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Drug dealers didn't kill Philip Seymour Hoffman -- Hoffman did
Fox News ^ | February 6, 2014 | Dr. Keith Ablow

Posted on 02/06/2014 5:33:55 PM PST by grundle

New York Police officers arrested four men Tuesday night on suspicion of having a connection to drugs. Police acted after receiving a tip that the four had sold heroin to actor Philip Seymour Hoffman, who was found dead from an overdose of the drug on February 2.

Drug dealers are far from my favorite people, and the arrests are welcome, but no drug dealer killed Philip Hoffman. Only one person is, ultimately, responsible for his death: Philip Seymour Hoffman, himself.

Mr. Hoffman was the one who procured the drug, injected the drug and kept injecting the drug. Mr. Hoffman was the one who risked leaving his girlfriend to deal with her grief and leaving their children, ages 10, 7 and 5, to deal with theirs.

No genetic anomaly can make a person text a dealer, withdraw a stack of bills from an ATM, pick up a supply of 70 bags of heroin, tie a tourniquet around his arm and inject the stuff into his vein.

No quirk of neurochemistry can make you rate getting high as more important than getting your kids through life. Only a disorder of character can do that.

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KEYWORDS: actor; atm; drug; heroin; hollywood; junkie; lifestyle; newyork; philipseymourhoffman; police

1 posted on 02/06/2014 5:33:55 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I had never heard of the guy but his face was familiar. Then I read that he portrayed Truman Capote and I remembered him.

He was pretty good in that movie.


2 posted on 02/06/2014 5:38:40 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

I saw him on broadway once. An amazing talent.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 5:46:24 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: grundle

We will never hear the end of this crap. Drugs killed the brilliant,Hollywood genius. Let’s call for more stringent drug laws. God forbid we should lose anyone else from Hollywood. After all actors have such an impact on everyday Americans who of course are of lesser intelligence.

This idiot killed himself pure and simple. Case closed. Nothing to learn here just the loss of one more drug addicted Hollywood type. One less voice trying to run all the rest of us commoners lives.


4 posted on 02/06/2014 5:48:48 PM PST by cquiggy
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To: grundle

At least he died doing what he loved the most.....drugs.


5 posted on 02/06/2014 5:50:01 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: grundle; yarddog; Puppage

I wish people would say this more often.

I’ve had horrendous demons and face them all minus drugs and booze; he had millions to play with and endless opportunities. He had no business skipping therapy or doing some genuinely fulfilling things with his time and resources.

His partner threw him out of the house because of his drug taking and that alone tells me he chose to potentially damage his kids because of his preference for drugs instead of their well being. He was a horrific example to his kids.

He loved drugs more than he did his life, opportunities, and his family.


6 posted on 02/06/2014 5:50:17 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: grundle

Of course the cops mobilize and leave no stone unturned for the dealer(s) that sold to him. Think they would’ve done that for anybody else? Nope, he would’ve been just another junkie that shot up one too many.


7 posted on 02/06/2014 5:50:25 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: dfwgator

More than his kids
More than his fabulous career
More than his partner
More than his friends


8 posted on 02/06/2014 5:50:59 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

He deserves the same contempt people reserve for homeless junkies.


9 posted on 02/06/2014 5:51:31 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: grundle

He gave her THREE KIDS and no ring..?

I don’t get it.

I think it’s a sign of Euro Sophistication, or something, if I don’t blink at this.

BREAK-DOWN IN MARRIAGE KILLS *ANY* CULTURE.


10 posted on 02/06/2014 5:55:48 PM PST by gaijin
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To: CorporateStepsister

I have over 17 yrs sober and I can tell you, it’s a program of want, not need.


11 posted on 02/06/2014 5:57:09 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: CorporateStepsister

I actually feel sorry for homeless junkies not that I think they are people to admire.

Same for Hoffman.


12 posted on 02/06/2014 6:01:59 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: CorporateStepsister

What I liked most about the article is that it crystallized my thoughts on why this particular overdose/suicide struck me so thoroughly.

I’ve been on both sides of this drama. While I’ve never done any drugs stronger than caffeine, alcohol, and a couple of cigars, I describe myself at 12-step meetings as an addict. I’m two years older than Hoffman, and my siblings and I were 10, 8 and 5 when my father took his own life.

The psychiatrist accurately describes the reactions of the kids, and I also know the kinds of issues that tortured Hoffman. Someone, one of his friends, should have checked his ass back into rehab. Once you’re in the addiction, you can’t pull up out of the nose-dive on your own.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 6:04:29 PM PST by GEC (Obamacare is the #MostEpicFailEver)
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To: GEC

Amen. Hoffman was a drug head. He had no God— No loved ones. He made no imprint on anything. He was just a slug and he killed himself. Good the hell riddance.


14 posted on 02/06/2014 6:12:31 PM PST by SADMILLIE
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To: dfwgator
At least he died doing what he loved the most.....drugs.

No. He loved Phil most. Drugs were the expression of this self love.

15 posted on 02/06/2014 6:40:17 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Democrats have destroyed more cities than Godzilla)
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To: grundle; All

Contributed (narrated a film or something) to
Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Not a member
of People Against Illegal Drugs.

Drug money finances illegal guns for
gangs and those in Afghanistan who
kill our soldiers. He was killed not by a
man with a gun but “shooting (up)”
himself. The ‘victim’ died by his own
actions.


16 posted on 02/06/2014 6:47:35 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I remember when John Belushi died.

There were all kinds of sob stories about how "we" killed him because we wanted him to be funny.

No sir. Even as a kid I knew that druggies want to be druggies.

The problem is that once a person who ALREADY used drugs makes the big time, all of a sudden they have much more $ to avail themselves of drugs.

Phil Hoffman even admitted as such.

He said: "Thank God I couldn't have afforded drugs when I was in my 20's. I'd be dead".

17 posted on 02/06/2014 7:09:05 PM PST by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: grundle

Sympathy for the family, but just another dead junkie worth about two lines in the obituary page.


18 posted on 02/06/2014 7:21:28 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Anything regarding this administration ..... remember I told you so first!)
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To: cquiggy

“This idiot killed himself pure and simple.”

Poor soul with a big purse and a troubled life. People try; some win and some fail. Some think they’ve won and fall anyhow. If you ever had addiction hit close to home, and I hope no one else does, you soon loose the scumbag attitude towards them. They have more than enough contempt of themselves to last what’s left of their lives.


19 posted on 02/06/2014 7:31:46 PM PST by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: CorporateStepsister

And let’s not forget he had the money to go away on a tropical island and get clean. Most have to sweat it out and hope they survive.

Blaming the dealer is like blaming someone else for someone’s suicide. The only person responsible for killing him or herself is the one that’s dead.


20 posted on 02/06/2014 7:52:44 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Insigne123

My Father-in-Law had one brother who was a general and another who had been a skid row bum. In his 60s he came to live with and sort of take care of his parents until they died.

He must have somehow kicked the habit as I never saw him drunk. The interesting thing is I liked him better than any of his far more successful siblings.


21 posted on 02/06/2014 8:01:58 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: grundle
No genetic anomaly can make a person text a dealer, withdraw a stack of bills from an ATM...

When I worked alcohol treatment back in the day we said "There is no gene that makes you cash your pay check in a bar instead of the bank next door."

22 posted on 02/06/2014 8:07:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: raccoonradio; All

“What does doing cocaine make you feel like? It makes you feel like doing more cocaine.”—Robin Williams

“They say taking drugs amplifies your personality. Yes...but what if you’re an a—hole?”—Bill Cosby


23 posted on 02/06/2014 8:41:34 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: grundle
Only one person is, ultimately, responsible for his death: Philip Seymour Hoffman, himself.

True.

However I would also say that only one person is ultimately responsible for the dealer being a dealer of deadly substances and that is the dealer.

In both cases it is sad.

24 posted on 02/06/2014 8:49:11 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: gaijin
He gave her THREE KIDS and no ring..?

Correct.

And she went right along with having three kids and no ring.

25 posted on 02/06/2014 8:49:54 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: grundle

Hoffman had the talent of a leading man and the face and body of a gay dog catcher. Heroin made him Brad Pitt


26 posted on 02/06/2014 9:02:11 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: VerySadAmerican

He could have spent millions on the finest therapy in the finest settings and he threw it away. The dealer wouldn’t be there if in fact he wasn’t wanted. Most sweat out their addictions in prison, or a less than nice rehab facility.

It’s not like he was short of friends he could talk to. I am dead sure that if for five minutes he had realized all he had, he would have been easily able to face it all. He could have conquered his demons and gone on to ever more glorious heights. He could have been a fine example and success story.

The dealer is being treated like the scapegoat. Like it’s his fault that he has customers. Hoffman would have been able to go to someone else.


27 posted on 02/06/2014 9:15:35 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Lizavetta

Women like this are such losers.


28 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:00 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

If it hadn’t been this dealer, it would have been someone else giving him the drugs.


29 posted on 02/06/2014 9:16:32 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Puppage

Good for you staying sober and clean!


30 posted on 02/06/2014 9:17:15 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Exactly; a lot people have problems in life, but don’t turn to drugs and it’s all choice in the end. By a certain point in life, we are all able to know what is and isn’t good for us and what it will do to us if we get involved with it.


31 posted on 02/06/2014 9:18:28 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: yarddog

I often think some people aren’t meant for major success and are better at the humble things. The real problem begins when in the view of many, the humble things aren’t good enough. So the humble and decent types can’t handle the disdain.


32 posted on 02/06/2014 9:20:01 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: grundle

Acting is an escape from reality, too.

I’m sick to my near death of hearing about this junkie’s “tragic” death.

He had it all, and threw it away for his nasty habit.


33 posted on 02/06/2014 9:22:25 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Yes this old guy was what I would call a comfortable person to be around. When we would visit my wife’s grand parents he would sit in a rocker on the back porch smoking a cigarette. I would often go sit beside him. He didn’t say much unless you asked him but if you did he was interesting.

He was also good at remembering things past. I got the impression that his large number of siblings were a little bit ashamed of him. My wife said he had been a genuine skid row bum, living homeless and drunk. He did look like he had led a tough life, was small and looked a bit worn out.

Like I said to start with, he was a pleasant guy to be around.


34 posted on 02/06/2014 9:37:14 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: grundle

I agree


35 posted on 02/06/2014 9:39:32 PM PST by wardaddy (Bus to Shreveport... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYF682WYRtw&feature=youtube_gdata_)
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To: yarddog

I think the relations that were ashamed of him are likelier to be rotting in Hades once it comes to their time.


36 posted on 02/06/2014 9:41:17 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: cquiggy

really..like his self indulgent death matters more than:

some housewife with fibromyalgia and a bad habit forgot how many Oxys she took that day

or some black kid dead from too much crack in some cold stoop somewhere

or some hillbilly kin of mine blows his meth lab and hisself up in some hollow on the plateau

and so forth

personally...i detest the cult of personality and attaching so much value on the ectoplasm of these pretend folks


37 posted on 02/06/2014 9:43:35 PM PST by wardaddy (Bus to Shreveport... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYF682WYRtw&feature=youtube_gdata_)
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To: cquiggy

ISRA Thursday Bulletin - February 6

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR’S MESSAGE

“The death of actor Phillip Seymour Hoffman, who died Sunday with a syringe full heroine stuck in his arm, is being lamented by many, but not by me. Hoffman narrated an antigun cartoon which demonizes gun ownership along with actress Julianne Moore and of course, it was financed by MAIG. The media is falling all over themselves saying what a wonderful guy he was, what a wonderful actor he was, and on and on. I disagree. People like Hoffman are part of the drug culture that is destroying our young people and tearing the fabric of this county apart.”

http://isra.org/


38 posted on 02/07/2014 5:43:26 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: boop

Yep. It’s really dangerous to suddenly be able to afford your vices. And people wonder why Justin Bieber is blowing himself up.

It takes a lot of discipline to have a lot of money and not completely blow it. Mike Tyson gets made fun of for blowing $100 million but how many of us would do better. I’d do better now that I’m in my 40s. At 24, I’d be dead from partying, driving fast, or both.


39 posted on 02/07/2014 8:32:09 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: CorporateStepsister
Sure. Not arguing that.

I am just saying that that all participants in this sad case, (with the exception of his children) made a willing and knowing choice.

I see no mitigating circumstances here for any of the adults.

40 posted on 02/07/2014 8:48:28 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: wardaddy

It matters more because he was possibly the best at what he did of any American of his generation.


41 posted on 02/07/2014 8:19:59 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

The drug & death dealers should be put away for a very long time


42 posted on 02/07/2014 8:20:34 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Borges

The best at.... something totally useless


43 posted on 02/07/2014 8:21:15 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

That was a fast response!


44 posted on 02/07/2014 8:21:16 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

lol


45 posted on 02/07/2014 8:22:12 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Are musicians useless too then? People who interpret what others wrote.


46 posted on 02/07/2014 8:22:40 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

download speed is 39+mbps right now


47 posted on 02/07/2014 8:23:35 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Borges

Oh please give it a rest

Are you on hire by LA LA land to defend their every scandal here on this forum

Seriously....you’re a one note johnny

Hoffman was what....the best 40 something year old character actor alive before last week?

Wow...

He loved H apparently more than acting or his kids

I know creative people.... was in a relationship with one

They tend to be self obsessed and somewhat neurotic and when successful utterly catered too

They play make believe and we watch...its more benign than bull baiting....but today likely more destructive and the catalyst to our negative diffusion

I feel for his kids....but less than I do for my 11 year old sons friend who has been an overnight guest and whose mom died in his arms from the flu last week.....Franklin TN....I don’t crap up like so many here

There are lots worse tragedies son than H head over banging....20 packets....just cause he acts for a living

I do confess I like when I agree with one...its like a unicorn....

And I miss Leno.....a polite fair liberal

Fallon and Letterman....two turds in same punch bowl.


48 posted on 02/07/2014 11:31:37 PM PST by wardaddy (Bus to Shreveport... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYF682WYRtw&feature=youtube_gdata_)
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To: wardaddy
IMO this is just the standard for Hollywood...Sex, drugs and being paid way more than they deserve for what they do.....they no longer even play their roles well...bunch of armatures at best.
49 posted on 02/07/2014 11:43:59 PM PST by caww
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To: wardaddy

I’m not defending H who is responsible for his own death. I was explaining why his death has gsnerated so much sorrow. He was possibly the best actor of the Gen X generation.


50 posted on 02/08/2014 5:01:35 AM PST by Borges
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