restore public trust - people come and say use my story but don’t use my name.
how will you turn this around? This is a trust issue.
Make a million 1 in ten chance to be audited?
Response: yes

Kelly: employees of IRS - income amounts

Response: looked into that employee income
employees under critical pay

Kelly: because of your background - called to turn around companies
you are drawing a conclusion - based on facts not being revealed
the truth is we don’t know do we?
Response: No
Kelly: No one can say there is no evidence, because it is not done - those types of answers add to the gap - public trust issue

Kelly: when I am home, they ask how do we know we can trust the government
we give them reasons not to trust us - hearings like this are important
You can’t use my name is chilling
when people say nothing to see here - that’s a clue there is a cover up


21 posted on 02/05/2014 8:31:14 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Sam Johnson - R - Texas

Used by identity thieves - death master file
Dept of Commerce that handles this file has ignored the law

Does it mean the file can still use it?

Response: yes
Johnson: those can be used
Response: Yes

Johnson: IRS and ACA - on taxes
government can sue individuals who do not pay the tax?

response: yes

Johnson: how much would one person have to owe before getting sued?
Response: don’t know
Johnson : IRS management of Individual tax payer numbers

I will introduce legislation to reform taxpayer numbers.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 8:35:13 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Boustany - chair
adjourned


23 posted on 02/05/2014 8:36:09 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Windbag. He could play the oboe.


24 posted on 02/05/2014 9:31:56 AM PST by cornelis
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To: M-cubed

Sorry...I cannot comment on an ongoing investigation...can hide it for decades!

************
They hide behind the investigation, and then turn around and call it an unwarranted, politically motivated fishing expedition.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 10:04:07 AM PST by Starboard
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To: M-cubed
Sorry...I cannot comment on an ongoing investigation...can hide it for decades!

Janet Reno protected the Clinton's very effectively using this scam. She also accepted full responsibility for Waco, whatever that means.

26 posted on 02/05/2014 1:26:32 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: itsahoot

hell!...Hillary has taken full responsibility for Benghazi too....but what difference does it make now...that was along time ago...../s


27 posted on 02/05/2014 4:49:29 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Whenifhow

if obama sent tea partyers to the gulags the republicans still would be to afraid to say boo about it.


28 posted on 02/05/2014 6:00:04 PM PST by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: Whenifhow

Was this IRS Bozo under oath? If not, the entire hearing was a waste of time and, more importantly, taxpayer dollars.


29 posted on 02/06/2014 4:34:46 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: upchuck

Wanted you to see this OTHER LIVE THREAD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3119889/posts?page=25#25

Full Q & A – not fox news

Calls for special prosecutor

6 Minutes
Trey Gowdy blasts Obama - “How can President say there was not a smidgen of corruption!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32ZAqkQxAg

25 posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:48:05 AM by Whenifhow


30 posted on 02/06/2014 5:04:37 PM PST by Whenifhow
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