Skip to comments.What Motivates the Left, Envy or Greed?
Posted on 02/05/2014 2:33:05 PM PST by Kaslin
Why do statists support higher tax rates?
The most obvious answer is greed. In other words, leftists want more tax money since they personally benefit when theres a larger burden of government spending. And the greed can take many forms.
They may want bigger government because theyre welfare recipients getting handouts.
They may want bigger government because they are overpaid bureaucrats administering ever-growing programs.
They may want bigger government because theyre lobbyists manipulating the system and its good to have more loot circulating.
They may want bigger government because theyre one of the manyinterest groups feeding at the federal trough.
Or they may want bigger government because they are politicians seeking to buy votes.
But greed isnt the only answer.
Some statists want higher tax rates for reasons of spite and envy.
Consider this poll from the United Kingdom. It shows that an overwhelming majority of Labour voters want higher tax rates even if the government doesnt collect any money.
These numbers are remarkable. Its not just that the Labour Party is filled with people who want to punish success, Im also dismayed to see that 16 percent of Tory voters and 35 percent of UKIP voters also want class-warfare tax hikes solely as an instrument of envy (though, given the mentality of some of their leaders, Im pleasantly surprised that only 29 percent of Lib Dems are motivated by spite).
What about Americans? Do they have the same mentality?
We dont have identical polling data, so its hard to say. But it would be very interesting to show leftists the IRS data from the 1980s, which unambiguously demonstrates that rich people paid more tax after Reagan dramatically lowered the top rate, and then see how they would answer the same question.
If theyre motivated by greed, they would favor Reagans tax cuts. But if theyre motivated by envy, like leftists in the United Kingdom, theyll be against Reagans lower tax rates.
Unfortunately, theres at least one prominent statist in America who has the same views as Englands Labour Party voters. Pay close attention at the 4:20 mark of this video.
Five Key Reasons to Reject Class-Warfare Tax Policy
Yes, you heard correctly. President Obama wants higher tax rates and class-warfare tax policy even if the government doesnt collect any additional money.
Which means, of course, that hes willing to undermine American competitiveness and reduce economic output solely to penalize entrepreneurs, investors, small business owners, and other rich taxpayers.
P.S. By the way, the poll of UK voters wasnt merely a theoretical question. The previous Labour Party government raised the top tax rate from 40 percent to 50 percent near the end of last decade and theres very strong evidence that this tax hike failed to raise any revenue. In all likelihood, the then-Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, imposed the class-warfare policy in hopes of gaining votes in the upcoming election.
P.P.S. Notwithstanding their many flaws, at least the folks who work for left-leaning international bureaucracies acknowledge the Laffer Curve and generally argue against pushing tax rates above the revenue-maximizing level.
Since it takes a lot to be to the left of the United Nations, that gives you an idea of where Obama (and UK Labour Party voters) are on the ideological spectrum. Which is why I made the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Birthers accuse Obama of being born in Denmark rather than Kenya.
There are two kinds of people in the world.
Those who just want to be left alone, and those who just won’t leave them alone.
Most of the Left fits into the latter category, which is, basically, power.
They want to have power over others.
-— POWER -—
The leadership. The rank and file is motivated by base desire and their vices.
Definitely envy, complicated by the will to power and megalomania.
Linda Loooooo ... knows.
Jealousy is both reasonable and belongs to reasonable men, while envy is base and belongs to the base, for the one makes himself get good things by jealousy, while the other does not allow his neighbour to have them through envy. ~Aristotle
They’re the types that want someone else to do things, so they can completely abdicate responsibility for their lives and that of others. As long as they can, they will look for someone to take care of them and handle ‘unpleasant’ things. If someone like a family member needs help, they turn their backs because they ‘just can’t handle’ things and another facet is a kind of wanting someone else to do the necessary, but at the same time, don’t like ‘ugly’ methods or ‘ugly’ words or again, ‘unpleasant’ things.
Each and every single day is about being surrounded by pretty pleasant things. They want to make no effort. This is why a lot of suburban housewives vote Democrat, even as their husbands slave away to continue to provide a nice life, even as taxes climb more and more upwards. They also think that they can uplift the losers, but don’t want to do the work themselves and like to leave things to other people. It’s a chronic determination to be ignorant about what other people (like the working class) think and go through.
As for their kids, they’ll fight against busing and integration since their brats (future world leaders) are the ones that would face it. They’re the types that won’t believe that THEIR kids are capable of bad things and could end up being bad people. They just want others to foot the bill for their free ride in life. They don’t WANT to know about the realities of day to day life for working class whites; they don’t mind a member of the working class to fix things and work, but the idea of letting them socialize with them is abhorrent.
It’s a deliberate immature ignorance that makes them unwilling to grow up.
I think hatred is the biggest factor.
They hate anyone who doesn't think like them.
They even hate anyone who suggests there might be a valid alternate view.
I think for a lot of lefties the fear of not being included. Whether it is the all important cocktail party or friends at Starbucks.
I don’t think that is what motivates them. This is what they suffer from
NEITHER! The basic principle liberals operate under is that there is a giant ball of wealth which is constant and stagnant. The rich 1% own lion’s share of that wealth ball.
What the liberals do not understand is that wealth in any country is not stagnant and constant. Wealth has to be created every hour, every day, every month, every year. Manufacturing, mining, agriculture and applied research are the major wealth creators. All of them must be nurtured and encouraged. And that requires there must be a reward to those who work to keep the effort going.
Taxes and regulations are hindrance to wealth creation.
Envy and greed are merely attributes of the same sin.
Hatred of God and love of Satan?
Power over other people.
Pride. They are insufferably righteous about being right.
Look at Obamacare’s hideous website malfunction and the CBO’s disasterous employment projections.
The left will not admit this Thing needs to file thirteened.
It does, but they will never admit it.
Both...plus a lot of hatred.
If you think about it, the Democrat party has long been the “Seven Deadly Sins” party.
However, in all fairness, they have enlarged the list to incorporate ever more sinful acts.
My dear old Dad was a lefty for forever. I didn’t realize it until I matured and was able to “see” his faults, but still love him because after all, he was only human.
But I could never fathom his rants and tirades against doctors, and other professional people. He hated them. He ridiculed them, he called them “greedy ba$$tards.”
One day, I interjected that those folk spent YEARS of study and hard work to get to where they were at. The explosion was instant and profound.
My mother later pulled me aside and told me to not discuss or argue with him on those issues.
Jealousy drove him. His hatred for professional or educated people was right on the surface.
Enter me, he was proud as hell when I got the education I got, but on unguarded moments, out it came. “So, you think you’re better than the ‘workin man’?”
When I reminded him that I “worked” too, and real hard, (which he knew) his face would go purple and he would go silent.
He was not a greedy man, but his union bosses were. Pop just could NOT bring himself to see that those scumbags, who “took” his hard earned dollars, were actually worse than the corporate pigs he worked for, hated and who “paid” him really well.
I know lefties are greedy as hell, and they DON’T want to work for it. But my experience was that many of the rank and file, like my dad, were driven by simple envy.
GREED! Always greed as you notice that none of the liberals in congress or state gov’t ends up poor after getting into office.
Ambivalence, (having two conflicting emotions at the same time), is also part of the typical Juvenile Liberal stunted emotional development.
Thus, to your question: Greed or Envy? The answer is YES!
After all, where would B. Hussein be without the conflicting emotions of Love and Hate; Admiration and Class Envy; and, of course, Truth and Lies.
Excellent quote, thanks!
Hatred - because they hate their own hollow lives,
Envy - others, for having lives.
They will endlessly seek power over others, because they have none over themselves.
Envy and Hatred are COMPULSIONS. They have no power to quell them inside.
Their purpose is to run on the wholesale violating of all 10 Commandments and then appointing themselves as God to justify it!
"The vision of the left is not just a vision of the world. For many, it is also a vision of themselves -- a very flattering vision of people trying to save the planet, rescue the exploited, create 'social justice' and otherwise be on the side of the angels.
"This is an exalting vision that few are ready to give up, or to risk on a roll of the dice, which is what submitting it to the test of factual evidence amounts to. Maybe that is why there are so many fact-free arguments on the left, whether on gun control, minimum wages or innumerable other issues -- and why they react so viscerally to those who challenge their vision."
Everything else is secondary ... first and foremost, the leftist lusts for power. The leftist doesn't worship God, the leftist thinks he IS god.
Power and Control, both go together.
The left is envious of the power the opposition holds
and greedy because as long as there IS opposition
they don’t have enough power.
Laziness...most leftists I’ve known are allergic to real work.
Greed is just a subform of envy. Envy eventually matures into hate, theft, adultery, violence, destruction, murder, war, and voting Democrat. Envy is an unfortunate side effect of vanity. The origin of all human evil can be traced back to vanity... so really all is vanity.
Liberals minds don’t seem to work the way normal people’s minds work. I *think* it’s what “obtuse” is, but I’m not sure. Agree that there’s a lot of hatred- to the point of depravity, & that they really go whole hog when they think they’ve got the power, but mostly, they’re just nuts. There doesn’t have to be a “reason”- one will be along any minute now.
I would love to know if there is a psychological disorder/ definition that goes with it. (like that’s going to happen)
envy and greed are two fingers on the same hand
Demonism comes to mind.
The big Kahunas..power.
It’s the big Kahunas job to re-enforce the ‘envy’ paradigm.
Yep. Revenge is one, too. Imho, liberals (or progressives or whatever they’re calling themselves at the moment) seem to have an affinity for spiraling self destruction. I guess that’s their right. The trouble is that they insist on dragging everyone else down with them & calling it helpful.
The left panders to covetousness and envy.
It does for me too. I’ve often asked myself if some of these people are evil (possessed) or just crazy.
I always like this quote from Lenin regarding what you said.
“We must hate - hatred is the basis of communism. Children must be taught to hate their parents if they are not communists.”
Vladimir Ilich Lenin
Source: 1923 Speech to the Commissars of Education
I’m fascinated by this discussion. I have to wonder what the Left would be posting about the right/conservatives if they were addressing the same question.
Any Trolls out there want to respond?
EVIL....THAT”S what motivates the LEFT... the LOVE of EVIL!!!
I can add that a large proportion of "progressives" possess a feeling of entitlement that knows little bound; and, almost none of them have a smidgeon (to use an Obamanian term) of an idea about from whence money comes.
Conservatives need to go on the offense and become militant in their pronouncements. This is what Andrew Breitbart prescribed before he was killed, or died, or whatever happened.
It is as much a clash of cultures between the democrat and conservative as between the west and the muslims. We had better wake up. It is already late in the game.
But a great many Dem voters I've known simply hate the rich. They even hate superrich libs like Bill Gates. He's a multi-billionaire, and they're not. Simple as that.
The politics of envy take control the world over at a population density above 800 people per square mile. Most Democrats live in large unhappy cities where the population density is similar to Europe. They don't own the buildings, token parks, and trains that surround them, they are communal, hence the communism.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.