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‘Screw Canada’: Arrest of gun-toting American at Canadian border enrages U.S. firearms community
National Post ^ | FEBRUARY 5, 2014 | Douglas Quan, Postmedia News

Posted on 02/06/2014 2:52:36 AM PST by rickmichaels

“Screw Canada.”

“Another reason not to venture to the dark north.”

Gun-related message boards lit up this week over news of the arrest of an American man at the Canadian border.

Retired U.S. Army sergeant major Louis DiNatale and his wife were on a romantic getaway from Kentucky to Vermont when they say their GPS led them astray to the border.

When DiNatale failed to declare a loaded handgun in the centre console — he says he simply forgot it was there — he was detained for four days and now faces gun-smuggling charges that could land him in prison for three years.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 02/06/2014 2:52:36 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

This is ridiculous. Is there no common sense anymore?

If the border guards don’t want him to bring his gun in, turn him around.

I am trying to get the gun laws changed here thought too, where I am, everyone has them, and nobody has problems with them. It’s time the government stops trying to squash our rights.


2 posted on 02/06/2014 3:02:26 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

He forgot he had a handgun in the console while going into Canada? Yea right! If he actually did forget he’s a moron. I’ve hunted in Ontario and Manitoba 6 times with a rifle and a bow, theres some things you don’t forget.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 3:13:07 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

Agreed... Unfortunately, the bar is much higher for CC and law abiding citizens in the current environment...

But I do believe that Canadian Authorities most definitely over-reacted...


4 posted on 02/06/2014 3:31:47 AM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: rickmichaels

I live three hours from the VT-PQ border, and I’ve crossed it many times (always remembering to leave my firearms at home).

Given the various routes over the line, I call BS on “the GPS made me do it”.


5 posted on 02/06/2014 3:34:25 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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To: Bulwyf
This is ridiculous. Is there no common sense anymore? If the border guards don’t want him to bring his gun in, turn him around.

There's a lot of missing information in this story.

6 posted on 02/06/2014 3:35:35 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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To: rickmichaels

What would have happened to a Canadian that did the same thing crossing into NY state? He would have been very lucky to have spent only 4 days in the can.


7 posted on 02/06/2014 3:36:18 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Dusty Road

He should have been upfront with them. Those guards know the rules and understand people sometimes make mistakes.

At the start of a new job I rolled into the base not realizing I’d forgotten to unpack my long guns which were inside a duffel bag in the truck’s toolbox. Not recognizing my vehicle the gate guards pulled me over for inspection. I was asked to open the tool box and the duffel bag end was open, propped with barrels sticking out, propped up against the box frame. So when I opened it the guard sees these barrels pointing out at him and says “Ooooh”. I had to make an inbriefing and wanted to leave the duffel bag at the guard shack but he says “would you allow me to do that”? That settled it. Drove home and missed the indoc.


8 posted on 02/06/2014 3:39:29 AM PST by Justa
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To: bfh333

It’s their country and their laws, good thing he wasn’t going into Mexico. I’ve taken firearms across both borders at least a dozen times into Mexico for Deer and birds. Know the laws and you’ll have no problem, violate them and you’ve got problems. To say you forgot ain’t going to fly.


9 posted on 02/06/2014 3:45:12 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Jim Noble

Yep his story is a little hard to swallow, but bull chit always is.


10 posted on 02/06/2014 3:47:52 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: rickmichaels
F*ck Canada.

Two years ago we had to go to Canada on business. At the border they treated us like criminals.

My wife and I always take a can of pepper spray with us. It protects against dangerous dogs and certain animals. I have squirted charging pit bulls in the face and instantly turned them away.

We like to walk in the outdoors. People have been attacked by coyotes, cougars, etc., and the spray is a good deterrent.

But the Canadian border nazis siezed my pepper spray, searched my car and made us wait for over two hours to get in to their pathetic country.

Business or not, I'll never go into Canada again.

11 posted on 02/06/2014 3:50:54 AM PST by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: Bulwyf
No, there is no common sense anymore.

Turning him around would be the easy/common sense thing to do, but don't expect common sense to reign at any border crossing. For example:

I sometimes drive around with a quantity of drugs that are freely available in Canada over the counter (each pill contains 8 grams of codeine). I don't know what would happen to me if I tried to cross the US border with a couple of hundred of these and told the officer "I forgot they were in the car." I inspect my own car before I cross the border for a reason.

12 posted on 02/06/2014 3:51:20 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: rickmichaels

If they made a mistake and was lost than I believe they should be let go with a warning and a “turn around”. However, if they were vacationing with the weapon then it would be different story. I know they are another country but I feel the same way with states rights. They can do as they please. However, Canada can even more than one of our states since they do not have a second amendment. This was an easy common sense story that Canada dropped the ball on.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 3:59:48 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Bulwyf

It’s time the government stops trying to squash our rights.

Unfortunately you do not have a second amendment. Do you have a right to arms up in Canada in your Constitution?


14 posted on 02/06/2014 4:01:06 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I understand you check you car, as do I. Like Jim Noble said, perhaps there’s too much missing still. It’s just a big sore spot for me living in Alberta that I can’t defend myself.

I mean, if I’m hiking or something along those lines, I carry a shotgun or rifle, but even then I can’t carry one of my handguns or carry concealed, it’s just plain stupid.


15 posted on 02/06/2014 4:01:50 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Dusty Road

He’s from Kentucky visiting Vermont. He wasn’t hunting. The gun he kept was for protection, he dosent take it out unless he needs it. Your bow and rifle was part of the main reason you were going.

Sounds like you agree with the draconian laws against self protection.


16 posted on 02/06/2014 4:02:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Dusty Road

From what I read it said he was lost. I grew up on the border, and if you turned down the wrong road, it was easy to wind up at a crossing.

I just don’t see why he wasn’t turned around unless he was trying to intentionally smuggle something across with intent to sell or something along those lines. If that was the case, wouldn’t it of made more sense to try a little harder to hide it heh.


17 posted on 02/06/2014 4:03:45 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: eCSMaster

Two years ago we had to go to Canada on business. At the border they treated us like criminals.

Actually I am glad that they are so strict. They do not have near the illegals that we do. We are WAY to easy at the border. I know it probably sucks being treated like a criminal, but at least they are going to continue having their country unlike us.


18 posted on 02/06/2014 4:04:09 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Jim Noble

You’re right, there is a lot missing. It did strike me as a bit odd that his GPS led him off course and he winds up at a border crossing. If that’s the case why didn’t he just turn around at that point when he realized that wasn’t the way he wanted to go?


19 posted on 02/06/2014 4:04:43 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Vaquero

Sounds like you agree with the draconian laws against self protection.

It’s Canada! If it was our country then I would be upset but are we going to dictate foreign countries now? Would we want the states to do that? Freedom is freedom and the countries can set their own rules.


20 posted on 02/06/2014 4:06:51 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Vaquero
You couldn't be any more wrong in your assumption, I carry daily but this is Texas and that wasn't. He broke their laws and got in trouble for it, whether it was intentional or not. I know where my guns are at all times!If you don't like other countries laws then don't go there. Had this been Mexico he would be spending a long time in prison, do I agree with it NO but it is what it is.
21 posted on 02/06/2014 4:12:39 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: napscoordinator

” Do you have a right to arms up in Canada in your Constitution?”

Probably the USA is the only country in the world with anything remotely close the 2nd.


22 posted on 02/06/2014 4:13:11 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Dusty Road
He forgot he had a handgun in the console while going into Canada?

Forget about Canada -- The fact that he forgot that he had a handgun in his console while driving from Kentucky to Vermont -- through New York -- demonstrates that this guy lacks the competence to even own a handgun. Mere possession of an unloaded handgun in New York without a state issued permit is at least a misdemeanor and a Class E Felony with a minimum 3.5 year sentence if the firearm is loaded. There is an an exception for transit through New York State (except for New York City) provided the person is legally allowed to possess the handgun in his or her state of residence and the handgun is unloaded, locked, and inaccessible to the occupants of the motor vehicle.

23 posted on 02/06/2014 4:20:44 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: napscoordinator
Right to arms??? A constitution???

Canada has a constitution in name only. It really isn't worth the paper its written on.

Besides, who needs a constitution? How is yours working out for you?

24 posted on 02/06/2014 4:23:58 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: rickmichaels

Truth be told, the guy was probably in violation of several state laws driving from Kentucky to Vermont with a loaded gun in the center console. (Not sayin’ I agree with the laws, just sayin’)


25 posted on 02/06/2014 4:29:59 AM PST by Boris99
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To: Bulwyf
I agree with you. There is no reason that mentally balanced, law abiding citizens should be prohibited from carrying concealed weapons. It lowers crime rates.

Fortunately, crime rates in most places are so low, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

26 posted on 02/06/2014 4:30:38 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Canada does have a higher violent crime rate per capita than the US.

I don’t see how we can reverse the damage to our gun laws here because too many liberals buy the lies.

Well, I see one way, if the west just up and left.


27 posted on 02/06/2014 4:36:30 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Boris99

Yep but we must not talk about that or his forgetfulness and inability to notice he was crossing into another country, let alone crossing state lines.


28 posted on 02/06/2014 4:45:49 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: rickmichaels
I think there is more to this story than what's been reported here. In fact, I call B.S. on it.

I've crossed the border between the U.S. and Canada dozens of times. If this guy just "got lost" then he never intended to enter Canada anyway and therefore wouldn't have been processed at the Canada Customs facility as a visitor. They would have turned him around and sent him back south to the U.S.

Oddly enough, he may have been forced to go through a U.S. immigration/customs process at that point, depending on how the border crossing facilities are laid out. For many of these locations, someone driving north into Canada drives past the U.S. immigration/customs facility first, which means they have to get processed as a new entry from Canada if they turn right around and go back.

29 posted on 02/06/2014 4:49:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Labyrinthos
It's worse than that.

The article says he and his wife crossed into Canada at the Thousand Islands Bridge. That's several hours west of Vermont, at the north end Interstate 81 in New York State.

Something about this story stinks to high heaven. He might be better off being prosecuted in Canada than being prosecuted in New York.

30 posted on 02/06/2014 4:54:25 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: napscoordinator

The border goons on both sides of our country’s borders are lowbrow neanderthals with zero common sense. Canadian laws suck it’s true, but if the idiots at the Detroit/Windsor crossing find so much as a mariijuana seed in the carpet from your kid or spent .22 casing under the seat from your last trip to the range, you can also be thrown in lail, subject to huge fines AND have your car impounded (read:stolen)


31 posted on 02/06/2014 4:55:46 AM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: eCSMaster

When the kids were younger, we went to Epcot and, unfortunately, into the Canadian pavilion.

I think I still have PTSD from the experience. What a joke.


32 posted on 02/06/2014 5:02:37 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: rickmichaels

The thing that bugs me about this incident is the border agent asking WHY he owned guns. Its none of his f’in business and people should not be subjected to some moron’s political views. That Canuck should be told to STFU about politics and stick to checking for fruits and veggies.


33 posted on 02/06/2014 5:06:40 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: eCSMaster

On our first crossing into Canada in 2012, the young border guard asked if we had any weapons, fruits or vegetables. I held up a bag containing four apples. He admonished us, “Don’t bring them next time!” & waved us through. That was all.

Crossing back into the U.S. we handed our passports to the border police. He scanned them & immediately told us to pull into the holding area to have our vehicle searched while we had to fill out a customs declaration. It took an hour & a half and when they returned our passports assured us that this was a random one in three hundred vehicles search.

My wife & I are retired military & we each have been deployed. That makes us potential terrorists under the current regime. I don’t think that search was random, JMHO.


34 posted on 02/06/2014 5:26:12 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I watched Two Americans Returning Into the US I think the Crossing is Pembina,ND. give the customs agents crap.
I was inside getting my Firearms checked.

They looked like they didn’t enjoy the cavity search when they came out of the room.


35 posted on 02/06/2014 5:30:32 AM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: rickmichaels

Anybody who buys the “Why couldn’t they just turn him around” BS have probably never been to the border. First off if you are interacting with the Canadian border service you are in Canada, not the US. Once you pull up to the booth, it is too late. If they, for the sake of argument, turned him around he would again be arrested at the US border for the same thing. You see, he would have to go through US customs to get back, and I’m pretty sure they would want to know why he was turned back from Canada.

He should count himself lucky that he was not arrested on our side of the border, which was New York. If he was found in NY with a handgun in his car, he would be doing years in state prison instead of the couple of days in Canada. You cannot possess a handgun in NY without a NY handgun permit, which you cannot obtain unless you live in NY.

The guy also sounds like one of those drivers who are oblivious to his surroundings. You know the type, exits from the left lane on a highway. Maybe he should have read the signs that alert you that you are heading for the border. They start a few miles before you cross. The last exit in the USA one is also a big giveaway. I cross the border all the time around Champlain NY, since my daughter attends college in Montreal. There is no way someone who pays attention could stumble on it.

Because of all this, it brings to mind how does a guy this dumb get employed in the position he is in, Army Corps of Engineers. What this points to is the death of competence in our country. From the top to bottom, people are getting dumber and dumber.


36 posted on 02/06/2014 6:03:59 AM PST by gusty
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To: Labyrinthos

do you know that he didn’t unload it and lock it in the trunk during his trip through NY? he was in Vermont at the time which is a no license, carry concealed or carry exposed state....

I personally am licensed in NYS. when I travel from my home on Long Island, through NYC(often, mostly to go to my hunting camp upstate), I am suppose to lock the gun, unloaded. once I cross into Westchester county, 10 minutes later, I may pull over reload and carry. talk about draconian.


37 posted on 02/06/2014 6:15:33 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Canada has a constitution in name only. It really isn't worth the paper its written on. Besides, who needs a constitution? How is yours working out for you?

Shorten it a bit and would make a good tagline.

38 posted on 02/06/2014 6:22:03 AM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: Vaquero

Minor point, but I do not think he made it to Vermont. He crossed into Canada around Ogdensburg, NY in the Thousand Islands area.

For the history buffs out there. Maybe they are a little touchy about Americans crossing the border with guns in this particular area of Canada. One clue, Hunters Lodges.


39 posted on 02/06/2014 6:22:49 AM PST by gusty
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To: Bulwyf
"Canada does have a higher violent crime rate per capita than the US."

Are you sure about that?

40 posted on 02/06/2014 6:26:59 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It could be true, but meaningless all the same. If it is, the reason would be the US has more people per capita living in rural areas than Canada, which has a few big cities but a vastly smaller population. If giving a choice, I would rather walk the streets of Montreal at 1am than any major city in the US.


41 posted on 02/06/2014 6:32:24 AM PST by gusty
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Canada has a pretty low crime rate in most areas. I think much depends on definitions and how things are measured.

Certainly, for homicides, Canada numbers are much lower on average than those for the U.S.

Look at comparable cultural groups on both sides of the border and they have similar homicide rates.


42 posted on 02/06/2014 6:35:15 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Vaquero
do you know that he didn’t unload it and lock it in the trunk during his trip through NY? he was in Vermont at the time which is a no license, carry concealed or carry exposed state....

According to article:

After eight or nine hours on the road listening to Gospel music and having a good time, the couple wound up on the Thousand Islands Bridge for Canada.

The Thousand Island Bridge connects New York and Canada. In addition, the article states that he has retained a lawyer from Ottawa, which indicates that the arrest occurred in the Province of Ontario, which does not have a common border with Vermont.

43 posted on 02/06/2014 6:37:21 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Yes sir, 66% higher per capita. I am on my way to work or I would link the source. If you remind me tonight I’ll see if I can find that for you.


44 posted on 02/06/2014 6:39:44 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: rickmichaels

One of the responsibilities of handgun ownership is always to be cognizant of its location and condition. I would say that forgetting that you have one in your center console qualifies as a failure in that department.

This incident is another example of the need to bring back the legal principle of intent. Government (more correctly, those with government authority and power) seems to look for people who violated the law in a technical sense but without the intent on committing any crime. Government then grinds these people into the ground just to show the little people who is in charge.


45 posted on 02/06/2014 6:59:02 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Labyrinthos

Yeah my bad. Saw Vermont as the US destination and thought they made the wrong turn from there.


46 posted on 02/06/2014 7:06:49 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: rickmichaels
The communist takeover of the western hemisphere continues unabated.

Does it really matter who you vote for anymore? I think not.

FMCDH(BITS)

47 posted on 02/06/2014 8:30:14 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: napscoordinator
napscoordinator said: "Freedom is freedom and the countries can set their own rules."

I don't think that is how "unalienable" works.

If the majority of people in the U.S. wanted to eliminate the Second Amendment, would that be okay with you?

48 posted on 02/06/2014 10:42:45 AM PST by William Tell
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To: rickmichaels

49 posted on 02/06/2014 3:23:39 PM PST by hout8475
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