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What Motivates the Left, Envy or Greed?
Townhall.com ^ | February 5, 2014 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 02/05/2014 2:33:05 PM PST by Kaslin

Why do statists support higher tax rates?

The most obvious answer is greed. In other words, leftists want more tax money since they personally benefit when there’s a larger burden of government spending. And the greed can take many forms.

They may want bigger government because they’re welfare recipients getting handouts.

They may want bigger government because they are overpaid bureaucrats administering ever-growing programs.

They may want bigger government because they’re lobbyists manipulating the system and it’s good to have more loot circulating.

They may want bigger government because they’re one of the manyinterest groups feeding at the federal trough.

Or they may want bigger government because they are politicians seeking to buy votes.

But greed isn’t the only answer.

Some statists want higher tax rates for reasons of spite and envy.

Consider this poll from the United Kingdom. It shows that an overwhelming majority of Labour voters want higher tax rates even if the government doesn’t collect any money.

Class Warfare UK Tax Poll

These numbers are remarkable. It’s not just that the Labour Party is filled with people who want to punish success, I’m also dismayed to see that 16 percent of Tory voters and 35 percent of UKIP voters also want class-warfare tax hikes solely as an instrument of envy (though, given the mentality of some of their leaders, I’m pleasantly surprised that “only” 29 percent of Lib Dems are motivated by spite).

What about Americans? Do they have the same mentality?

We don’t have identical polling data, so it’s hard to say. But it would be very interesting to show leftists the IRS data from the 1980s, which unambiguously demonstrates that rich people paid more tax after Reagan dramatically lowered the top rate, and then see how they would answer the same question.

If they’re motivated by greed, they would favor Reagan’s tax cuts. But if they’re motivated by envy, like leftists in the United Kingdom, they’ll be against Reagan’s lower tax rates.

Unfortunately, there’s at least one prominent statist in America who has the same views as England’s Labour Party voters. Pay close attention at the 4:20 mark of this video.

Five Key Reasons to Reject Class-Warfare Tax Policy

Yes, you heard correctly. President Obama wants higher tax rates and class-warfare tax policy even if the government doesn’t collect any additional money.

Which means, of course, that he’s willing to undermine American competitiveness and reduce economic output solely to penalize entrepreneurs, investors, small business owners, and other “rich” taxpayers.

Remarkable.

P.S. By the way, the poll of UK voters wasn’t merely a theoretical question. UK Laffer Curve Class WarfareThe previous Labour Party government raised the top tax rate from 40 percent to 50 percent near the end of last decade and there’s very strong evidence that this tax hike failed to raise any revenue. In all likelihood, the then-Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, imposed the class-warfare policy in hopes of gaining votes in the upcoming election.

P.P.S. Notwithstanding their many flaws, at least the folks who work for left-leaning international bureaucracies acknowledge the Laffer Curve and generally argue against pushing tax rates above the revenue-maximizing level.

Since it takes a lot to be to the left of the United Nations, that gives you an idea of where Obama (and UK Labour Party voters) are on the ideological spectrum. Which is why I made the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Birthers accuse Obama of being born in Denmark rather than Kenya.


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1 posted on 02/05/2014 2:33:05 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

POWER......................


2 posted on 02/05/2014 2:34:01 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

and hatred


3 posted on 02/05/2014 2:35:59 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Kaslin

Mental illness.


4 posted on 02/05/2014 2:36:23 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Kaslin

There are two kinds of people in the world.

Those who just want to be left alone, and those who just won’t leave them alone.

Most of the Left fits into the latter category, which is, basically, power.

They want to have power over others.


5 posted on 02/05/2014 2:36:41 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Red Badger

-— POWER -—

The leadership. The rank and file is motivated by base desire and their vices.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 2:37:10 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Kaslin

Definitely envy, complicated by the will to power and megalomania.


7 posted on 02/05/2014 2:37:46 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Kaslin

Linda Loooooo ... knows.


8 posted on 02/05/2014 2:38:06 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kaslin

Psychosis.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 2:38:30 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: Kaslin

Jealousy is both reasonable and belongs to reasonable men, while envy is base and belongs to the base, for the one makes himself get good things by jealousy, while the other does not allow his neighbour to have them through envy. ~Aristotle


10 posted on 02/05/2014 2:42:49 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Kaslin; clintonh8r; Red Badger

They’re the types that want someone else to do things, so they can completely abdicate responsibility for their lives and that of others. As long as they can, they will look for someone to take care of them and handle ‘unpleasant’ things. If someone like a family member needs help, they turn their backs because they ‘just can’t handle’ things and another facet is a kind of wanting someone else to do the necessary, but at the same time, don’t like ‘ugly’ methods or ‘ugly’ words or again, ‘unpleasant’ things.

Each and every single day is about being surrounded by pretty pleasant things. They want to make no effort. This is why a lot of suburban housewives vote Democrat, even as their husbands slave away to continue to provide a nice life, even as taxes climb more and more upwards. They also think that they can uplift the losers, but don’t want to do the work themselves and like to leave things to other people. It’s a chronic determination to be ignorant about what other people (like the working class) think and go through.

As for their kids, they’ll fight against busing and integration since their brats (future world leaders) are the ones that would face it. They’re the types that won’t believe that THEIR kids are capable of bad things and could end up being bad people. They just want others to foot the bill for their free ride in life. They don’t WANT to know about the realities of day to day life for working class whites; they don’t mind a member of the working class to fix things and work, but the idea of letting them socialize with them is abhorrent.

It’s a deliberate immature ignorance that makes them unwilling to grow up.


11 posted on 02/05/2014 2:43:16 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Westbrook

Exactly


12 posted on 02/05/2014 2:44:25 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: clintonh8r
and hatred

I think hatred is the biggest factor.

They hate anyone who doesn't think like them.

They even hate anyone who suggests there might be a valid alternate view.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 2:44:39 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Kaslin

I think for a lot of lefties the fear of not being included. Whether it is the all important cocktail party or friends at Starbucks.


14 posted on 02/05/2014 2:46:03 PM PST by sierrahome
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To: C210N

I don’t think that is what motivates them. This is what they suffer from


15 posted on 02/05/2014 2:46:25 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

NEITHER! The basic principle liberals operate under is that there is a giant ball of wealth which is constant and stagnant. The rich 1% own lion’s share of that wealth ball.

What the liberals do not understand is that wealth in any country is not stagnant and constant. Wealth has to be created every hour, every day, every month, every year. Manufacturing, mining, agriculture and applied research are the major wealth creators. All of them must be nurtured and encouraged. And that requires there must be a reward to those who work to keep the effort going.

Taxes and regulations are hindrance to wealth creation.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 2:47:36 PM PST by entropy12 (If you did not vote, you helped elect the community organizer from south side of Chicago.)
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To: La Lydia

BTTT


17 posted on 02/05/2014 2:48:44 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Envy and greed are merely attributes of the same sin.


18 posted on 02/05/2014 2:52:48 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Kaslin

Hatred of God and love of Satan?


19 posted on 02/05/2014 2:53:02 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Kaslin
Self justification.
Their desire fro Moral Superiority.
They feel good or blessed by the praise of their peers.
This gives them a feeling of entitlement of royal treatment.
They deserve the fat or the best portions of what they steal from the
Greedy Capitalist pigs and give the scraps to the “less fortunate” who are
content to live in conditions caused by “the capitalists.”
All they need to do is pin all that is wrong on the Capitalists.
Now the Capitalists are selling the rope that will hang them by
willingly participating in their own destruction because the carcass has been pickex clean and they want to be safe when the “less fortunate” wake up and realize they are starving.
20 posted on 02/05/2014 2:55:45 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Kaslin

Power over other people.


21 posted on 02/05/2014 2:55:59 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Kaslin

Pride. They are insufferably righteous about being right.

Look at Obamacare’s hideous website malfunction and the CBO’s disasterous employment projections.

The left will not admit this Thing needs to file thirteened.

It does, but they will never admit it.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 3:00:11 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Kaslin
What Motivates the Left, Envy or Greed?

Both...plus a lot of hatred.

23 posted on 02/05/2014 3:01:14 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Kaslin

If you think about it, the Democrat party has long been the “Seven Deadly Sins” party.

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

However, in all fairness, they have enlarged the list to incorporate ever more sinful acts.

Tyranny
Dehumanization
Human Sacrifice
Genocide
Philistinism
Racketeering
Surveillance
Treason
National Immolation


24 posted on 02/05/2014 3:02:44 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Kaslin

My dear old Dad was a lefty for forever. I didn’t realize it until I matured and was able to “see” his faults, but still love him because after all, he was only human.

But I could never fathom his rants and tirades against doctors, and other professional people. He hated them. He ridiculed them, he called them “greedy ba$$tards.”

One day, I interjected that those folk spent YEARS of study and hard work to get to where they were at. The explosion was instant and profound.

My mother later pulled me aside and told me to not discuss or argue with him on those issues.

Jealousy drove him. His hatred for professional or educated people was right on the surface.

Enter me, he was proud as hell when I got the education I got, but on unguarded moments, out it came. “So, you think you’re better than the ‘workin man’?”

When I reminded him that I “worked” too, and real hard, (which he knew) his face would go purple and he would go silent.

He was not a greedy man, but his union bosses were. Pop just could NOT bring himself to see that those scumbags, who “took” his hard earned dollars, were actually worse than the corporate pigs he worked for, hated and who “paid” him really well.

I know lefties are greedy as hell, and they DON’T want to work for it. But my experience was that many of the rank and file, like my dad, were driven by simple envy.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 3:02:57 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Kaslin

GREED! Always greed as you notice that none of the liberals in congress or state gov’t ends up poor after getting into office.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 3:14:59 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Kaslin; nikos1121; laplata; All

Ambivalence, (having two conflicting emotions at the same time), is also part of the typical Juvenile Liberal stunted emotional development.

Thus, to your question: Greed or Envy? The answer is YES!

After all, where would B. Hussein be without the conflicting emotions of Love and Hate; Admiration and Class Envy; and, of course, Truth and Lies.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 3:16:00 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: MarineBrat

Excellent quote, thanks!

Hatred - because they hate their own hollow lives,
and
Envy - others, for having lives.

They will endlessly seek power over others, because they have none over themselves.
Envy and Hatred are COMPULSIONS. They have no power to quell them inside.


28 posted on 02/05/2014 3:17:41 PM PST by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Great post


29 posted on 02/05/2014 3:20:30 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Actually, after thinking about it, I have concluded the Left isn't restricting itself to simply running on wholesale violations of the 10th Commandment and being satisfied with that.

Their purpose is to run on the wholesale violating of all 10 Commandments and then appointing themselves as God to justify it!

30 posted on 02/05/2014 3:23:24 PM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: Kaslin
I think Thomas Sowell got it right in a recent column. I don't think he'd mind my quoting a little of it:

"The vision of the left is not just a vision of the world. For many, it is also a vision of themselves -- a very flattering vision of people trying to save the planet, rescue the exploited, create 'social justice' and otherwise be on the side of the angels.

"This is an exalting vision that few are ready to give up, or to risk on a roll of the dice, which is what submitting it to the test of factual evidence amounts to. Maybe that is why there are so many fact-free arguments on the left, whether on gun control, minimum wages or innumerable other issues -- and why they react so viscerally to those who challenge their vision."

31 posted on 02/05/2014 3:26:40 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Red Badger
POWER......................

Yes.

Everything else is secondary ... first and foremost, the leftist lusts for power. The leftist doesn't worship God, the leftist thinks he IS god.

32 posted on 02/05/2014 3:28:34 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Red Badger

Power and Control, both go together.


33 posted on 02/05/2014 3:30:56 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Red Badger

The left is envious of the power the opposition holds
and greedy because as long as there IS opposition
they don’t have enough power.


34 posted on 02/05/2014 3:32:37 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kaslin

Laziness...most leftists I’ve known are allergic to real work.


35 posted on 02/05/2014 3:33:43 PM PST by twister881
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To: pgkdan

Greed is just a subform of envy. Envy eventually matures into hate, theft, adultery, violence, destruction, murder, war, and voting Democrat. Envy is an unfortunate side effect of vanity. The origin of all human evil can be traced back to vanity... so really all is vanity.


36 posted on 02/05/2014 3:38:25 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Kaslin

Liberals minds don’t seem to work the way normal people’s minds work. I *think* it’s what “obtuse” is, but I’m not sure. Agree that there’s a lot of hatred- to the point of depravity, & that they really go whole hog when they think they’ve got the power, but mostly, they’re just nuts. There doesn’t have to be a “reason”- one will be along any minute now.

I would love to know if there is a psychological disorder/ definition that goes with it. (like that’s going to happen)


37 posted on 02/05/2014 3:40:40 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: KGeorge

envy and greed are two fingers on the same hand


38 posted on 02/05/2014 3:43:08 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: KGeorge

Demonism comes to mind.


39 posted on 02/05/2014 3:47:18 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Red Badger

The peons...envy

The big Kahunas..power.

It’s the big Kahunas job to re-enforce the ‘envy’ paradigm.


40 posted on 02/05/2014 3:47:39 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: GeronL

Yep. Revenge is one, too. Imho, liberals (or progressives or whatever they’re calling themselves at the moment) seem to have an affinity for spiraling self destruction. I guess that’s their right. The trouble is that they insist on dragging everyone else down with them & calling it helpful.


41 posted on 02/05/2014 3:48:04 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Kaslin

The left panders to covetousness and envy.


42 posted on 02/05/2014 3:48:29 PM PST by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Kackikat

It does for me too. I’ve often asked myself if some of these people are evil (possessed) or just crazy.


43 posted on 02/05/2014 3:51:33 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: Iron Munro

I always like this quote from Lenin regarding what you said.

“We must hate - hatred is the basis of communism. Children must be taught to hate their parents if they are not communists.”

Vladimir Ilich Lenin

Source: 1923 Speech to the Commissars of Education


44 posted on 02/05/2014 3:54:35 PM PST by xp38
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To: Kaslin

I’m fascinated by this discussion. I have to wonder what the Left would be posting about the right/conservatives if they were addressing the same question.
Any Trolls out there want to respond?


45 posted on 02/05/2014 4:00:10 PM PST by mistfree (Their & There, they're not the same)
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To: Kaslin

EVIL....THAT”S what motivates the LEFT... the LOVE of EVIL!!!


46 posted on 02/05/2014 4:17:15 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin
Having worked with "progressives" for decades, I observe that many have both a desperate desire for power and authority; and also contempt and loathing for the private citizen. (These go together as a matched set.)

I can add that a large proportion of "progressives" possess a feeling of entitlement that knows little bound; and, almost none of them have a smidgeon (to use an Obamanian term) of an idea about from whence money comes.

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47 posted on 02/05/2014 4:25:52 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Kaslin
Democrats propagate in their followers envy and greed. They abhor industriousness and deferment of gratification by requiring of themselves terminal training. The political preference for the democrat is to look over the production of people who put their money at risk, become entrepreneurs, and produce. The democrat surveys the landscape…."Now what would I like to steal from those producers?"…..and they set about to change mores, laws, and cultural norms to make it politically correct to steal from those who earned and own it. Meanwhile the democrats try to denigrate the conservative for adhering to traditional values, monogamy, non drug use, denigrating the family, God, and American idealism which is bedrock for conservative. AS the democrat takes it marching order and construct from the deep desire to be like Frenchmen, Europeans…because their way is always better than the Amercian way,….. they define ownership in ingenious ways to redefine the Constitutional definition of private property. Once that hook is set they move in to steal what they have redefined as reality. Meanwhile the conservative is standing there wondering …"What happened?"

Conservatives need to go on the offense and become militant in their pronouncements. This is what Andrew Breitbart prescribed before he was killed, or died, or whatever happened.

It is as much a clash of cultures between the democrat and conservative as between the west and the muslims. We had better wake up. It is already late in the game.

48 posted on 02/05/2014 5:01:21 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: Kaslin
I'd say a great deal of it is envy of people who have a dollar more than they do. Of course, there are many libs who support the "cause" i.e. homo "rights," wymyn's rights, affirmative discrimination, etc. Then there are the libs/Dems who are simply parasites, and vote for Dems because they don't want to work for a living.

But a great many Dem voters I've known simply hate the rich. They even hate superrich libs like Bill Gates. He's a multi-billionaire, and they're not. Simple as that.

49 posted on 02/05/2014 5:18:36 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Texas Songwriter
deep desire to be like Frenchmen, Europeans

The politics of envy take control the world over at a population density above 800 people per square mile. Most Democrats live in large unhappy cities where the population density is similar to Europe. They don't own the buildings, token parks, and trains that surround them, they are communal, hence the communism.

50 posted on 02/05/2014 5:54:01 PM PST by Reeses
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