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Exam cheating scandal hits U.S. Navy nuclear force
Action news Now ^ | 2/5/14 | ???

Posted on 02/05/2014 7:57:57 PM PST by OneVike

Edited on 02/05/2014 8:24:03 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Navy is investigating cheating allegations against about one-fifth of its trainers at a school for naval nuclear power reactor operators.

It is the second exam-cheating scandal to hit the military this year, on top of disclosures of ethical lapses at all ranks in the military as it transitions from more than a decade of war-fighting.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: navy; nuclear; obama; scandal
Man is my BS detector going off loudly on this!
1 posted on 02/05/2014 7:57:57 PM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

Mine isn’t going off.


2 posted on 02/05/2014 8:00:41 PM PST by petitfour
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To: OneVike

sounds like more opportunities for this evil lawless Belshazzar administration to purge warriors and install minions,


3 posted on 02/05/2014 8:01:03 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: OneVike

I think they mean “Exam cheating scandal hits U.S. Navy NUCULER force”


4 posted on 02/05/2014 8:03:51 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: petitfour

Mine neither. Might just be rot in the service that was ignored because we needed ranks filled for the war. I appreciate the support shown the military now, much better than what the Nam guys got, but anyone who thinks that the military is the bastion of virtue ought to read Hackworth or John T. Reed.


5 posted on 02/05/2014 8:05:08 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: OneVike

It’s been five years. Long enough for Leadership to have its effect.


6 posted on 02/05/2014 8:09:30 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: OneVike
From yesterday, so not exactly breaking news:

Sailors allegedly cheated on nuclear reactor tests

7 posted on 02/05/2014 8:09:37 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016. / Obama=Unspeakable Audacity)
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To: chargers fan; petitfour

You both have way too much confidence in this administration. You do realize they have been purging the military?


8 posted on 02/05/2014 8:12:32 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: chargers fan

Agreed. Those who think there’s some purge-conspiracy are either delusional or haven’t been paying attention the past few years.


9 posted on 02/05/2014 8:14:36 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: OneVike

There are a lot of corner cutters that need to be purged. They are accidents waiting to happen. It feeds my paranoia as well, but when I see the harm caused by bad apples, then I want them gone. I have no interest in seeing an entire sub crew go boom, and I doubt you do either.


10 posted on 02/05/2014 8:21:15 PM PST by petitfour
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To: bigbob

Sorry Bob, but I used to think the same, but I have many friends in the military who are silently talking of the way many good men are being purged from the forces while many who should be purged are being promoted.

Look up the service records of some of these guys. MOST have perfect LONG services, highly decorated.

Military Suicides Drop; Unclear Why (2013)
“Last year the number of suicides in the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines spiked to 349 for the
full 12-month period, the highest since the Pentagon began closely tracking the numbers in 2001,
and up from the 2011 total of 301. There were 295 Americans killed in Afghanistan [war] last year,
by the AP’s count.” There are more dying by suicide than in war. Why????

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/apnewsbreak-military-suicides-drop-unclear-20855176

“In 2005 alone, there were 6,256 suicides nationally among those who served in the armed
forces — about 120 deaths per week.”
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2004019358_aliciacol17.html
What the hell are they doing to the military???

I believe only 2 Generals were fired under Bush’s 2 terms total. There are currently 48 4-Star Generals.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Many of these below have spotless records, 25 and up years service, many medals and honors such as
Brig. Gen Bryan W. Wampler and Command Sgt. Major Don B. Jordan.

Commanding Generals fired:
General John R. Allen-U.S. Marines Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] (Nov 2012)
Major General Ralph Baker (2 Star)-U.S. Army Commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn in Africa (April 2013)
Major General Michael Carey (2 Star)-U.S. Air Force Commander of the 20th US Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (Oct 2013)
Colonel James Christmas-U.S. Marines Commander 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit & Commander Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response Unit (July 2013)
Major General Peter Fuller-U.S. Army Commander in Afghanistan (May 2011)
Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus-U.S. Marine Corps Regional Commander of SW and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan (Oct 2013)
General Carter F. Ham-U.S. Army African Command (Oct 2013)
Lieutenant General David H. Huntoon (3 Star), Jr.-U.S. Army 58th Superintendent of the US Military Academy at West Point, NY (2013)
Command Sergeant Major Don B Jordan-U.S. Army 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command (suspended Oct 2013)
General James Mattis-U.S. Marines Chief of CentCom (May 2013)
Colonel Daren Margolin-U.S. Marine in charge of Quantico’s Security Battalion (Oct 2013)
General Stanley McChrystal-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (June 2010)
General David D. McKiernan-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (2009)
General David Petraeus-Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012 & U.S. Army Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] and Commander U.S. Forces Afghanistan [USFOR-A] (Nov 2012)
Brigadier General Bryan Roberts-U.S. Army Commander 2nd Brigade (May 2013)
Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant-U.S. Marine Corps Director of Strategic Planning and Policy for the U.S. Pacific Command & Commander of Aviation Wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan (Sept 2013)
Colonel Eric Tilley-U.S. Army Commander of Garrison Japan (Nov 2013)
Brigadier General Bryan Wampler-U.S. Army Commanding General of 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command of the 1st Theater Sustainment Command [TSC] (suspended Oct 2013)

Commanding Admirals fired:
Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette-U.S. Navy Commander John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group Three (Oct 2012)
Vice Admiral Tim Giardina(3 Star, demoted to 2 Star)-U.S. Navy Deputy Commander of the US Strategic Command, Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10 (Oct 2013)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2011)
Captain David Geisler-U.S. Navy Commander Task Force 53 in Bahrain (Oct 2011)
Commander Laredo Bell-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs, NY (Aug 2011)
Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
Commander Nathan Borchers-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Stout (Mar 2011)
Commander Robert Brown-U.S. Navy Commander Beachmaster Unit 2 Fort Story, VA (Aug 2011)
Commander Andrew Crowe-Executive Officer Navy Region Center Singapore (Apr 2011)
Captain Robert Gamberg-Executive Officer carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower (Jun 2011)
Captain Rex Guinn-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Legal Service office Japan (Feb 2011)
Commander Kevin Harms- U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 137 aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (Mar 2011)
Lieutenant Commander Martin Holguin-U.S. Navy Commander mine countermeasures Fearless (Oct 2011)
Captain Owen Honors-U.S. Navy Commander aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (Jan 2011)
Captain Donald Hornbeck-U.S. Navy Commander Destroyer Squadron 1 San Diego (Apr 2011)
Rear Admiral Ron Horton-U.S. Navy Commander Logistics Group, Western Pacific (Mar 2011)
Commander Etta Jones-U.S. Navy Commander amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
Commander Ralph Jones-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Green Bay (Jul 2011)
Commander Jonathan Jackson-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 134, deployed aboard carrier Carl Vinson (Dec 2011)
Captain Eric Merrill-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Emory S. Land (Jul 2011)
Captain William Mosk-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Station Rota, U.S. Navy Commander Naval Activities Spain (Apr 2011)
Commander Timothy Murphy-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 129 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, WA (Apr 2011)
Commander Joseph Nosse-U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine Kentucky (Oct 2011)
Commander Mark Olson-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer The Sullivans FL (Sep 2011)
Commander John Pethel-Executive Officer amphibious transport dock New York (Dec 2011)
Commander Karl Pugh-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 141 Whidbey Island, WA (Jul 2011)
Commander Jason Strength-U.S. Navy Commander of Navy Recruiting District Nashville, TN (Jul 2011)
Captain Greg Thomas-U.S. Navy Commander Norfolk Naval Shipyard (May 2011)
Commander Mike Varney-U.S. Navy Commander attack submarine Connecticut (Jun 2011)
Commander Jay Wylie-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Momsen (Apr 2011)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2012)
Commander Alan C. Aber-Executive Officer Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (July 2012)
Commander Derick Armstrong- U.S. Navy Commander missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (May 2012)
Commander Martin Arriola- U.S. Navy Commander destroyer USS Porter (Aug 2012)
Captain Antonio Cardoso- U.S. Navy Commander Training Support Center San Diego (Sep 2012)
Captain James CoBell- U.S. Navy Commander Oceana Naval Air Station’s Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic (Sep 2012)
Captain Joseph E. Darlak- U.S. Navy Commander frigate USS Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
Captain Daniel Dusek-U.S. Navy Commander USS Bonhomme
Commander David Faught-Executive Officer destroyer Chung-Hoon (Sep 2012)
Commander Franklin Fernandez- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24 (Aug 2012)
Commander Ray Hartman- U.S. Navy Commander Amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry (Nov 2012)
Commander Shelly Hakspiel-Executive Officer Navy Drug Screening Lab San Diego (May 2012)
Commander Jon Haydel- U.S. Navy Commander USS San Diego (Mar 2012)
Commander Diego Hernandez- U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming (Feb 2012)
Commander Lee Hoey- U.S. Navy Commander Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego (May 2012)
Commander Ivan Jimenez-Executive Officer frigate Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
Commander Dennis Klein- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Columbia (May 2012)
Captain Chuck Litchfield- U.S. Navy Commander assault ship USS Essex (Jun 2012)
Captain Marcia Kim Lyons- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic New England (Apr 2012)
Captain Robert Marin- U.S. Navy Commander cruiser USS Cowpens (Feb 2012)
Captain Sean McDonell- U.S. Navy Commander Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14 FL (Nov 2012)
Commander Corrine Parker- U.S. Navy Commander Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1 (Apr 2012)
Captain Liza Raimondo- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River, MD (Jun 2012)
Captain Jeffrey Riedel- Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program (Jan 2012)
Commander Sara Santoski- U.S. Navy Commander Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15 (Sep 2012)
Commander Kyle G. Strudthoff-Executive Officer Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 (Sep 2012)
Commander Sheryl Tannahill- U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Nashville, TN (Sep 2012)
Commander Michael Ward- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Pittsburgh (Aug 2012)
Captain Michael Wiegand- U.S. Navy Commander Southwest Regional Maintenance Center (Nov 2012)
Captain Ted Williams- U.S. Navy Commander amphibious command ship Mount Whitney (Nov 2012)
Commander Jeffrey Wissel- U.S. Navy Commander of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1 (Feb 2012)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2013)
Lieutenant Commander Lauren Allen-Executive Officer submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
Reserve Captain Jay Bowman-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Fort Dix, NJ (Mar 2013)
Captain William Cogar-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Mercy’s medical treatment facility (Sept 2013)
Commander Steve Fuller-Executive Officer frigate Kauffman (Mar 2013)
Captain Shawn Hendricks-Program Manager for naval enterprise IT networks (June 2013)
Captain David Hunter-U.S. Navy Commander of Maritime Expeditionary Security Squadron 12 & Coastal Riverine Group 2 (Feb 2013)
Captain Eric Johnson-U.S. Navy Chief of Military Entrance Processing Command at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, IL (2013)
Captain Devon Jones-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Air Facility El Centro, CA (July 2013)
Captain Kevin Knoop-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Comfort’s medical treatment facility (Aug 2013)
Lieutenant Commander Jack O’Neill-U.S. Navy Commander Operational Support Center Rock Island, IL (Mar 2013)
Commander Allen Maestas-Executive Officer Beachmaster Unit 1 (May 2013)
Commander Luis Molina-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Pasadena (Jan 2013)
Commander James Pickens-Executive Officer frigate Gary (Feb 2013)
Lieutenant Commander Mark Rice-U.S. Navy Commander Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
Commander Michael Runkle-U.S. Navy Commander of Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2 (May 2013)
Commander Jason Stapleton-Executive Office Patrol Squadron 4 in Hawaii (Mar 2013)
Commander Nathan Sukols-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
Lieutenant Daniel Tyler-Executive Officer Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
Commander Edward White-U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 106 (Aug 2013)
Captain Jeffrey Winter-U.S. Navy Commander of Carrier Air Wing 17 (Sept 2013)
Commander Thomas Winter-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Montpelier (Jan 2013)
Commander Corey Wofford- U.S. Navy Commander frigate Kauffman (Feb 2013)

157 [ONE HUNDRED FIFTY-SEVEN] Air Force majors forced into early terminations, no retirement or benefits.
All 157 had been twice passed over for promotion and were within six years of retirement.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20120103/NEWS/201030335/
Too many to list

Any mistakes are probably mine. If you know of any I missed, I will add them.

A retired Army general is calling for the “forced resignations” of President Obama, administration officials, and MORE

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/general-lets-make-obama-resign/#RgFdpYytKGaBQMdA.99


11 posted on 02/05/2014 8:22:55 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I suspect, if a person could truly investigate the cause of this, you would find that at the heart of it would be the perversion of evals for commanders.

The culture has gotten to be so stringent and ridiculous that ANY hint of imperfection in your command means that you are a failure and not eligible for advancement. Therefore commanders will overlook, avoid, or try to cheat to hide imperfections in their command. I suspect that a gpa standard was set by some commander, so then the next commander was forced to equal or better that standard or be evalled as a loser or failure. This pressure gets put on the commanders subordinates who then do “whatever it takes” to meet the new, improbable or impossible standard.

As an enlisted guy, I went through Naval Nuclear Power School back in the 1980’s. While I wanted to be the smartest, I obviously wasn’t and I failed some tests. But there was no thought or idea then for either me to cheat or for the instructors to cheat for or about my failings. I had heard of Nuke School classes where a very small percent passed, but I also heard of classes of where a large percentage passed.

That being said, I can recall a clash of cultures, in regards to tests, when I was on my boat (submarine, to the uninitiated). On my boat, our weekly Nuke training involved tests at the end, but up to a time, those tests were basically “group” tests. Some people did them all by them selves but most worked with others to get the basic answers down. THEN one day, we got a new first class on board, who was on his first sea going command. He was a hot runner at prototype and was a staff pick up. Anyway, on his first Nuke training lecture, he proctored the exam (meaning he made everyone take the exam individually) and many of us failed. He made a stink about this to the Engineer since this general topic had been covered just a few months prior and the average grade was like 90%. Many of us “failures” were questioned as to if we had cheated. Luckily some chiefs stepped in and explained the culture on the boat prior to his arrival and that they were more concerned about people being most knowledgible in there watch standing duties and being proficient in that, rather then trying to be mr. 4.0 in ALL engineering knowledge.


12 posted on 02/05/2014 8:38:39 PM PST by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: ScubieNuc

I understand what you are talking about, but when you look at the extent of the purge, one can only wonder WTF

After all, if GWB, Reagan, or even Clinton were doing this I may not feel so worried, but we are talking about a guy who is using members of the Muslim Brotherhood as advisors on what to do on many things including military matters.

We are talking about a group that up until Obama got elected were on our terrorist watch list.


13 posted on 02/05/2014 8:44:27 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
When you fill your military with faggots and lesbo feminists, and replace your senior officers with Obama appointees steeped in political correctness rather than warfighting, this is the inevitable result.
14 posted on 02/05/2014 8:46:01 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

These are not the politically Correct faggots and lesbo feminists being purged.

They are the ones replacing those being purged.

Believe me, we have yet to see the result of this.

You know how Jamie Gorelick put up the wall to keep information from being shared between the Justice dept and the FBI back in the “90”s to keep him and Hillary from getting busted on Whitewater?

You should also know how that wall kept us from learning about the 9/11 plot by the terrorists.

Well, if you think 9/11 was bad, wait till we are faced with the consequences of Obama’s military purge.


15 posted on 02/05/2014 9:03:29 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

157 [ONE HUNDRED FIFTY-SEVEN] Air Force majors forced into early terminations, no retirement or benefits.
All 157 had been twice passed over for promotion and were within six years of retirement.

Why are these people not speaking up? Where is 60 minutes? I’m kidding. But, have people been threatened? It would not surprise me if people are tight-lipped for good reason as is always the case in communistic/ socialistic tyrannies the likes of which this country appears to be rapidly devolving into.


16 posted on 02/05/2014 9:10:53 PM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: OneVike

Ethical lapses are getting so common. It’s like the Global Warming of Honesty.


17 posted on 02/05/2014 9:11:06 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: chargers fan

Spot on. The military is another bureaucracy and needs a good pruning.


18 posted on 02/05/2014 9:12:07 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sheapdog

Thank you. Reading the other comments I was beginning to think I was the only one wondering WTF.


19 posted on 02/05/2014 9:13:04 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: 1010RD

And you friggin trust Obama to do this pruning?

You are an idiot!


20 posted on 02/05/2014 9:15:05 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Broken arrow. Begin at Minot 6 years ago.


21 posted on 02/05/2014 9:29:14 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txhurl; Slyfox; Paulie; willywill; onyx; Shery; Jet Jaguar; Darren McCarty; laplata; Mark17; ...

I am just shocked that any FReeper would think this is nothing to worry about.

Add this to all the officers, the recent so-called problem with the Air Force cheating, and I see a set up that is designed to make Americans think it is something that happens all the time, but this is not something that is always done.

If we have this many FReepers thinking it’s nothing to worry about, well then we are truly F^*# as a nation. Forgive my French!

I pinged all you others for some common sense thinking on this. I saw you all commenting on other similar stories, so forgive me if you are irked by my ping.


22 posted on 02/05/2014 9:41:08 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Not irked at all.

Those that are entrusted with our most powerful weapons and secrets should be beyond reproach.

I wish our CIC was.


23 posted on 02/05/2014 9:43:38 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

So you have no problem with this happening under the Obama admn?

Especially since it also happened with the AF?

Ever wonder who will replace them to be in charge of our Nuclear arsenal?


24 posted on 02/05/2014 9:47:55 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I have been terrified since the Minot mishandling, and futher terrified by the Louisiana mishandling.

This is something to worry about.


25 posted on 02/05/2014 9:49:00 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txhurl

Exactly. How can anyone tru8st the things this Muslim is doing?

Especially when it comes to what is going on with our military.


26 posted on 02/05/2014 9:57:18 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Actually, it’s Valerie Jarrett holding the shears. But your point remains correct. People seem to be forgetting who’s calling the shots. There’s no good reason to assume that anything they do is for the good of anything. Ever.


27 posted on 02/05/2014 9:59:31 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: OneVike

Re-read your post to me.

You said “so forgive me if you are irked by my ping.”

I was referring to that.


28 posted on 02/05/2014 10:00:10 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: OneVike

Then we have to get to the bottom of a weapon exploded off South Carolina, which Graham chronicled.


29 posted on 02/05/2014 10:10:31 PM PST by txhurl
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To: OneVike

Most people do not have an understanding of this, and many other topics having to do with our National Security, because for all practical purposes, we haven’t really had any OR foreign policy for many years now. Our ‘leaders’ are below moron iq and the sheer massive stupidity and dishonesty of it has taken all of the oxygen and turned it to methane and sulfur. Welcome to hell. Internal and external chaos. NO ONE in the whole world has a clue what is going on anywhere else in the world ibcluding where they live.


30 posted on 02/05/2014 10:26:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: OneVike; petitfour; captmar-vell; Born to Conserve; chargers fan; YHAOS; BlessedBeGod; bigbob; ...
(Thread-wide info ping.)

Some of the comments allude to various incidents -- here is what a quick search turns up:

The Mystery of Minot: Loose nukes and a cluster of dead airmen raise troubling questions
Another story says: It is also worth noting that original reports from military sources talked about only five of the six nuclear warheads from Minot being accounted for in Barksdale.

Purging the military:
Did Obama Plan to Nuke America This Fall? Or is Jim Garrow Completely Nuts?
American Heroes Foil False EMP Flag Nuclear Attack On US says:
According to seismographic records, on October 8th a magnitude 4.5 earthquake occurred off the coast of South Carolina, giving credence to Dr. Garrow's claim that one of the weapons was actually detonated at sea to keep it out of the hands of traitors who would destroy the United States; the others, according to Dr. Garrow, are still missing.
Tying into Lindsey Graham: Warns of possible Nuclear Attack on Charleston or New York Harbor and the possibility it was setting up to be a false-flag.

Are these credible? I don't know.
What I do know is that I do not trust my government: Fast and Furious, IRS-targeting, NSA domestic-spying, Benghazi investigations, the bending over backward to legitimize ACA — these all imply something about the character of our government.

31 posted on 02/05/2014 11:19:55 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneVike
The problem is that 33 or more years ago, The US Military Academy at West Point was rocked by an identical scandal. Back then, I was at the University of Alabama getting ready to graduate and get my own US Army commission. We used to joke that the new mascot at the Point was changing from a Donkey to the Cheetah! There were similar scandals at most of the service academies. There was the sexual assaults at Annapolis and the Air Force Academy.

The ideals that you espouse are nice but they don't keep up with the general degradation of our societal mores or the mental decay in our youth brought on by the moral relativism of the media. All of that PLUS: Man is simply evil and depraved and he is pervasively so. Been that way since Eve bit the apple and Adam shared it.

32 posted on 02/05/2014 11:34:40 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: OneWingedShark

OUR ‘GOVERNMENT’ IS TASTELESS, COLORLESS, ODORLESS, TOXIC. AND DEADLY...TO ALL LIVING THINGS. PERIOD.


33 posted on 02/05/2014 11:35:43 PM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: OneVike

Thanks for the list. Too bad there aren’t any investigative journalist anymore.


34 posted on 02/05/2014 11:43:29 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Sheapdog

“All 157 had been twice passed over for promotion and were within six years of retirement.”

It has long been the case that an officer twice passed over is expected to resign. There were times when 04s were allowed to stay for the last few years until retirement, and times when they were given early retirement, but not with this crowd.


35 posted on 02/06/2014 12:26:00 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: OneVike

Leadership starts at the top. When the head is rotten the body stinks.

Of course not when Obama is CIC. Then it’s Bush’s fault or rogue bean counters.


36 posted on 02/06/2014 1:15:03 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: OneVike

Thanks very much for the ping.

The very short article states that those in the Navy, who are under investigation have no responsibility for nuclear weapons.

How comforting. /s


37 posted on 02/06/2014 1:30:14 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: OneVike

Thanks for posting this info.


38 posted on 02/06/2014 1:46:54 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: OneVike

The real question is Will the rank and file up to field grade officers follow the general grade officers if it comes down to a deployment in CONUS. And you know the deployment I mean.


39 posted on 02/06/2014 2:35:54 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: OneVike

I, for one, am not surprised. The Navy nuke culture encourages this type of behavior from what I have seen. I’m just surprised someone finally blew the lid off of the whole thing. They generally try to cover up and “circle the wagons” for nukes. Maybe because it costs so much to train them, who knows really.

Long story incoming, warning. For example, my previous husband was a nuke, this was fairly recent. The Navy and military as a whole was pushing assault prevention and holding those accountable, we are for the family, etc etc. He ended up being abusive, so I took my claims to Family Advocacy, where they have a hearing to decide unsubstantiated or substantiated, and he would most likely get kicked out of the service if found true. Long story short, my “advocate” leaked my personal info and victim impact statements and they got back to my ex-husband. Scary. They actually put his “friends” on the deciding board of this hearing, where my claims were found unsubstantiated even with photographic evidence. IG and congressional inquiries went nowhere. But a month later my congressman got an award from the Navy for looking out for them! Ever since, I’ve had very little faith in the Navy and their desire to keep their ranks clean. End rant. ;)


40 posted on 02/06/2014 3:47:19 AM PST by same old song
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To: OneVike

Obama has removed USN officers who refused to fire
on US cities.
Those replaced swear allegiance to HIM rather
than the US Constitution.

What difference could it make?


41 posted on 02/06/2014 3:50:51 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: OneVike

That’s not a very thoughtful response. Ad hominem response is a sure sign of weakness. Do you not think that the military is a bureaucracy? Do you not think that moral standards in general have fallen? Do you not think that they’ve been low for a long time?


42 posted on 02/06/2014 4:04:21 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: OneVike

When I went through prototype, the third phase of nuclear power training, back in 1990 you had instructors who would sign stuff off in a student’s book without performing the proper examination beforehand. One instructor who was getting ready to transfer went overboard in some kid’s book. He went to NJP where they asked him if that was the only incident to which he replied it was. He was then busted from E-6 to E-5 and sent packing to his next duty station. They collected all the books from students (including mine) and did an audit of signatures. The first instructor was called back from his new duty station and busted to E-4 and IIRC four other instructors were busted as well.

In other words this stuff happens.

As for the dismissals I don’t have an answer but I do know that in the early 1990’s only about half of submarine commanding officers were completing their tours.


43 posted on 02/06/2014 4:40:25 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: OneVike

EO, diversity, end of conscription, etc. etc. There was a time when over half of the young men attending CalTech or MIT had performed some type of military service. The service academies were primarily engineering schools; no more.


44 posted on 02/06/2014 5:05:51 AM PST by MSF BU (n)
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I suspect that the pool of folks that run the reactors was a very similar looking bunch; in other words, not very “diverse”. I also suspect that in an effort to “diversify” that group of smart, melanin deficient, males it was mandated that “others” be forced through the program and, just like always, the mustard couldn’t be cut so cheating was the only way to arrive at the “balanced” ratios they sought. It’s happened in our schools, it’s happened in the workplace, it’s happened at NASA and now it’s happening in the reactor school. Look for a glowing, smoldering shipwreck somewhere soon.


45 posted on 02/06/2014 5:07:34 AM PST by 762X51
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To: OneVike
All 157 had been twice passed over for promotion and were within six years of retirement.

..that in it self, should be a Congressional investigation

46 posted on 02/06/2014 5:10:44 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: OneVike

All adding up to exec order soon to scrap all nucs due to 0bvmmer declaring there is no one safe or trustworthy to guard the nucs, so he’ll join Pvtin in scraping them and win the Nobel Peace prize...wait, he already did!

Ugh, let me be clear, Pvtin, I have more flexibility now.


47 posted on 02/06/2014 5:42:01 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your lid on; don't let anyone dump garbage on you.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Wrong kind of nukes.


48 posted on 02/06/2014 5:53:50 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: OneWingedShark; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
"Are these credible? I don't know."

If you can't trust the leadership, assume the government can't be trusted. After a certain time transpires, government can't be trusted even if the Leadership can be trusted. We have crossed that Event Horizon.

49 posted on 02/06/2014 10:44:01 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: OneVike

I don’t have any confidence in this administration. Just so you know. This is a time when you hope that those with integrity give no one an excuse to purge them.


50 posted on 02/07/2014 12:13:28 PM PST by petitfour
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