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Florida Woman Furious After SWAT Team Orders Her Out of Her Own Home During Standoff With Neighbor
The Blaze ^ | 2/5/2014 | Elizabeth Kreft

Posted on 02/05/2014 1:28:03 PM PST by Nachum

A Jacksonville homeowner thought she may have been robbed Sunday, but realized instead her home had been altered by a SWAT team.

Deborah Franz was told to leave her home by police during a standoff with her neighbor over the weekend. According to WTEV-TV, Franz overheard loud fighting next door, and then saw SWAT team members swarm the street.

“The cop goes ‘You all need to leave, you can’t be in your house,’” Franz told the station.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; florida; home; lawenforcement; leos; leosoutofcontrol; policestate; standingarmy; swat; swatteam; thirdamendment; woman
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Florida Woman Furious After SWAT Team Orders Her Out of Her Own Home During Standoff With Neighbor and What She Found When She Returned Home

Billoting returns to the colonies...

1 posted on 02/05/2014 1:28:03 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

“Make me.”


2 posted on 02/05/2014 1:31:26 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Nachum

unofficial martial law is here.


3 posted on 02/05/2014 1:32:18 PM PST by llevrok (F the government)
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To: Nachum

“I was the first one that came in the door and I stopped – I froze – because I realized somebody had messed with my TV,” Franz said. Her television and her game console had been moved and unplugged, her blinds were open on several windows, and blankets she had covering some walls were thrown on the floor.

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Ehhh, quit complaining lady. At least they didn’t drink up your beer.

/s


4 posted on 02/05/2014 1:32:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Nachum
According to Rosada, it would be difficult to bring forth a case because there were no damages but he said the JSO should have at least notified her.

Counselor Rosada must've slept through that portion of his 1st-year Civil Procedure class, if the article is correct.

5 posted on 02/05/2014 1:33:37 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Responsibility2nd

and/or shoot your dog


6 posted on 02/05/2014 1:34:04 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Uhh..don’t we have an amendment or two in the constitution about stuff like this?


7 posted on 02/05/2014 1:34:09 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Nachum

Lock the doors and get into the basement or other hidey-hole.

Have nothing to do with the Stasi.

Do not make contact with them under any circumstances.


8 posted on 02/05/2014 1:34:31 PM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Nachum

This would make a nice Third Amendment test case.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 1:35:46 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Nachum

Don’t you love how they even leave their mess behind? There was a similar case recently when they even went through the fridge, and if memory serves me right, they left it open.

Cops today have zero respect for anyone who isn’t a cop.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 1:36:01 PM PST by LevinFan
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To: Nachum

The thing is, each time they do something like this establishes precedent for the next time.


11 posted on 02/05/2014 1:37:21 PM PST by marron
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To: LevinFan

It’s Us against Them, and really, there aren’t that many of Them.


12 posted on 02/05/2014 1:37:55 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Nachum

She was fortunate that she didn’t have a dog.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 1:38:16 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Nachum

According to the story, the guy “SWAT” (standards must be lower these days) had surrounded got away!


14 posted on 02/05/2014 1:46:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Nachum

This goes on and on with more and more abuses.

Want to stop it?

1) Mandate Civilian Review Boards.

2) Mandate residency requirement for all law enforcement - no more armies of occupation.

3) Replace all police chiefs with civilian directors of public safety who answer directly to the taxpayers and not the PBA and FOP.

4) End 20 and out. A life’s pension for a life of service.

5) Mandate a civilian presence in each and every damn police academy class to monitor what these cretins are taught there.

6) End use of paramilitary training, equipment and tactics for dealing with run of the mill criminals. If they need a military presence, call in people who KNOW what they are doing - the National Guard.


15 posted on 02/05/2014 1:48:18 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Nachum

In Indiana you can legally shoot them.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 1:49:12 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: NVDave

There’s already one in the works from a case in Henderson, NV: local PD “requested” use of a home for surveillance of a neighbor and arrested the couple when they refused. Left the house a mess after eating the victim’s food.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 1:50:23 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Nachum

Frankly, if that were to happen to me, I believe that I’d have a medical episode and drop to the floor. “I think you gave me a heart attack!” “I can’t breath!” “Call 911” “Don’t touch me! It hurts so bad!” “Call the Amberlamps!” and so on.


18 posted on 02/05/2014 1:51:31 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Nachum

These Cops ain`t too smart coz they LIVE IN HOUSES, too.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 1:58:19 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Karl Spooner

The Indiana law wouldn’t really apply here. More to the point, they can legally shoot you regardless, and would. Not a smart idea to take on a SWAT team. probably a better idea to suffer from “emotional distress.”


20 posted on 02/05/2014 2:03:05 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Also the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: LevinFan

“Cops today have zero respect for anyone who isn’t a cop.”

BINGO. We got the cop in this county that killed the father in the Wesley Chapel theatre. Case coming up and I have jury duty coming up too.


21 posted on 02/05/2014 2:03:30 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Nachum

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.....


22 posted on 02/05/2014 2:06:09 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Gaffer

Frankly, if that were to happen to me, I believe that I’d have a medical episode and drop to the floor.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Great advice...
even when involved in a shooting...at least claim you are under stress but ‘keep your wits about you’ long enough to say “If you are going to read me my rights, you can skip down to the part where you say ‘If you desire a lawyer, one will be provided etc etc’
“Even so, you do NOT have permission to search me or my vehicle and I will option to remain silent until I am properly represented”.
THEN you can go into ‘shock’.
Thank you Officer.

Then take your beating like a man...hopefully recorded etc..


23 posted on 02/05/2014 2:06:17 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --Every wonder why when they refer to People of Color it doesn't include Asians??)
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To: Nachum
U.S. Constitution, Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Another part of the Bill of Rights down the toilet.

24 posted on 02/05/2014 2:10:16 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: Nachum

In reality, I can only think of one thing that would stop things like this from happening...


25 posted on 02/05/2014 2:10:56 PM PST by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: George from New England
“Case coming up and I have jury duty coming up too.”

That is an explicit threat that if you are on that jury, you found him guilty already.

Regardless of what you feel about a case, what you think about the facts of the case as a juror should drive your decision.

Just a thought. . .other may feel differently.

26 posted on 02/05/2014 2:31:14 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Carl Vehse
Which brings up a question: Are police legally considered “soldiers”?

Does the Third Amendment apply to local law enforcement?

Interesting question.

I think the Fourth Amendment has more applicability here.

27 posted on 02/05/2014 2:33:24 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Nachum

” family that had their doors knocked down by a local SWAT team serving a search warrant.”

but they love kickin in doors ! It’s fun! Some of them utilize martial arts side kicks , some learned forcible entry while in the Service and this is the only time they get to practice .

and amazingly most folks in the US never take the time to ‘harden their doors’ , so a simple quick ,well placed kick is all it takes . harden your doors folks . Add steel to the entire framework and back up the dead bolts with steel plate , set those hinge inside .

Oh , I forget they can always just bring along a breaching shotgun .


28 posted on 02/05/2014 2:37:11 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Fiji Hill
"She was fortunate that
she didn’t have a dog."
or cat, caged parakeet or tank of guppies..any animal would work as target practice.

29 posted on 02/05/2014 2:38:16 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: ZULU
My local police department has most of those in effect already. Thing is, while many moan about the police and demand such things, very few actually volunteer their time to audit a police academy class or ride along.

End of this month I am one of just a couple of civilian volunteers to audit a police academy class. The public relations division is asking if we can find others that want to audit other classes. . .they run adverts in the local paper, run spots on the radio. . .hardly anybody asks.

Oh, number 3 is a little odd to me. The police chiefs answer to the City Manager or Mayor. Adding a civilian “chief” would mean the guy would be answering to the same City Manager of Mayor.

30 posted on 02/05/2014 2:39:10 PM PST by Hulka
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To: ZULU

Something must change.


31 posted on 02/05/2014 2:39:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: George from New England
How would you vote on this one? No weapon was found. It helps to pause the video repeatedly when they shoot him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbjsvd0MNg

32 posted on 02/05/2014 2:40:32 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: ZULU

Feh...get their names, find their homes. Visit them at night. Some of the founding fathers did such and many problems were solved.


33 posted on 02/05/2014 2:44:58 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: jimjohn

Same here, FRiend.


34 posted on 02/05/2014 2:45:25 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Karl Spooner

Yup. I remember that.
THAT was an execution.


35 posted on 02/05/2014 2:47:41 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Nachum

They unplugged the TV and game console because they both can be used to see or hear what’s going on in the room.


36 posted on 02/05/2014 2:49:32 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Nachum
Charge them rent for using the property. Add a surcharge for not making a reservation, and a clean up fee to return it to its original condition.

-PJ

37 posted on 02/05/2014 2:50:36 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Karl Spooner

And there were those on this forum that defended the police for killing him.


38 posted on 02/05/2014 3:01:56 PM PST by sport
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To: LeoWindhorse
Oh , I forget they can always just bring along a breaching shotgun .

I saw some steel doors when I was in Europe which a breaching shotgun would have a hard time with. Wood over steel with multiple bolts.

39 posted on 02/05/2014 3:04:37 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Nachum

i’m pretty certain this exact situation is expressly forbidden in the Constitution

assuming anyone bothers to read it anymore


40 posted on 02/05/2014 3:05:42 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Nachum

“No.”


41 posted on 02/05/2014 3:11:04 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Such visits might not be the wisest of things, especially if they know they’re likely to get threats.

Based on that, such action leaves a lot of opportunity for it to backfire. One wrong move or misinterpretation, and it’d put you on the wrong side of the law(whether or not you were right to do so).

To each their own, but there’s doing it the tough way and there’s doing it the smart way.


42 posted on 02/05/2014 3:16:52 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: RandallFlagg

And it will be sent to every cop school in the country to show that it was justified and acceptable.


43 posted on 02/05/2014 3:19:19 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
At this point, the unarmed offender took another 2 rounds in the back.


44 posted on 02/05/2014 3:57:24 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
At this point the offender is shot twice in the back.

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45 posted on 02/05/2014 4:06:23 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: PapaBear3625; LeoWindhorse
Wood over steel with multiple bolts.

Water impulse charges would make short work of that.
Jus' sayin'

46 posted on 02/05/2014 6:41:57 PM PST by Sarajevo (Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world)
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To: Gene Eric
It's gonna change. Gonna get much worse.

The 30+ million illegals and their extended families won't even bat an eye at this stuff either.

47 posted on 02/05/2014 6:44:32 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Nachum

Fighting next door?

No weapons mentioned?

And this required a military style commando swat team response?


48 posted on 02/05/2014 7:03:04 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hulka; George from New England

“Case coming up and I have jury duty coming up too.”

“That is an explicit threat that if you are on that jury, you found him guilty already.”

______________________________________________________

I did see any explicit threat from the poster.


49 posted on 02/05/2014 7:07:07 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“It’s Us against Them, and really, there aren’t that many of Them.”

I just wonder how they’d really handle a real uprising like what apparently happened in Ukraine I think it was.

Look at how they reacted to just one man, Dorner. Thousands of cops pissing and crapping themselves over one man, and their individual odds of being the one that met him were lower than Lotto odds.
Nor is that the only example about police ‘courage’.

Cops left their courage behind, along with their ability to see others as real people. Now they are just machines who’s only concern that is greater than serving their pay master is avoiding any risk possible. Push comes to shove, they’ll climb in a hole and put their own children in front of them as shields.

I didn’t leave anyone with the idea that I have respect for cops, did I?


50 posted on 02/05/2014 7:12:15 PM PST by LevinFan
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