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You cannot Just say No to the Obamacare race questionnaire
Legal Insurrection ^ | February 5, 2014 | Professor William A. Jacobson

Posted on 02/05/2014 2:57:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The image below was sent to me by a reader who went for a visit to a physician, and was told that she could not be seen unless she filled out this race and ethnicity questionnaire, and put her name on the form.

She initially refused, but they insisted that it was required or she could not see the doctor. The form does indicate that it is mandatory under Section 4302 of Obamacare.

Section 4302 is explained by HHS as follows:

Overview of Section 4302 of the Affordable Care Act

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) includes several provisions aimed at eliminating health disparities in America. Section 4302 (Understanding health disparities: data collection and analysis) of the ACA focuses on the standardization, collection, analysis, and reporting of health disparities data. While data alone will not reduce disparities, it can be foundational to our efforts to understand the causes, design effective responses, and evaluate our progress.

Section 4302 requires the Secretary of DHHS to establish data collection standards for race, ethnicity, sex, primary language, and disability status. The law requires that, once established, these data collection standards be used, to the extent practicable, in all national population health surveys. In response to this statutory requirement, this implementation guidance outlines the new minimum data collection standards for race, ethnicity, sex, primary language and disability status for implementation in HHS, along with a description of the data standards development process, the rationale for each data standard, and instructions for their implementation.

You cannot Just Say No.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; democratcare; doctorraceform; ethnicity; laraza; obamacare; obamacareraceform; patientraceform; race; racequestionnaire
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1 posted on 02/05/2014 2:57:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So fill out "Unknown/Declined," "Other" and all the other things that would make it useless.

Better yet, simply lie.

2 posted on 02/05/2014 2:59:10 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Check “Other”. If they ask, say “Kenyan”.


3 posted on 02/05/2014 2:59:35 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump


4 posted on 02/05/2014 2:59:37 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you can “identify” as any gender you like, I don’t see why you can’t “identify” as any race too.


5 posted on 02/05/2014 3:00:50 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Veteran

Army Green


6 posted on 02/05/2014 3:01:36 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Affordable Care Act (ACA) includes several provisions aimed at eliminating health disparities in America.

"Disparities" is another word for inequality. Which means the inequality will have to be fixed by making sure those who are on the wrong side of the inequity get treated while those on the right side don't get treated. See how fair that will work out?

7 posted on 02/05/2014 3:01:46 PM PST by uncitizen (Impeach the Communist Already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How about “Other” and “Other”. That’ll keep them guessing. Mather of fact, how about starting a movement and encourage people to do the same thing. Talk about screwing up the Obamacare statistics.
8 posted on 02/05/2014 3:02:27 PM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The “race” portion is hilarious.

It confuses race with nationality and ethnicity. There is no genetic basis for the compartments.

It’s a political screed manufactured by deranged zealots, nothing more.

If the Stupid Party wanted to make an issue of it they could probably pick up 5 Congressional seats off of this alone.

But they won’t. That’s why they’re called the Stupid Party...


9 posted on 02/05/2014 3:03:49 PM PST by Regulator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lots of whacky stuff there. “La Raza” is a ethnicity? And what’s with all the “races” - looks like a list of members of the UN.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 3:05:27 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Makes me Feel Right At Home.


11 posted on 02/05/2014 3:06:07 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Did someone say USSR?


12 posted on 02/05/2014 3:06:40 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: FredZarguna

I’m usually feeling very black inside when asked such things.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 3:07:01 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Regulator

Noticed that right away. Category must have been compiled by people who are functionally illiterate.


14 posted on 02/05/2014 3:07:09 PM PST by stormhill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some strange categories. Spanish Basque is a separate ethnicity, but French Basque is not? There are separate choices for “Guamanian” and “Guamanian or Chamorro.” “Spaniard” is a category, but Portuguese is not, and there is no listing for Brazilian (although most of the Spanish-sepaking Latin American countries get a separate listing). Yapese rates a separate listing (with a few thousand people) but Polish does not?


15 posted on 02/05/2014 3:09:04 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t recall the exact case names, but there were 2 Supreme Court rulings that, taken together, established that a person’s “race” is whatever they choose it to be.

I use that to justify my claim that my race is Elven :)


16 posted on 02/05/2014 3:09:33 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Carolinian” gets to be a race, but not “Texan”?


17 posted on 02/05/2014 3:09:42 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Cementjungle

BINGO!

I’m entering..Not of This World!


18 posted on 02/05/2014 3:11:10 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not white and who uses color as an ethnicity anymore? I see black on the list but I’m personally afraid to use the term and instead use African-American even though the only two truly African-Americans I’ve ever known were more pale skinned than me. I also prefer not to use Caucasion as my people weren’t from the Caucasus region. I’m definitely Anglo-Saxon but it isn’t on the list. That’s discrimination and I’m offended so I may have to sue someone.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 3:12:33 PM PST by Teotwawki (For a person to get a thing without paying for it, another must pay for it without getting it.)
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To: RightGeek

come to think of it...La Raza’s inclusion as a race.....may be a hint that this document is a very clever fake...


20 posted on 02/05/2014 3:13:47 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: Ellendra
but there were 2 Supreme Court rulings that, taken together, established that a person’s “race” is whatever they choose it to be

And only in the minds of Leftists would biology be something you could legislate!

21 posted on 02/05/2014 3:14:52 PM PST by Regulator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The law requires that, once established, these data collection standards be used, to the extent practicable, in all national population health surveys."

That's not a "national population health survey". It's a doctor's office questionnaire, and there is no possible way my answers to those questions could in any way effect my treatment. I'd conclude that the doctor is a moron, a danger to my health, and walk out just on that basis.

22 posted on 02/05/2014 3:16:04 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, they need a way to know who to deny care to, and who to grant it to, and who to charge to pay for those who receive care.


23 posted on 02/05/2014 3:16:24 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Ellendra

Then, I shall be Castilian African American. Or, you can call me Castilian Black if you prefer. I am not picky.

[I chose Castilian because I once was enthralled by a book I read, “Captain from Castile.” Black? Why not?]


24 posted on 02/05/2014 3:16:34 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Mixed” isn’t on the list, but it also doesn’t say “Check all that apply.” Granted, it doesn’t say to check only one, either.

I’m calling BS on this, those instructions would never pass muster at any business I have ever worked at. And that list doesn’t even make sense.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 3:17:38 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they really cared about things like the differences race makes in disease susceptibility, etc, they wouldn’t crucify people like Jason Richwine for doing genetic research in such matters.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 3:18:19 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just lie.

I’m a black woman from Micronesia on all that crap.

I re-did my mortgage and it had all this stuff; I put black.

Census: black Hispanic.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 3:18:26 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Ellendra

I could enter “Irish-Acadaian.”

Wonder what they’d do with that?


28 posted on 02/05/2014 3:18:31 PM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The obvious solution to this is to make up stuff. I, personally, always identify myself as an Andalusian “Other Pacific Islander,” which I think nicely splits the difference with the idiocy of the questions. Only once has anyone blinked an eye. She didn’t know what Andalusian meant. I explained about the Iberian peninsula and her eyes glazed over and she let it drop. I recommend everyone decide, creatively, on their race and ethnicity and stick with it. Worked for Elizabeth Warren.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 3:18:42 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Ellendra

You’ve never worked for the government, have you?


30 posted on 02/05/2014 3:18:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Ellendra

If you can be Elven, then I can be Titan. I like it.


31 posted on 02/05/2014 3:21:00 PM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Teotwawki
I see black on the list but I’m personally afraid to use the term and instead use African-American

That makes you part of the problem.

/.02

32 posted on 02/05/2014 3:21:55 PM PST by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, but I have filled out forms from them, and these instructions wouldn’t pass muster there either. I think this is a fake.

(But a fun discussion!)


33 posted on 02/05/2014 3:22:07 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No Borg???


34 posted on 02/05/2014 3:22:08 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Ellendra

Legal Insurrection is the website of Professor William Jacobson of Cornell Law School. I doubt if he’d post something fake.


35 posted on 02/05/2014 3:24:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Aside from the Nøzi monstrosity at its root, there’s something very odd about that ‘form’ .. disproportionate preponderance of southeast Asian, Micronesian, Pacific island, etc.


36 posted on 02/05/2014 3:25:33 PM PST by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Recently my dentist wanted me to help her by entering all of my info electronically. I got to the last page only to find out that any mistakes would be counted as probable cause for arrest by the DEA and that my info would be made available to all government agencies that requested it.

So I blanked out the form and didn't send it in.

At some point we're all going to probably be forced to fill out such forms.

Just because a bunch of stupid celebrities decided to OD on prescription drugs doesn't mean that my health records should be open to the DEA, etc. just in case I'm a druggie too.

37 posted on 02/05/2014 3:25:44 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: FredZarguna

I would check off all of them and when they questioned me I would answer that I am of the race of man, one of God’s children. Then I would smile and say FOAD.


38 posted on 02/05/2014 3:26:52 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Check “Other”. If they ask, say “Kenyan”.

LOL. Everyone should put down Kenyan.
39 posted on 02/05/2014 3:30:57 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do believe someone’s having us on.

Whether accidentally or intentionally is still in question.


40 posted on 02/05/2014 3:31:50 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ethnicity - “Canal Zone”???

WTH?

Yah, I’m a Zonian...but I’m an American Zonian...


41 posted on 02/05/2014 3:31:52 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would plead the 5th.


42 posted on 02/05/2014 3:31:57 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Happily no check box for Jew.


43 posted on 02/05/2014 3:32:02 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Paine in the Neck

ROFL...I go to doctor this week...oy vey


44 posted on 02/05/2014 3:35:03 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: FredZarguna

Just between us, I am sure it will go no farther, under race and ethnic background I threw in white, black, hispanic, American Indian, and then Eskimo, Samonan, Portuguese, and something else that I can’t spell. In truth I am a Melungeon and nobody knows what the hell we are up of, so prove I aint all of the above.

Since I know my doctor is in essence now a government employee I no longer tell my doc the truth about anything. I treat myself as best I can. Broad spectrum antibiotics and penicillin can be had at Tractor Supply or Rural King without a prescription and you can buy needles also. Stock up on vitamins and supplements as the pharma cos. will probably be the only source in the future and that will require a scrip. Do not purchase aspirin or anything else that you put in your body that is made in any Asian country. Read on the label and if it says distributed by a well known American company you can bet it is made in China. If the Chinese will poison your cat or dog what makes you think you are special?


45 posted on 02/05/2014 3:35:54 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: RightGeek
Odd, they don't list

Human Race.

46 posted on 02/05/2014 3:35:57 PM PST by mware
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To: Mastador1
The Freedom of Speech includes the right not to speak.

A demand that a person speak is, according to Supreme court precedent, unconstitutional.

If I am ever denied medical attention for not speaking, I shall sue the Physician and the government.

And, I would have standing, for being harmed.

47 posted on 02/05/2014 3:37:28 PM PST by Oak Grove (H)
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To: Sooth2222

Carolinian?? Oh MY...just what is that?


48 posted on 02/05/2014 3:37:28 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Sooth2222

Carolinian?? Oh MY...just what is that?


49 posted on 02/05/2014 3:39:48 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: FredZarguna
Yeah only they can't even spell that if you noticed.. "Unkown/Declined

The kind of stuff we used to laugh at when it came out of the Soviet Union. Buncha frickin' pathetic losers.

50 posted on 02/05/2014 3:40:09 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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