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Predator Drone Used to Arrest American Ranch Family
Cybercast News Service ^ | February 6, 2014 - 1:27 PM | Barbara Boland

Posted on 02/06/2014 6:02:36 PM PST by Olog-hai

A Predator drone designed to catch terrorists in Afghanistan was used to track a recalcitrant North Dakota rancher and his sons accused of cattle thieving and monitor them to see when they were unarmed and alert the police in a case believed to be the first where an American citizen was arrested with the aid of a drone.

On Jan. 14, 2014, Rodney Brossart was acquitted of stealing cattle and criminal mischief, but convicted of terrorizing police (a conviction he is appealing) and sentenced to three years in prison with all but six months suspended.

This all stems from an incident on June 22, 2011, when six cattle from a neighboring property wandered onto Brossart’s ranch. Brossart found the cattle and, not knowing to whom they belonged, penned them in an area known as the “missile site.”

Brossart refused to return the cattle without remuneration (which he is entitled to under state law), but the police asserted that Brossart needed to return the cattle to the neighbor under estray laws. …

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: brossart; cattleranch; domesticsurveillance; drone; drones; dronesus; first; liberalagenda; predator; predatordrone; surveillance

1 posted on 02/06/2014 6:02:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“....North Dakota rancher and his sons accused of cattle thieving....”

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Did the drone also bring the rope?


2 posted on 02/06/2014 6:05:47 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Olog-hai

This is the infrastructure for the US Berlin Wall.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 6:13:21 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Olog-hai

Patriot Act was the beginning of our end.


4 posted on 02/06/2014 6:15:55 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Olog-hai

So, was the cattle thieving just being used as a weak pretext for the “terrorizing” charge? Lots of questions to be answered here. It’s hard to sympathize with a cattle thief, but that doesn’t seem to be the crux of this issue, since he wasn’t charged with it.


5 posted on 02/06/2014 6:17:00 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I am the eye in the sky, looking at you, I can read your mind.


6 posted on 02/06/2014 6:18:40 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Olog-hai
terrorizing police

Very easy to do. They are always ready to say, "I was in fear of my life" and then as your body is carted away, someone will observe that at least the cop got to go home and be with his family. That's what counts.

7 posted on 02/06/2014 6:20:18 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Olog-hai

Appears the owners of the cattle that wandered onto the Brossart’s property may have been politically connected for the police to have reacted in such a manner. Something prompted an attitude.


8 posted on 02/06/2014 6:22:56 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Olog-hai
The officer had no right to enter the property and when he was denied entry he told Brossart he was under arrest? When he refused to be arrested the officer

.......repeatedly inflicted Taser electrical shocks to Rodney, all while Rodney violently convulsed in a puddle of water,” court documents state. After tasing the rancher 8-10 times, the police took him to county jail.

Good grief. As if that wasn't bad enough, they then used predator drones and a SWAT team to arrest other families and steal the cattle back. And a jury found that he was guilty of terrorizing the police??????

WOW.
9 posted on 02/06/2014 6:23:20 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Olog-hai

Whatever equipment law enforcement has, they will use whether they should or not. If you have this piece of equipment without the legal “rules” right there, they will use it regardless of the rules.


10 posted on 02/06/2014 6:25:15 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: fwdude

He didn’t steal any cattle. The cattle wandered onto his property and he didn’t know who they belonged to. He is entitled to compensation for any damages and care of the cattle under “estray laws” and that is why he wouldn’t release the cattle. He insisted on being compensated, as was his right. I guess the LEO felt he didn’t need to follow that law and arrested him.....after tasing him 8 to 10 times.

Not sure how that translates into terrorizing cops????!!


11 posted on 02/06/2014 6:29:50 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Olog-hai

This story is repeatedly told inaccurately and slanted to demonize the use of the drones, but there is much better reporting to be had.

“This case should have never happened,” said state District Judge Joel Medd. “Chalk it up to stubbornness, to stupidity, to being at odds with your neighbors or any combination of those. We should never have been here if the cows would have just been returned.”

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Asked by Medd why he didn’t simply turn over the six head of cattle to his neighbor, Brossart said, “Sometimes things don’t make sense.”

http://www.agweek.com/event/article/id/22473/#sthash.f5361kus.dpuf

He had a right to file a claim for payment for penning and feeding the animals with the courts NOT to keep them till paid. He was being a jerk to his neighbors and it all went sideways on him.


12 posted on 02/06/2014 6:36:49 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Marcella

Whatever equipment law enforcement has, they will use whether they should or not.
***In reality, this is a bit of a victory because he was “only” tased rather than shot to death (along with his dog). Like you said, they’ll use it but when they are required to have less-lethal force means on their person, they will be held accountable when they go home safely & the citizen was shot to death. All cops should be required to carry tasers. If only just to save the lives of dogs.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 6:45:40 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Olog-hai

This is an abuse of the law by police and a great example of why police should not be militarized with drones, equipment and weapons intended for use against our foreign enemies.

The rancher was not a cattle thief.
That is why he was acquitted of stealing cattle.

He was following the law - The police were not.

The police were doing an Obama onnd demanding he return stray cattle without compensatio him an that he was entitled to by law.


14 posted on 02/06/2014 6:53:47 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: fwdude
The other accounts I have read about this are way different. They Sheriff went out to talk with the rancher about the cows and was run off at gunpoint. The sheriff's dept asked for air support to cover the sheriff's retreat and a drone returning from it's border patrol track was retasked to support that request. The next day the sheriff had an arrest warrant from a judge and a SWAT team. The dept asked for drone support again and it was granted. CBP could have supported the warrant service with a helicopter from the office across town for less money and no national attention.

It sounds to me like the sheriff tried his best Andy Griffith imitation and was run off the property. The next day he brought the entire posse. All for the local Ernest T. Bass and his offspring. Every juridiction seems to have these types.

We had a local burned out drug user whose teenagers hosted a major drinking party at the house, when he was gone. The Sheriff's dept showed up and started writing minor in possession citations. Then the dad showed up and started freaking out so they wrote him 35 citations for providing liquor to minors and drug possession. This ended with threats to everybody in the county with a badge. A couple months later the kids got busted for robbing a drug dealer with a shotgun, so the dept seized the car and shotgun used. A couple months later he went on a coke fueled bender and was shooting a rifle off his roof wearing only underwear.

15 posted on 02/06/2014 7:23:12 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: RIghtwardHo

“Patriot Act was the beginning of our end.

Thank you GW Bush! /not


16 posted on 02/06/2014 7:24:26 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Girlene

The problem is “we the people” have forgotten about Ruby Ridge. Not one fed was ever prosecuted.

And the drones? That is truly the beginning of the end. Rand Paul should have made Obama say drones wouldn’t be used against citizens instead of drones wouldn’t be used to “kill” citizens.


17 posted on 02/06/2014 7:26:38 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Olog-hai

This happened in North Dakota. In Andrews, Texas the cops are arresting citizens for carrying guns in public even though it’s legal. And the cop agencies are closing ranks.

North Dakota. Texas. The cops are not our friends.


18 posted on 02/06/2014 7:31:02 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: USNBandit

Exactly. Also the deputy had a search warrant and the brand inspector with him following the neigboring ranchers complaint that Brossart was refusing to return the cattle.

They used a drone for the specific purpose of determining whether they had their guns on them or not, so they could avoid a shoot out. The noise of a helicopter would have tipped them off and they would have armed themselves.

It’s my understanding that the family are sovereign citizen nuts.


19 posted on 02/06/2014 7:56:53 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: fwdude

He didn’t steal cattle. Please read the article again.


20 posted on 02/06/2014 7:58:28 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Valpal1
Maybe he was being a jerk or maybe he wanted to make sure that he was compensated. Either way nothing justifies what was done to him or his family.

Your tag line implies that you have some understanding of the issues involved.

21 posted on 02/06/2014 8:05:43 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Or Waco. They were just test cases to see how the msm would demonize the victims and the public would go along with it.

It worked. More to come soon I'm afraid.

22 posted on 02/06/2014 8:17:45 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6

I don’t talk to cops or consent to searches without a warrant, but this guy has a long history of not playing well with others.

The procedure for getting compensated does not allow for holding the cattle hostage while demanding excessive compensation and running up a bigger feed bill. Sorta like tow truck company storage fees.

This guy brought the shitstorm on himself and then tries to wrap himself in the flag and claim jackboot oppression.

One thing conservatives need to be careful of is getting jacked up over the wrong causes.


23 posted on 02/06/2014 8:26:19 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1
What are sovereign citizen nuts?
24 posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:57 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Obama shouldn’t be allowed to determine the rules on drone engagement when it comes to law enforcement.

Drones should never have been approved for use over the US.


25 posted on 02/06/2014 8:34:42 PM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: BykrBayb
The few that I've personally run into seemed to think they didn't need driver's licenses or car registrations and issued themselves their own.

Because they're sovereign and the government doesn't have jurisdiction over them.

26 posted on 02/06/2014 8:45:44 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1
They used a drone for the specific purpose of determining whether they had their guns on them or not, so they could avoid a shoot out.

That kind of takes all the fun out of SWAT and armored breaching vehicles doesn't it?

27 posted on 02/06/2014 9:28:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I have been in and through Andrews many times... on my way to Eunice, NM or Kermit, TX. This is the first I have heard of open carry problems in Andrews.


28 posted on 02/06/2014 10:22:42 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: anyone

The previous thread, with link to Daily Mail article. . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2819909/posts


29 posted on 02/06/2014 10:31:12 PM PST by deks
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To: BykrBayb
"What are sovereign citizen nuts? "

The ones I've known don't bother with driver's licenses, vehicle registration, or income taxes. They call themselves 'sovereign citizens' as if they are their own government.

And when they run afoul of that other government, the one that the rest of us grudgingly adhere to, things get interesting and sometimes violent.

One of my coworkers bought into the sovereign citizen idea that income taxes didn't apply to him and he improved his standard of living during the years that he escaped the notice of the IRS. When they caught up with him his lifestyle took a turn for the worse. But at least he wasn't violent and didn't add that to his problems.

30 posted on 02/06/2014 10:49:10 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Olog-hai

I’ve set up an ADIZ up to 25k’ on my property. Anyone entering my airspace is a potential target. Aircraft must request permission prior to entering and include a flight pan for entry , exit and altitude.


31 posted on 02/07/2014 2:22:16 AM PST by maddog55
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To: Valpal1

“This guy brought the shitstorm on himself and then tries to wrap himself in the flag and claim jackboot oppression.”

I wasn’t born on this ranch but I’ve been here since Mom was able to leave the hospital, that was almost 64 years ago. I and my family have been at this business for over 100 years. Cows get in and cows get out, if a fence goes down you and your neighbor fix it, if cows crossed y’all gathered them up and got them back where they belong. This is called being a neighbor. My Grand Dad got injured pretty bad back in the late 30’s and neighbors from all around helped work cows when needed. 3 years ago we had a bad fire and half of the ranch burnt taking out the fences between us and the ranch to the west. We had cows every where and it took about 6 months to get them all back where they belong. Not once over all these years has anybody demanded compenstion, it was offered and as always refused. That fine young man pleading to press looks to be the poster boy for what a jerk neighbor would be. These are old ranches down here and we’re all old friends we don’t extort money from each other. Now selling and trading is a whole different game and the old timers held it to a fine art, my Grand Dad was one of the best.


32 posted on 02/07/2014 3:31:30 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Valpal1

Do you have some links? I’ll check them out.


33 posted on 02/07/2014 7:09:47 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: USNBandit
The other accounts I have read about this are way different. They Sheriff went out to talk with the rancher about the cows and was run off at gunpoint. The sheriff's dept asked for air support to cover the sheriff's retreat and a drone returning from it's border patrol track was retasked to support that request. The next day the sheriff had an arrest warrant from a judge and a SWAT team. The dept asked for drone support again and it was granted. CBP could have supported the warrant service with a helicopter from the office across town for less money and no national attention. It sounds to me like the sheriff tried his best Andy Griffith imitation and was run off the property. The next day he brought the entire posse. All for the local Ernest T. Bass and his offspring. Every juridiction seems to have these types.

Credit for attempting to resolve it with discussion and low-levels of impact.

Good Sheriff. Sorry he was pushed to this level.

34 posted on 02/07/2014 7:17:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Eagles6

Local coverage

http://www.wdaz.com/event/search/start_row/21/searchrange/all/keywords/brossart/order/date/


35 posted on 02/07/2014 9:57:11 AM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Olog-hai
Using a drone to catch cattle thieves?

I don't think that was what they were met for.

36 posted on 02/07/2014 10:03:02 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: McGruff

Actually it is.

Security cameras are used to monitor for criminal action

A drone is merely a movable security camera.


37 posted on 02/07/2014 10:06:59 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert
What's next?

Pull the car over or I'll have to vaporize you.

38 posted on 02/07/2014 10:25:02 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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