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Suicide: A silent killer?
Philly.com ^ | Wednesday, February 5, 2014, 3:01 AM | SOLOMON LEACH

Posted on 02/05/2014 10:16:50 AM PST by Phillyred

WHEN LISA Schenke read about the sudden death of University of Pennsylvania freshman Madison Holleran last month, it brought back chilling memories.

Schenke, a North Jersey mother, knew the story all too well: A high-achieving student and varsity athlete ultimately lost a battle with depression. Like Holleran, Schenke's son, Tim, committed suicide - in April 2008, months before he was set to attend Drexel University on an academic scholarship.

"People don't expect depression in young people . . . that are keeping it together, at least for the public," she said. "And that is what Madison was doing, to continue with the school and continuing with the track [team]. Most people would take it that she would come out of it fine because she appeared to have her act together."

Holleran's death was a reminder of the stress many college students face. An Inquirer story last year reported four confirmed suicides involving college students in Philadelphia since the start of the 2012-13 school year...

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: suicide; suicides
So sad. What a beautiful girl.
1 posted on 02/05/2014 10:16:51 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: Phillyred
Her suicide tendencies didn't show up "all of a sudden." Suicide just doesn't happen that way.
There WERE signs of it all through her life, especially in her early to mid teens, where those folks often make life-changing decisions, without a CLUE as to their consequences and repercussions.

Yes, it is SO sad and she WAS a beautiful girl.
She's with her Maker now, safe for eternity.

2 posted on 02/05/2014 10:21:21 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Phillyred
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3 posted on 02/05/2014 10:22:03 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Phillyred

She was also WAY, way too thin. I bet she was anorexic too.


4 posted on 02/05/2014 10:22:15 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Phillyred
Suicide: A silent killer?

...not if you use a .44 magnum.

5 posted on 02/05/2014 10:23:51 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Phillyred

“Suicide victims: Speak out!”


6 posted on 02/05/2014 10:28:43 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Phillyred
Bump for later.

And please don't anyone say that idiocy 'permanent solution to a temporary problem'.

7 posted on 02/05/2014 10:36:13 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Phillyred

“Although it is not typically used to diagnose depression, electroencephalography (EEG) testing has been used to study how depression affects the brain’s function. With EEG, electrodes that are stuck to the head send safe amounts of electrical currents into the brain, causing brain cells to react. Activity appears different in certain parts of the depressed brain — such as those responsible for behavior — than in the brain of a person who does not have depression.”

This being said, it seems to me that institutions like a university could easily afford a high tech version of an EEG, that would be no more difficult to use than putting on a baseball cap. Then, with computer diagnosis, if a student evidenced the clinical signs of depression, they could get further analysis to confirm it, and get the offer of therapy.


8 posted on 02/05/2014 10:47:28 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: cloudmountain

We don’t know -— I’m sorry to say -— whether she is with her Maker now. We must pray for this poor girl’s soul.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 10:53:53 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: Phillyred

I’m sure it’s a sad story but the headline is stupid. As if something called “suicide” is out there stalking unwary prey.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 10:56:31 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: WayneS

Mime abuse; the crime nobody talks about.


11 posted on 02/05/2014 11:05:37 AM PST by Corey Ohlis (Visualize Swirled Peas)
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To: Phillyred

No data but, a lot of people think about suicide, not many act.


12 posted on 02/05/2014 11:10:55 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: showme_the_Glory

Keep in mind that there’s this “silent” kind of suicide, and then there’s the noisy so-called “suicide by cop” we see regularly. I’d bet few of them, maybe none, are considered to be suicides.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 11:21:46 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Phillyred

good grief, she was a stunning beauty with the world in the palm of her hand... her parents must be devastated beyond measure.


14 posted on 02/05/2014 11:31:53 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Appearances aren’t everything. Who knows what was going on in her mind and heart that you cannot see.


15 posted on 02/05/2014 11:36:25 AM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Praying for her soul will do no good now. The moment she died she either went to Heaven or Hell.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 11:49:21 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: cloudmountain

Competitive runner. Probably distance. The dedicated ones often look like cancer victims.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 11:56:49 AM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: SVTCobra03
No, the Bible say "It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."
18 posted on 02/05/2014 12:26:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." James 5:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Can you please reference the scripture verse for that? I don’t remember seeing that in my bible. Thank you.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 1:15:54 PM PST by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: pops88
Here you go, pops88:

2 Maccabees 12:43-46

And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

(For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.


20 posted on 02/05/2014 1:23:43 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." James 5:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Maccabees is not part of the Bible


21 posted on 02/05/2014 1:57:50 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Jesus would have considered it Sacred Scripture.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 2:09:08 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Phillyred

You watch. Next it will be: “nobody can own a gun, because you might commit suicide.” Where are the “right to die” liberals? Freedom for me, never for thee.


23 posted on 02/05/2014 2:16:42 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Patriotic1

Based on what? It goes against what the Bible teaches.


24 posted on 02/05/2014 2:27:50 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
Evidently it's missing from yours.

But I have hopes (sincerely) that you or some other well-informed FReeper can answer this question: who has the authority to take books out of the Bible?

And in particular --- I'd like to know who (name or names) claimed the authority to take seven books out of the King James Bible in 1640?

I find it an intriguing question, and I've never been able to get the answer.

The King James Bible, first published in 1611, contained the full Bible as defined by the earliest Christian canons of the 3 rd-5 th centuries. That is, the 1611 KJV included, not just 66 books, but the entire un-cut Bible (73 books). This “whole” canon approved by Catholic councils and popes in the 3rd-5th centuries, is found in print in the Tyndale-Matthew Bible (1537) , the Great Bible (1539) , the Bishops Bible (1568) , the Protestant Geneva Bible (1560) , and the original King James Bible (1611) ---all of these are Protestant Bibles--- until parts of it were intentionally deleted by a series of subsequent Bible revisers from 1640-1880. This leads to the very natural question, where did they get their new, several-books- smaller Biblical canon, and who authorized that?

25 posted on 02/05/2014 2:32:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/32241-reasons-why-apocrypha-does-not-belong-bible.html#.UvLbIhBdWSo

Reasons why the Apocrypha does not belong in the Bible
Reasons why the Apocrypha does not belong in the Bible
by Ryan Turner (carm.org)

Catholics and Protestants disagree regarding the exact number of books that belong in the Old Testament Scriptures. The dispute between them is over seven books, part of what is known as the Apocrypha: 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Wisdom (Wisdom of Solomon), Baruch, Tobit, Judith, and additions to Daniel and Esther.1 However, there are a number of reasons why the Old Testament Apocrypha should not be part of the Canon, or standard writings of Scripture.

Rejection by Jesus and the Apostles

1. There are no clear, definite New Testament quotations from the Apocrypha by Jesus or the apostles. While there may be various allusions by the New Testament to the Apocrypha, there are no authoritative statements like “thus says the Lord,” “as it is written,” or “the Scriptures say.” There are references in the New Testament to the pseudepigrapha (literally “false writings”) (Jude 14-15) and even citations from pagan sources (Acts 17:22-34), but none of these are cited as Scripture and are rejected even by Roman Catholics. In contrast, the New Testament writers cite the Old Testament numerous times (Mt 5; Lk 24:27; Jn 10:35) and use phrases such as “thus says the Lord,” “as it is written,” or “the Scriptures say,” indicating their approval of these books as inspired by God.

2. Jesus implicitly rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture by referring to the entire accepted Jewish Canon of Scripture, “From the blood of Abel [Gen 4:8] to the blood of Zechariah [2 Chron 24:20], who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation (Lk 11:51; cf. Mt 23:35).”

http://carm.org/apocrypha-it-scripture

Not quoted in the New Testament

First of all, neither Jesus nor the apostles ever quoted from the Apocrypha. There are over 260 quotations of the Old Testament in the New Testament, and not one of them is from these books. Nevertheless, a Roman Catholic might respond by saying that there are several Old Testament books that are not quoted in the New Testament, i.e., Joshua, Judges, Esther, etc. Does this mean that they aren’t inspired either? But, these books had already been accepted into the canon by the Jews, where the Apocrypha had not. The Jews recognized the Old Testament canon and they did not include the Apocrypha in it. This is significant because of what Paul says:

“Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God,” (Rom. 3:1-2).
Paul tells us that the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. This means that they are the ones who understood what inspired Scriptures were and they never accepted the Apocrypha.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 4:48:38 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
Thank you for that explanation, which is of interest to me because I appreciate getting a better understanding of the way people are thinking.

I have counter-points to make against these arguments, but not the time to do so tonight (it's almost my bedtime, and I'm early-out tomorrow.) However let me just make this one observation:

Nobody has yet answered my actual question, which was:

Who has the authority to take books out of the Bible? (Or another way to put it is: Who has the authority to determine which books are Scripture and which are not?)

And in particular --- I'd like to know who (name or names) claimed the authority to take seven books out of the King James Bible in 1640?

The salient point is that Protestant Bibles all ACCEPTED these seven books in Protestant Bibles published in 1537, 1539, 1560, 1568, 1611, by a number of Protestant reformers, translators, theologians, etc. and then pulled those books in 1640.

Who had that authority? Who made that decision? I'm looking for their names, and how they saw their authority to do this.

Thanks for giving me a chance to clarify. G'Night now!

27 posted on 02/05/2014 5:41:26 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: GeronL
Here's one for a *BARF BAG* warning.

The End-Of-Life Decision At Our House

28 posted on 02/05/2014 5:50:10 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html

I haven’t read all of this yet but it seems very thorough. I, too, will be going to bed soon. Maybe we can both read through it tomorrow and discuss it. Very interesting.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 5:50:30 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: SVTCobra03
Praying for her soul will do no good now. The moment she died she either went to Heaven or Hell.

That's it? Nothing in between? What if she lived a GOOD life but the last hour of her life she did something bad? Would she go to Hell because of that last hour bad deed? All the goodness she did and she ends up in Hell?
Hmmmmm, that is a Protestant point of view and you know that we Catholics believe in a purgatory where people can be purged of those sins that didn't earn them immediate HELL. NO ONE on this here good earth is so perfect that s/he goes straight to Heaven!

I'm not scolding or berating, just posing a question. Honestly!

30 posted on 02/05/2014 8:43:31 PM PST by cloudmountain
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