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Lawmakers ‘Disturbed and Angered’ After Classified Briefing Reveals Extent of Snowden Defense Leaks
PJ Tatler ^ | February 5, 2014 - 1:45 pm | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 02/05/2014 4:15:24 PM PST by Olog-hai

Leading members of the House Armed Services Committee emerged from a classified briefing on the Edward Snowden leaks this afternoon “shocked” at the amount of information he reportedly leaked beyond the NSA surveillance programs.

Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas), chairman of the Armed Service panel’s Intelligence, Emerging Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee and also a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the briefing on the defense consequences of Snowden’s leaks was “very highly classified,” and therefore details couldn’t be discussed. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: edwardsnowden; impeachnow; macthornberry; nsa; prism; snowden; texas; yeswescan
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1 posted on 02/05/2014 4:15:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas), chairman of the Armed Service panel’s Intelligence, Emerging Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee and also a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the briefing on the defense consequences of Snowden’s leaks was “very highly classified,” and therefore details couldn’t be discussed.


I always find this amusing, our enemies know what was leaked, our government knows what was leaked but we the citizens don’t have the right to know what was leaked even though our enemies already know what it was.

It’s like that movie scene— You can’t handle the truth!!!


2 posted on 02/05/2014 4:19:26 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: Olog-hai
Clearly a diversion so people won't question our spy agencies complete incompetence.

What is shocking is the poor trade-craft revealed in giving a person of such low technical capacity access to this level of information. There are programmers working on top secret projects who can barely function because their work is so compartmentalized that they can only code exactly to spec, but this jackass -- who was some kind of network technician -- had access to secrets across the spectrum.

It's all either a complete lie, or an indication of genuinely staggering stupidity by our spymasters.

3 posted on 02/05/2014 4:22:07 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Olog-hai
Media Blacks Out New Snowden Interview The Government Doesn’t Want You to See -- 30 Minute Interview.

Compare and contrast the text of this article with Snowden in his own words, keeping in mind the integrity of the government*, and I think you may find yourself thinking of him as a hero rather than as a villain.

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY GOVERNMENT.
[Direct Link]

The Tao of Republican Orthodoxy
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The Modern Democratic Party & You
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* — In light of the IRS-targeting, the Fast and Furious and Benghazi investigations, and the passion that our leadership presents with respect to abuses of government authority.

4 posted on 02/05/2014 4:28:22 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: FredZarguna
genuinely staggering stupidity by our spymasters.

Have you used SharePoint? It is software of staggering stupidity from design to delivery. Because the NSA decided to use it, they were forced to hire 1000's of Snowdens to run it. Microsoft and NSA dug that hole together. Snowden had access to about a million documents in that server and there is evidence that he took them all.

5 posted on 02/05/2014 4:29:54 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: Olog-hai

Ii hope Snowden wins the Noble Prize my guess is the senators are upset because he revealed how badly they are putting the screws to us.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 4:30:47 PM PST by stockpirate (It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
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To: FredZarguna

Agree. How does a low level contract employee get this much access?


7 posted on 02/05/2014 4:32:45 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: palmer

Its what happens when government has to make work for cony contractors.


8 posted on 02/05/2014 4:33:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: The Working Man

LOL, you have just nailed it! Your comment should be published.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 4:36:44 PM PST by dforest
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To: Fledermaus

See post #5. I’m familiar with SharePoint, and agree with what that post says. I’m absolutely floored to learn it was used in a highly compartmentalized classified environment.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 4:37:44 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: FredZarguna

Obviously, Snowdon had better capabilities than he is being attributed with. I think maybe the low capabilities lie on the side of our government since such a low IQ hire could be capable of doing so much damage.

Seems to me, we the people, need to be hounding the low IQ of our leaders rather than low IQ hires. Or are they all such whores that our secrets are easily for sale? Gawd, they all make me ill.


11 posted on 02/05/2014 4:42:41 PM PST by dforest
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To: FredZarguna
...who was some kind of network technician

When I would really get annoyed at the network admins I used to call them tape hangers. I'm old enough to remember when that was an actual job and the people who did it were about as smart as the average network administrator.

12 posted on 02/05/2014 4:44:58 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: The Working Man

A lot of this message and what classified is meant to keep Americans from knowing.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 4:48:43 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The Working Man

It just shows who our government’s real enemies are.


14 posted on 02/05/2014 4:51:51 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Olog-hai

Gee, do you think they’re mad because they’ve been caught and are now some political broker’s bitch??


15 posted on 02/05/2014 4:55:24 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Olog-hai

hand over mouth ... (snicker).


16 posted on 02/05/2014 4:56:31 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Olog-hai
Brbra Streisand! If it's already out, why don't they tell us what it is?! Why don't they tell us the nature of the secrets at least. Me thinks that prosecution is trying to build up its case.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 4:58:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: palmer
Agreed, Sharepoint is stupid. However, you can't really blame the vendor for the uses to which the customer puts software.

NSA technical managers should have realized that suitability to task was an issue very early in their evaluation process -- in fact, as part of due diligence during procurement.

The fact that their design would have required 1000's of Snowden's, let alone that 1000's of Snowden's would have had this breadth and depth of access should have been clear long before implementation.

If they didn't understand that during implementation, their security people should have during life cycle. If their security people did not, then counterintelligence people should have.

If I worked for the FSB or the Chinese MSS the first question I would be asking myself is: "How much of what Snowden has is real, and how much of it is horsesh!t I am being deliberately fed?" American Intel cannot possibly have failed on this many levels."

And, given that we know that NSA lies to Congress -- even to the Intelligence Committees -- I would be asking myself that same question as a Senator or Congressman.

18 posted on 02/05/2014 4:58:48 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

Maxipad Waters knew her president had records, lots of records, with lots of dirt. She couldn’t keep her mouth shut, which is typical of racists.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 5:04:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: stockpirate

” my guess is the senators are upset because he revealed how badly they are putting the screws to us.”

Pretty much, that is so. The neo-con troskyites are pissed that Snowden exposed the depth of their treason, as represented by McCain, Graham and Kerry. Then we have a bunch of Soros Nazi trolls here on FR who don’t want it known that they work for Hillary and the commie US State Department.


20 posted on 02/05/2014 5:04:52 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Revolting cat!
I Totally Agree ... It Was Brbra as in BrRabbit and BrFox.
21 posted on 02/05/2014 5:06:11 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Olog-hai
So, what was it that shocked the oversight committee, the level of the compromise or the activities themselves that were compromised? If the NSA snitched the Contacts list off Angela Merkel's cell phone it's one issue to know the contents and quite another to know that they were taken in the first place.

The difficulty is that once compromised, the concern shifts from the former to the latter, and the real job of oversight shifts from a proper consideration of the validity of the activities to helping the agency cover up the contents themselves. They get sucked onto the wrong team. And the real danger of being briefed into a specific program is that team identification: "You're one of us now," as a certain senior Naval officer once told me. It's in the nature of the business but it imperils oversight.

22 posted on 02/05/2014 5:06:55 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: All

I’m sorry, I mixed “former” and “latter” in the second paragraph - the point I’m making is that oversight of this sort of thing is compromised by the nature of the data and the sensitivity of the data tend to hinder the proper consideration of whether it was appropriate to gather it in the first place. It is that second thing that is the proper function of oversight and I don’t really see any sign that it’s taking place.


23 posted on 02/05/2014 5:09:52 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dforest
Actually, when I referred to technical capacity I was referring to the level of capability nominally required to meet the requirements of his job description, which were not very high. He may be quite intelligent. [I kind of doubt it, but it's possible.]

His technical managers should have made sure employees at his level did not have access to sensitive intel, or at the very least had access to sensitive intel no higher than necessary for support functions, and no broader than the limitations of the department he was working in.

The fact that he got so much tells us that his bosses were negligent at best, and consummately stupid at worst.

24 posted on 02/05/2014 5:12:48 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Olog-hai

The spy and data collection agencies are all about protecting themselves and their establishment masters from the enemy- the American people.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 5:14:10 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: palmer

Okay, with my tinfoil hat firmly settled on my noggin, I wonder if the snowdon leak was was a planned event? You know, like F&F, IRS, and the administration’s war on freedom.

Nothing seems too far fetched anymore.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 5:29:07 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: FredZarguna

Well, one would think that that those that hired Snowdon had all the resources of the federal government to do a complete background check and assessment of the people they hire.

I think they did, and Snowdon is most likely much smarter and perhaps more crafty, than he is given credit for. After all, he is still alive. I am not saying that I agree with what he did, but I am conflicted about him on the issue in regards to his disclosure of how the government has violated the Constitution in regards to American citizen surveillance. At least we know for sure now.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 5:30:31 PM PST by dforest
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks for that link to a very good interview with Snowden. I saw it yesterday from a poster/linker in a zero hedge thread.

BTTT!


28 posted on 02/05/2014 5:31:41 PM PST by PGalt
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To: The Working Man

Exactly so. I think this is awfully damn timely considering Snowden’s recent interview.

Agitprop can’t have us seeing him as anything other than a traitor and a bad person.

Notice, they don’t even need to provide details. Just let the seriousness of the charges carry the publics opinion.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 5:33:26 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: PGalt; OneWingedShark

Yeah... He doesn’t sound like a treasonous dunce...

Ya’ think maybe our government is being less than honest? /rhetorical


30 posted on 02/05/2014 5:36:02 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Olog-hai

Its always irritating when the plebes find out about govt criminal or unconstitutional activity.


31 posted on 02/05/2014 5:43:41 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: The Working Man
>... our enemies know what was leaked, our government knows what was leaked but we the citizens don’t have the right to know what was leaked even though our enemies already know what it was.

Our job is to work, pay taxes and shut the eff up... Any idea what we're being 'protected' against? I sure as hell don't know.... not anymore - not like I use to...

32 posted on 02/05/2014 6:18:27 PM PST by GOPJ (The Nation's divided between those who are to be fooled and those who do the fooling.Greenfield)
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To: FredZarguna
There are programmers working on top secret projects who can barely function because their work is so compartmentalized that they can only code exactly to spec, but this jackass -- who was some kind of network technician -- had access to secrets across the spectrum.

I don't know how much truth there is in the article, and I don't know if it's been previously posted here on FR, but according to one of his co-workers, Snowden was not the low-level network technician the NSA is making him out to be.

See: An NSA Coworker Remembers The Real Edward Snowden: 'A Genius Among Geniuses'

33 posted on 02/05/2014 6:26:09 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: FredZarguna

It was recently revealed that over 480,000 CONTRACTORS have a top secret clearance.

Not employees, but freekin contractors, and then SO freekin many!!


34 posted on 02/05/2014 6:37:02 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: dforest

Snowden failed to expose the perpetrators of the alleged crimes — the politicians that claim to represent us, but fund and legitimize an operation that he alleges violates our rights.

Congress is making minimal effort but only to pacify the aimless outcry. And it’s absurd to say Clapper “lied” to Congress.


35 posted on 02/05/2014 6:45:10 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: FredZarguna
What is shocking is the poor trade-craft revealed in giving a person of such low technical capacity access to this level of information. There are programmers working on top secret projects who can barely function because their work is so compartmentalized that they can only code exactly to spec, but this jackass -- who was some kind of network technician -- had access to secrets across the spectrum.

It's all either a complete lie, or an indication of genuinely staggering stupidity by our spymasters.

Given the blatant condoning of using the IRS to target the Tea Party, by even the Republicans, is it unreasonable to assume that our spymasters are employing their trade upon us rather than for us?

Especially given the ever increasing sequence of abuse/lawlessness revealed:

  1. They deny warrantless searches of data, or if they do the warrant comes from what's effectively a secret court.
  2. But it's ok, because they only a limited number of relationships 3 hops.
    (Any other person on Earth can be reached w/ an avg. 4.7 hops.)
  3. Aw, heck, it's not like they spy on people that they have no justification for, like say, to the point that spying on one's [romantic] interest has been coined loveint
  4. It's not like they paid security companies to subvert their encryption
  5. it's not like they subvert the security at the interface between cloud and internet.
I'm sorry, but the government doesn't seem to be having the best track-record here.
36 posted on 02/05/2014 7:03:42 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dforest
Don't be conflicted.

As Theoden says in The Lord of The Rings [not the hideous movie, the great book] "Oft evil will shall evil mar."

Just because Snowden accidentally may have done some good, that doesn't make him a good person.

37 posted on 02/05/2014 7:28:57 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: The Working Man
I always find this amusing, our enemies know what was leaked, our government knows what was leaked but we the citizens don’t have the right to know what was leaked even though our enemies already know what it was.

Yup. You are nothing but an ambulatory wallet. Get back to work. Millions on welfare are depending on you.

38 posted on 02/05/2014 7:33:34 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Gene Eric
And it’s absurd to say Clapper “lied” to Congress.

Well, by his own admission, he did.

If you are saying that Congress knew about the surveillance and therefore the public denial of it does not constitute lying, that is a remarkably facile moral position. Call me old fashioned, but to me a lie is a lie.

More importantly, whether the intent was to reveal [in the question] or to suppress the revelation [in the answer] then Clapper lied to somebody a lot more important than Congress: We The People of the United States.

39 posted on 02/05/2014 7:36:02 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

The hearings were not about getting to the truth. It was about making the NSA squirm in front of our esteemed “representatives” and the cameras.


40 posted on 02/05/2014 8:53:02 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

41 posted on 02/05/2014 9:35:30 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: The Working Man
It’s like that movie scene— You can’t handle the truth!!!

More like our government saying "We can't handle you knowing the truth!"

42 posted on 02/05/2014 9:49:51 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Gene Eric

Did he, or did he not lie?


43 posted on 02/05/2014 10:56:53 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

You already stated Clapper lied by his own admission. I have nothing else to add.


44 posted on 02/05/2014 11:37:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric
I have nothing else to add.

Well, strangely, a person using your handle did indeed feel he had something else to add at Post #39, after this was already pointed out.

Whatever the intention of Congress, the People of the United States learned something as a result of the Congressional testimony and subsequent revelations: 1) Spy agencies are spying on Americans under very dubious Constitutional authority, and 2) even more dubious efficacy. 3) The DNI could have said, "I will answer questions that go to National Security secrets in closed session." Instead, he simply lied under oath. So we know that 4) US Spy agencies consider themselves above the Constitution, and 5) above the plain laws and meaning of perjury. [The DNI made a false statement under oath which was material. That's perjury.]

That's a pretty decent truthiness yield coming from people who weren't interested in the truth, which often advances itself, even when hidden by the shadiest of intentions.

45 posted on 02/05/2014 11:47:17 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

But you asked me a question to which you already had the answer. I suppose you intended to make the points you just expressed which are certainly compelling.

I agree, Clapper didn’t have to respond. But Clapper is not my focus — it’s on Congress and the fallacy of representation — a greater concern to me than the enigmatic knavery preoccupying most everyone’s attention.


46 posted on 02/06/2014 12:13:05 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cripplecreek

Its what happens when government has to make work for cony contractors.
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I disagree ,, it’s what happens when the government needs people like Snowden because their employees are incompetant. I used to be in “big iron” IT and I never once found a government employee at any seminar or continuing education class that wasn’t dead weight.


47 posted on 02/06/2014 3:36:57 AM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Cronyism isn’t about the little nobodys. Cronyism is about guys like James Clapper and James Woolsey who have both managed to step out of executive positions with Booz Allen and directly into federally funded positions like Director of national intelligence.


48 posted on 02/06/2014 3:49:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: stockpirate

Agreed. The more people push back on Snowden, the more I think he did the right damn thing.


49 posted on 02/06/2014 3:51:44 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: The Working Man
I always find this amusing, our enemies know what was leaked, our government knows what was leaked but we the citizens don’t have the right to know what was leaked even though our enemies already know what it was.

Exactly.

50 posted on 02/06/2014 4:18:59 AM PST by PGalt
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