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Senate Fails to Pass 3-Month Extension of Jobless Benefits
New York Times ^ | 02/06/2014 | Jeremy W. Peters

Posted on 02/06/2014 12:34:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: VerySadAmerican

Agree. The real problem is the economy is sucking bilgewater and the MSM won’t even point out the obvious.


51 posted on 02/06/2014 4:48:25 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: jocon307

Hang in there. I know it is hard. I just said a prayer to The Lord Jesus for you. I am sure God knows your situation. I had 2 jobs collapse out from under me within less than 3 years. God gave me another job. May He watch over you.


52 posted on 02/06/2014 5:08:06 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: nascarnation

Amen. But have you ever noticed that when it is some media outfit shedding jobs, such as CNN, USA Today, or any newspaper, ohhhhhh.......the reporting is that is sooooooo tragic.


53 posted on 02/06/2014 5:09:57 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SeekAndFind

Today was a red letter day. It reminds me of the battle of Midway. We crushed that damned parasite unemployment so those lazy bastards will have to go to work and John Boehner dropped to his knees on these damned illegal aliens. I tell you we must now follow up. I demanded Boehner be ousted to my Congressman and he , by God ,listened.


54 posted on 02/06/2014 5:15:20 PM PST by SADMILLIE
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To: SkyPilot

Thank you so much, SkyPilot! It’s all been very mentally disruptive to me. I never thought I would have such a hard time finding a job, and I never have (of course I had that one for a long time, so I wasn’t looking, which in hindsight might have been a mistake).


55 posted on 02/06/2014 5:33:53 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Amendment10

Excellent. Agree. See tag.


56 posted on 02/06/2014 5:37:14 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Thank you, VerySadAmerican! I know there are some folks that like to just sit on their behinds while the gov’t is handing out the money. But I have to say I have a very good work history and I am in a major metro area, if I am having this hard of a time others must be having it even worse.

And it IS all very discouraging, that was something else I never really understood. Let us face it, rejection always stinks!


57 posted on 02/06/2014 5:40:34 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Buck up! Things will improve very soon I perceive…these are all positives for business owners! I agree with the “Midway” poster…this is the midway and WE MUST NOT SUCCUMB! Fight on! The threat of the 2014’s and the outcome will open up the coffers..keep the heat on!

Never ever give up.


58 posted on 02/06/2014 6:36:40 PM PST by acapesket
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To: acapesket

“Never ever give up.”

Thank you, definitely not giving up!


59 posted on 02/06/2014 7:30:59 PM PST by jocon307
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To: IC Ken

Why in your trash can?


60 posted on 02/06/2014 7:33:01 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: IC Ken

Here’s the problem: At least in my state, say your engineer was laid off: His “benefits” (which at least initially did come from his employer’s “cost of labor”) would be 2/3 of his recent income. But in many cases, such as mine when I was laid off, I had already accepted a pay cut & hung on with “the company” to try to help it survive. Plus I knew decent jobs were getting very scarce. In my case, my actual paycheck went down by 40% before my layoff. After being laid off, add it all up (more like “subtract it all off”) and my “benefit” check was under 40% of my take home pay of a little over a year prior.

So... Let’s say I find non-professional, most likely temporary employment, for about the same pay as the unemployment benefits. Most likely there is no health insurance to go with such a job - a big concern for a 50+ year-old with a family to support. But, that employment is the best thing available. When that employment ends, guess what: New benefits will be calculated from the recent employment (2/3 again) - and now one is REALLY in trouble. Worse, now anyone looking for a “professional” will take one look at the most recent employment, and do what you did - chuck the resume or job app in the trash.

Your engineer was probably not “lazy.” He was likely desperate and making the best financial decision available.


61 posted on 02/07/2014 3:13:00 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: jocon307

I can empathize. Especially if one is a professional and past 50, few employers are looking. A lot of people with the option ARE taking early retirement, which helps the U1 unemployment figures, but is deadly to the nation in the long run. Others do just go with the handouts, but I really believe most people would still prefer a good job, if such were available. It truly is, as you say, very discouraging, but you just have to keep hammering away. For those who would disparage others in your situation, I suggest they try walking in your shoes for a while! There’s nothing like actual experience.

In my case I used our limited savings to refire an old “business-on-the-side”, worked like a madman, and am finally profitable — well, probably not this winter, as our Obama-electric-bills and a host of repairs are killing us, plus the Health care insurance too — but if all goes well, later in the year, I project lower middle class status for my family in 2014. The downside is that one can work TOO hard: I’d guess I’ve taken a couple years off my lifespan...

At any rate, keep your head up. You sound like a good employee, and if you keep at it, surely some opportunity will eventually turn up.


62 posted on 02/07/2014 4:07:04 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

Paul,
Where I am the Marcellus Shale is booming. technicians, engineers, office workers etc are all in demand. W PA and I hear ND and SD are also booming.
I do understand your point. There are also exceptions to the rule. If he was older like you (I am 62) I would have thought differently. Many older engineers are replaced because of their pay scale and can be replace with a younger engineer at 1/2 the rate. I find that sad.


63 posted on 02/07/2014 4:26:13 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems the Slimes has changed the story. It now says 59 voted for extension. At 55, I was wondering what 4 dems strayed from Hairy’s farm and didn’t vote for it.


64 posted on 02/07/2014 5:13:45 AM PST by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Paul R.

Thanks Paul! I am also trying to do freelance work, which I’m having some success at - more would be nice!


65 posted on 02/07/2014 6:25:31 AM PST by jocon307
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To: SeekAndFind
Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire

What a disappointment she has turned out to be.
66 posted on 02/07/2014 6:27:00 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: IC Ken
I had an engineer apply for a job open I had. He was off 89 weeks. His resume looked great in my trash can.

You sound like a real douche bag.

67 posted on 02/07/2014 7:06:42 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Mac,
I am in an area where there are amble jobs. The applicant decided to take the 89 week paid vacation. I would think differently if I was in an area where jobs were scarce.
BTW...you kiss your mother with that mouth?


68 posted on 02/07/2014 8:45:41 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: SkyPilot; All
I had 2 jobs collapse out from under me within less than 3 years.

I am in a similar situation. 2 jobs vanished out from under me within the past 5 years. The competition is immense, and anyone who believes that simply doing away with extended UI will get people to find work has their heads far up their backside. (See the JOLT report......3 unemployed people for every single job opening)

The way I see it is that we print billions of dollars each year for aid to other countries, tin pot dictators and all sorts of other things that are not paid for, yet the GOP draws the line at this aid to Americans in a time of need?!?! It just is terrible optics, and I say that as a Conservative.

(and it should be noted that each time the unemployment rate was above 6.5%, this has been extended.....even under Bush #1)
69 posted on 02/08/2014 5:48:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IC Ken

You sound like a grade A Ahole.


70 posted on 02/08/2014 5:49:27 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeaHawkFan; All
If unemployment was kept to no more than 26 weeks, the unemployment rate would plummet

Statements like this are ignorant beyond belief.

Ever hear of the monthly JOLT report? Currently, there are 3 unemployed people for every single job opening. What you claim is an IMPOSSIBILITY!
71 posted on 02/08/2014 5:51:09 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, it looks like you have another 90 weeks or so... before your benefits run out :)

Are you really that dense? The max is now 26 weeks without the federal extension, and 73 (not 99) in the worst unemployment rate states even if it did pass.

People should not speak if they do not know what they are talking about. You look like fools.
72 posted on 02/08/2014 5:54:17 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cboldt
Really, this is just a benefit to the 1.3 or 1.7 million, or whatever the number is. They are just choosing to not work

I sincerely hope people like you become unemployed very soon and know what it feels like.
73 posted on 02/08/2014 5:55:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We’ve given them everything they wanted. Paid for,”

To wit: “I swiped your credit card and the charge was approved.”


74 posted on 02/08/2014 6:00:06 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I sincerely hope people like you have your sarcasm/”riff off the official line” detectors fixed, and soon.


75 posted on 02/08/2014 6:17:03 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Red in Blue PA

I own my business. Guess what? If I don’t succeed I get zero NADA Unemployment but my employees would.


76 posted on 02/08/2014 6:27:16 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: IC Ken

We all must suffer so as to get those confused about things to think more clearly. Most of those who fought for independence in the 1700’s lost everything...some lost their lives.


77 posted on 02/08/2014 6:42:29 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: All

Private message received from IC Ken......absolutely no class whatsoever.....I edited the first word:

F*** you. Why would I hire someone that took an 89 week vacation. You sound like a real dumb ass.


78 posted on 02/08/2014 9:22:59 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IC Ken

Ah, so you’re a publicly posting a-hole who epitomizes the scummy attitudes that are keeping me from working.

Screw you - I hope you get to experience the misery of unemployment, of constantly being looked down upon, of seeing your future and your ability to keep a roof over your head disappear, and get to experience the daily humiliation that goes with not working.

You are fetid filth, and have no home here on FR.


79 posted on 02/08/2014 9:29:24 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: SeekAndFind
I changed jobs twice during my career... once because I didn't want to relocate to Chicago when my employer relocated, and once because I got engaged to my now wife who happened to live on the other side of the country.

Both times I was faced with the option of spending a long time searching for a comparable job vs. taking a huge pay cut and starting over. I opted for the starting over approach, and both times was able to get caught back up pretty quickly.

Experience and work ethics are valuable assets, and I think a lot of people spend too much time trying to match their previous jobs when they can do just as well in the long run by just getting their foot back in the door someplace and using their experience/maturity to rise back up again.

80 posted on 02/08/2014 9:52:35 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: jocon307

What would you do without the benefits? Take a lower-paying job? Cut your costs?


81 posted on 02/08/2014 12:02:18 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: RebelTXRose

Good for you, Rebel! You’ll be better off not remaining unemployed longer—as the extended benefits would make possible.


82 posted on 02/08/2014 12:04:31 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Cementjungle

Yep. I watched a friend of mine go through the other approach.

He was a highly-paid professional who started out saying that he was pretty sure that he could get hired pretty quickly, but he kept encountering positions that he wouldn’t consider because they paid less than his old job. Then he got a little more desperate and sold his condo. Then he tried to start his own business, but that didn’t work. Then he moved back in with his father. He’s scrambling for bits of work now years and years after the layoff, while still sending out resumes for long-shot positions.


83 posted on 02/08/2014 12:42:00 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Yossarian

Did you ever think it is YOUR attitude that keeps you from being hired?


84 posted on 02/08/2014 1:37:14 PM PST by IC Ken
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To: IC Ken
Did you ever think it is YOUR attitude that keeps you from being hired?

On behalf of my friends - all engineers, who had stellar careers, and are now long-term unemployed: Screw You. We're dealing first with a flood of cheap imports from overseas, and then as those imports get power over the hiring process, we're dealing with direct discrimination as Americans.

Why don't you actually try to educate yourself on the matter?

85 posted on 02/08/2014 1:43:52 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: jocon307

Yeah to what you said, sincerely hope things turn around for you. I am in a very similar situation.


86 posted on 02/08/2014 2:02:06 PM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Yossarian

Wait. You think that is something new? First it started with imports and our manufacturing got creamed. The influx of engineers is a result of most kids today can’t do the math to become an engineer. I am fully educated on the subject. So you want to blame ME because you want higher wages than the going rate. The economy is tuff. I suggest you study some basic economics like supply and demand.


87 posted on 02/08/2014 2:02:16 PM PST by IC Ken
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To: IC Ken

FU Ken


88 posted on 02/08/2014 2:07:55 PM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: IC Ken
I am fully educated on the subject. So you want to blame ME because you want higher wages than the going rate.

Yeah, that's the problem, especially - when they ask "What is your salary expectation?", and I reply "Whatever the going rate is for this position in your company." Yup, you nailed it!

Of course, we are to totally ignore your nice remark above that you put an engineer's resume in the garbage can for suffering from long-term unemployment.

You ARE part of the problem, by your own admission.

89 posted on 02/08/2014 2:11:29 PM PST by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian; All

Another unsolicited PM from “IC Ken”. I am breaking “netequitte” and posting these publicly as a) IC Ken is a Grade A Ahole, and 2) these are unsolicited ad hominem attacks on me, by a person who has never met me and does not know a thing about me. Guess it never occurred to IC Ken that when I apply for lower wage jobs for “a job, any job” I never get called for an interview since I have MBA coursework on my resume. But IC Ken knows it all, so let’s just sit back and wait for his wisdom/s

From IC Ken:

Get a job. Any job. Change your attitude some and maybe you can become hireable.


90 posted on 02/08/2014 2:16:34 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

And that is why when my husband’s job with IBM went bye-bye, he immediately went back too swinging a hammer, or paint brush or whatever, and took in computer repair work as an independent so there was no “blank” in his work history.


91 posted on 02/08/2014 2:42:30 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Next step (if I can’t make the freelancing work) is lower the salary I’m looking for, then bankruptcy, then move in with the kid.


92 posted on 02/08/2014 3:51:00 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jpsb

Thank you, I hope the same for you. At the risk of repeating myself, after being a hard and successful worker for the last almost 40 years I never, never, in my wildest nightmares thought I’d have this hard a time getting a job.

And let me just state for the record (even though it’s a little OT for this reply) I HAVE come down in the salary I’m seeking a good deal so far.


93 posted on 02/08/2014 4:54:19 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Ugh—bankruptcy would be a tough one.


94 posted on 02/08/2014 10:45:17 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Red in Blue PA

Actually there is something to if people took jobs for less money, there would be more of them. Just as when the government mandates more employer costs, employers hire less, if talent were available for less money, more would be hired.


95 posted on 02/08/2014 10:47:12 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Red in Blue PA

Best not to put everything on your resume if you’re looking for a ‘filler’ job.


96 posted on 02/08/2014 10:48:54 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Eh, it wouldn’t really bother me. I’ve “worked hard and played by the rules” and now I’m up the creek and living in a country where those in power (on all sides) seems very unconcerned with a person like me, I’ll file guilt free I can tell you that.


97 posted on 02/08/2014 11:08:55 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Just stepping up here a bit....but I don’t think you are the problem,...... it’s the state of this nation, business, and all under this administration forcing companies to do what they have to do to survive this beast controlling our nation.

Anyone working for someone else right now is on shaky ground even if they are working....the rules have all changed once were a part of our workforce and employment.

I think we should all take Government jobs and wreck havoc within it. Might be exactly why Obamacare isn’t getting fixed.


98 posted on 02/08/2014 11:20:58 PM PST by caww
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To: xrmusn

“Funny how the ‘giveaways’ are considered ‘benefits’ while my SS payments are ‘entitlements’.”
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What’s funny about that? You paid your money into SS so you should be “entitled” to your monthly check. What is funny is that people call welfare and food stamps entitlements as if people are entitled to them.
n·ti·tle
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verb (used with object), en·ti·tled, en·ti·tling.
1.
to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim: His executive position entitled him to certain courtesies rarely accorded others.


99 posted on 02/09/2014 12:36:34 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: IC Ken

Been there, done that, to hell with the T shirt. Ran my own business twenty years, paid unemployment taxes on my own salary and my few employees wages. Then when I shut it down due to rapidly changing technology I could not draw a dime.


100 posted on 02/09/2014 12:53:29 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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