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Israel said willing to give up 90% of West Bank
The Times of Israel ^ | 2/6/2014 | GAVRIEL FISKE

Posted on 02/06/2014 9:22:17 AM PST by Former Fetus

The closed-door negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority over the future contours of a Palestinian state, and how much land and settlements Israel will retain, have reportedly come down to a matter of a few percentage points, with both sides agreeing in principle that the majority of Jewish West Bank settlements would be transferred to Israeli sovereignty in a final status deal.

Citing anonymous Israeli, Palestinian and American sources close to the negotiations, Walla News reported on Thursday that Israel is seeking to annex about 10 percent of the West Bank’s land area in a final deal. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are seeking to have Israel annex only around 3% of the West Bank, the report said.

Some 70-80% of Jewish West Bank settlements will be transferred to Israel whether Israel retains 10% or 3% of West Bank land, the report noted. According to a source on the American side, “it is clear” that Israel is “willing in principle to give up” control of 90% of the West Bank.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; israelsettlements; peace; westbank
I keep telling myself this is Bible prophecy being fulfilled. But this is how I really feel:


1 posted on 02/06/2014 9:22:17 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

No land for peace

now or ever


2 posted on 02/06/2014 9:24:30 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Because such a trade is a fool’s deal. The Palestinians will never be satisfied until they control 100% of Israel.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 9:27:59 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That will happen next year.


4 posted on 02/06/2014 9:32:08 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Former Fetus
Israel said willing to give up 90% of West Bank

They could give up 99.99% of everything and the Palestinians would still not accept it. They want 100% period.

They know that if they accept a deal of anything less than 100%, that is all they would ever get. Internationally recognized borders that recognized Israel, would be the last thing that they would want...........

5 posted on 02/06/2014 9:36:49 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

They could give up 100%, and the Palestinians and Europe wouldn’t be happy until they saw all the Jews at least a mile out to sea swimming away from their homeland.

Israel made something of itself, while the Palestinians decided to live in squalor, rather than apply themselves. Now Israel is the bad guy.

How much land is Europe willing to give up for peace. Seems like 500 square miles up there somewhere wouldn’t be too much to ask, since they seem to endorse the concept for Israel every time it’s lofted.


6 posted on 02/06/2014 9:48:36 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Former Fetus

The Jew haters will use this to cut the nation in half. I can’t believe the Israelis can’t see that. The time of Jacob’s troubles are upon us. Only the Lord can save them now.


7 posted on 02/06/2014 9:51:00 AM PST by Lake Living
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To: Former Fetus

Ehud Barak put 98% on the table, and a two state solution, and Yasser Arafat turned it down flat.


8 posted on 02/06/2014 10:26:42 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Former Fetus

Bibi said that? I don’t believe it.

Anyway, it won’t be enough. The Arabs want 100% of the nation of Israel given up, plus every Jew in Israel hurled into the Mediterranean Sea. Once that happens, they’ll be satisfied. For a week. Then they’ll set their sights on killing Jews in other nations.


9 posted on 02/06/2014 10:50:17 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Lake Living

So the majority of Israelis who favor this are Jew haters?


10 posted on 02/06/2014 11:30:41 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Former Fetus

I’d just plow it up, irrigate and dust it with Iodine-131 and caesium-137 , “here ya go fellas, enjoy”


11 posted on 02/06/2014 11:55:16 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
...with both sides agreeing in principle that the majority of Jewish West Bank settlements would be transferred to Israeli sovereignty in a final status deal.
Pali denial in 3, 2, 1... Thanks Former Fetus.
12 posted on 02/06/2014 5:37:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Lisbon1940

Lisbon1940 wrote: “So the majority of Israelis who favor this are Jew haters?”

The majority of Israelis who favor this are anti-Torah, “post-zionist”, anti-Jewish, Leftist scum, so yes, they are “Jew haters”.

Wake up and smell the unwashed tuchis that is the brain of the Israeli Left:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3119445/posts


13 posted on 02/06/2014 9:26:09 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Yehuda

But the Orthodox Israelis are the ones who avoid military service. Your tuchus sniffers are the ones who defend the country. It is silly call them self-haters. Many Freepers who support the idea of Greater Israel are Revelationists, who actually want Jews to accept Jesus or perish. Sorry, not interested.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 12:56:49 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: yldstrk

Arab version: No peace for land

now or ever


15 posted on 02/07/2014 7:54:35 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Lisbon1940

The Haredim (so-called ultra-orthodox) avoid military service (and that may be coming to an end soon (slowly…)).

The religious zionists have been moving forward in the IDF for decades and are now well-represented in the IDF officer corps.

The majority of Israelis identify themselves as “traditional” which includes some semblance of observing Shabbat (i.e., not working), eating kosher meat if not keeping completely kosher, and attending services on the High Holidays.

YOUR ass-sucking leftist friends violate the Sabbath, willfully eat non-kosher meat and/or pork, are often homosexuals, AND ARE OFTEN DRAFT DODGERS.

If you read the article I linked above by Carolyn Glick where the peace-morons ADMIT their goal is NOT PEACE but more terror as long as it leads to the DE-Judaification of Israel, you might actually learn something.

You have been here almost a year dropping your little haiku-esque faux witticisms. You are on the Right side on many important issues here on FR, but you appear to be clueless on this one.

Instead of acting like a know it all, try learning something.


16 posted on 02/07/2014 11:16:25 AM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Former Fetus

This whole idea of giving up land is insane


17 posted on 02/07/2014 11:20:06 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Yehuda

I’m reading Ari Shavit now. I took Hebrew lessons from his mother in 1961. His account of the Israeli bomb project is fascinating. My Israeli family members all served and my cousin Avinoam was killed in the ‘73 war.


18 posted on 02/07/2014 11:32:17 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Lisbon1940
Many Freepers who support the idea of Greater Israel are Revelationists, who actually want Jews to accept Jesus or perish.

I am a proud Evangelical. I believe the day is coming when Jews will accept Jesus AND LIVE!

19 posted on 02/07/2014 11:33:52 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

I figure this is a delaying tactic. Get to the negotiation table and run out the clock until Lurch rumbles off into retirement.

I see no Russian or Chinese pressure on Israel. Only by Obama and evil, amoral scum he appoints


20 posted on 02/07/2014 11:36:54 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

I’m afraid the only way Lurch will retire is with a Nobel peace prize in his pocket... wait, that would work, wouldn’t it? I mean, the prize is worthless considering that Obama, Arafat, Carter... got it. Now, if we could only contact the people awarding the prize, maybe they would see how getting Lurch out to pasture would be conducive to peace!


21 posted on 02/07/2014 11:42:16 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Lisbon1940

Afaict, Shavit is a hand-wringing pseudo “post-zionist” who claims to want Israel to go on forever but whines that because of israel’s “terrible past” (even though the muslims are trying to exterminate Israel) he’s afraid Israel will go disappear BECAUSE they are always battling the muslims

IOW instead of actually considering COMPLETELY DEFEATING Israel’s enemies, he feels Israel will cease to exist out of exhaustion or surrender or defeat, and so his solution is to….

GIVE MORE LAND to people who want to kill him (and kill your and my Israeli family members (and then when they are done devouring Israel, they will turn their attention back to the U.S.).

If you admire Shavit (who writes for the far-left Haaretz), its no wonder you would pretend that the far left Israelis who support handing over Israel to the jihadis are not Jew-haters.

Sorry for the loss of your cousin. MY Israeli family have or are serving as well, and my U.S. family has served here since WW 1.

GO READ GLICKS ARTICLE.

Shabbat Shalom.


22 posted on 02/07/2014 11:47:03 AM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Former Fetus

That is fine for you to believe, but it does not make you pro-Israel. It makes you pro-prophecy.


23 posted on 02/07/2014 11:47:53 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Lisbon1940

Who says that one can’t be both? I am pro-Israel because God gave the land to Abraham and his descendants in perpetuity. And I am pro-prophecy because I believe that when God says that something is going to happen, it’s as well as done!


24 posted on 02/07/2014 11:57:55 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus
I’m afraid the only way Lurch will retire is with a Nobel peace prize in his pocket

Hopefully he will never get one and not one that comes at the expense of making Israel very vulnerable to insane Muslims by giving up too much land

Land for peace war

 

25 posted on 02/07/2014 11:58:35 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Yehuda

Okay, I’ll read Glick and I suggest you read Shavit. But please don’t call Israeli Jews who helped to build the country Jew-haters. That is simply offensive.


26 posted on 02/07/2014 11:59:39 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Lisbon1940; firebrand; RaceBannon; rmlew; Eleutheria5; Ezekiel; Nachum; SJackson; ExTexasRedhead; ..

Lisbon1940 wrote: “...Many Freepers who support the idea of Greater Israel are Revelationists, who actually want Jews to accept Jesus or perish. Sorry, not interested.”

Really? How many? What percentage? Have you met Christian Freepers?

I HAVE. I have marched with many dozens of them FOR OVER TEN YEARS to defend America, and to defend Israel.

One of them drove hundreds of miles round-trip to meet me and 3 other Jews and one Catholic Freeper here in “JEW YORK CITY” to stand outside a BOATLOAD OF 100+ HAMAS FLOTILLA SUPPORTERS, and we stood out there for 4 hours.

I emailed 2 dozen Jews to show up. THOSE TWO GENTILE FREEPERS SHOWED UP.

Do they believe in their “Revelation”?

I don’t know.

And I don’t care if they want to support Israel (Greater or current) because they think it brings their End Times closer, and/or BECAUSE G–D BLESSES THOSE WHO BLESS ISRAEL, AND BECAUSE ITS GOOD FOR AMERICA.

Besides, If you ARE a JEW, you follow TORAH, not their “Revelation”.

With that said, there are thousands of non-Jewish Freepers here who support Israel WITH THEIR MOUTHS, THEIR MONEY AND THEIR TIME (and likely with much more fervor than you do.)

Time for you to wake up and figure out who Israel’s REAL FRiends are.

(”Shabbat Shalom” also means I am offline for now till at least Sat night if you insist on arguing this issue).


27 posted on 02/07/2014 12:02:16 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: dennisw
He does not deserve one. But, considering who's got it in the past, maybe it would be worth giving it to him... if it leads Lurch to retire. I don't think he cares about what happens in the ME, he just wants his sucker price!
28 posted on 02/07/2014 12:03:33 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Lisbon1940

” But please don’t call Israeli Jews who helped to build the country Jew-haters.”

Anyone who despite having “helped to build the country” but now desires to support jihadi demands for Israeli land is ANTI-JEW.


29 posted on 02/07/2014 12:05:15 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Yehuda

Okay. Gut Shabbes to you.


30 posted on 02/07/2014 12:08:59 PM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Lisbon1940; Yehuda; Eleutheria5

31 posted on 02/07/2014 12:34:47 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Yehuda

You have a way with words.


32 posted on 02/07/2014 1:54:46 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Yehuda

I love you man, but we arent taking showers at 4am...


33 posted on 02/07/2014 4:11:32 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Lisbon1940

That is a judgmental statement based on stereotype, not reality

I admit, some times when Christians try to explain what the prophecies mean to Christians, we sometimes forget that the explanation of how many die can sound horrible while we see it as evidence of God working, and in the end, the JEWS are the survivors

Depending on how it is spoken of and who is explaining it, I admit, it can sound like gloating.

it is not gloating, however, that is what must be emphasized

At least if the professing Christian has any maturity in them anyways, the new believer just doesn’t understand that speaking biblical truth doesn’t have to be harsh, just accurate.

As for those who are trying to usher in the end times, which it seems you are referring to, the number of people who believe they can speed up prophecy are minuscule in the Christian world

The mature educated Christian knows that the world moves in God’s time, not ours, and while I can speed events in my life up, I cannot speed up what is prophesied, especially those things written about 2500 years ago.


34 posted on 02/07/2014 4:17:47 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: RaceBannon

I don’t really mind Christian beliefs about the end times because as a Jew I don’t believe it will happen. What I do mind are people labeling Jews as self-hating or anti-Semitic if they support a policy position that doesn’t hasten Christian prophecy. Honest and sincere Israeli patriots can have different views on the best way forward. Christians are also welcome to voice their views, but not to make scurrilous charges against Jews who may disagree.


35 posted on 02/08/2014 1:54:23 AM PST by Lisbon1940
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To: Lisbon1940; RaceBannon
Lisbon1940 wrote: "What I do mind are people labeling Jews as self-hating or anti-Semitic if they support a policy position that doesn’t hasten Christian prophecy. "

How about if the policies those Jews push CAUSE THE DEATHS OF MORE JEWS AND THE LOSS OF MORE OF ISRAEL?

EVERY SINGLE POSITION ADVANCED BY THE JEWISH LEFT (and those accepted by the RIght, i.e., the abandonment of Gaza) has been a FREAKING DISASTER FOR JEWS, FOR ISRAEL, and for the Judeo-Christian Capitalist West.

During the Palestinian Al-Aqsa Intifada (Sept. 2000 - Dec. 2005) another 1,100 Israelis were killed.

Since December 2005, Palestinian terrorist attacks have claimed at least another 135 Israeli lives.

"Honest and sincere Israeli patriots can have different views on the best way forward. "

The only "difference of view" that there should be between REAL "Honest and sincere Israeli patriots" is whether the Dome of the Crock (sic) on top of OUR TEMPLE MOUNT is dismantled by architects, or by demolition experts, and about how many buses will be needed to move millions of muslims out of Israel.

Your other "different views" COST JEWISH BLOOD.

"Christians are also welcome to voice their views, but not to make scurrilous charges against Jews who may disagree."

How bloody islamo-marxist of you. So our Christian allies ARE DHIMMIES in this conversation?

36 posted on 02/12/2014 10:48:22 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Yehuda; Lisbon1940; RaceBannon; KC_Lion
Those numbers posted above are incomplete due to my poor HTML. They should be thus:
From the Oslo Accords (Sept. 1993) until September 2000 - nearly 300 Israelis were killed in attacks.

During the Palestinian Al-Aqsa Intifada (Sept. 2000 - Dec. 2005) another 1,100 Israelis were killed.

Since December 2005, Palestinian terrorist attacks have claimed at least another 135 Israeli lives.


37 posted on 02/12/2014 10:50:50 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Might be God will allow this in order to expedite his ultimate Plans......we know there’s eventually going to be a Peace Plan they will all agree on...but I can’t imagine ,really, that this is it. Too many things need to be in place yet for that to happen..and they aren’t.

Besides, “agreeing in Principle” isn’t an agreement.


38 posted on 02/12/2014 11:00:52 PM PST by caww
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To: Yehuda; GeronL; onyx
All that matters to me Yehuda is one Israeli killed in the intifada is one Israeli too many. >:(

And May I say that every word in your post 16 is right on~!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3119958/posts?page=16#16

39 posted on 02/13/2014 6:06:22 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion; Yehuda

Yehuda is the very best and I like his #36, too.
He used to ping me...HINT.


40 posted on 02/13/2014 8:38:00 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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