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Will The Overselling Of Global Warming Lead To A New Scientific Dark Age?
Forbes ^ | 2-7-2014 | Patrick Michaels

Posted on 02/07/2014 5:23:08 AM PST by edcoil

Will the overselling of climate change lead to a new scientific dark age? That’s the question being posed in the latest issue of an Australian literary journal, Quadrant, by Garth Paltridge, one of the world’s most respected atmospheric scientists.

Paltridge was a Chief Research Scientist with the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO). The latter is Australia’s equivalent of the National Science Foundation, our massive Federal Laboratory network, and all the governmental agency science branches rolled into one.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: climitechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoaax

1 posted on 02/07/2014 5:23:08 AM PST by edcoil
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To: edcoil

An excellent question which really needed to be asked.


2 posted on 02/07/2014 5:24:37 AM PST by circlecity
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To: edcoil

Interesting question.

Our scientific establishment has become extremely political. Our education establishment is likewise.

America needs to somehow wrest back, leadership.


3 posted on 02/07/2014 5:26:00 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: edcoil

No, real science will continue to advance,

just politicized scientISM will be suppressed.


4 posted on 02/07/2014 5:28:49 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: edcoil

If you want to understand the agenda, it’s all here in one declarative sentence:

“Science proves the bible wrong.”


5 posted on 02/07/2014 5:29:44 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: edcoil
“Will The Overselling Of Global Warming Lead To A New Scientific Dark Age?”

Totally irrelevant to the facts.

It is all about the liberal point of view. March in lock step with any liberal idea, and everything will be forgiven and forgot. Think not?

Do some research on ‘global cooling.’ Yes, the same fruitcake scientists that are now predicting global warning, 35 years ago predicted cars and greenhouse gasses would cause global cooling. Having a track record of ‘0’ means nothing if you will stay on the liberal line.

And when science is totally controlled by ideology, we are already in the “Scientific Dark Age.” The real question is “will we get out of the Scientific Dark Age before we f-up the world.

6 posted on 02/07/2014 5:33:00 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: edcoil

Bump!


7 posted on 02/07/2014 5:33:29 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: edcoil

no


8 posted on 02/07/2014 5:34:18 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: edcoil

It already has.


9 posted on 02/07/2014 5:37:06 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: MrB

Where will we get new scientists, when 99% of the schools and universities in this country “teach” the type of “science” used by global warming fanatics to “prove” their case?


10 posted on 02/07/2014 5:39:55 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: edcoil

We are already there.

Fake testing, “scientists” selling political views for ill gotten gain


11 posted on 02/07/2014 5:41:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: WayneS

Homeschooled children of conservative engineers... :)


12 posted on 02/07/2014 5:44:14 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: edcoil

Science is stronger than ever - incredible developments in medicine, computer technology, applied chemistry and the like continue apace.

It’s the public perception of science that will take a hit. And that may be a good thing - because of the technical achievements of the last century, more and more people came to confuse scientific knowledge with general wisdom. And like actors who are great at their craft but have their heads wedged in a familiar orifice when it comes to other things, there are lots of scientists who can master esoteric fields, but are absolutely clueless when it comes to politics or culture.


13 posted on 02/07/2014 5:50:17 AM PST by Stosh
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To: edcoil

Lead to? It’s a sign that we’re already there. AGW is just another pagan religion.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 5:51:00 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: MrB

I hope so.


15 posted on 02/07/2014 5:53:40 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
“Our scientific establishment has become extremely political.”

This happened during the Clinton administration. They changed funding criteria for the explicit pursuit of political agendas (reported in Science magazine). The Bush administration never changed it back. When science changed from understanding physical reality to pursuing agendas, it was the beginning of the end. The public was bound to notice eventually.

16 posted on 02/07/2014 6:04:23 AM PST by Varda
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To: edcoil

Heck, we’ve got the EPA - that motley collection of general science major D students.

And glow-bull “warming” is just another layer of stinky, smelly, septic libstuff (with flies included at no extra cost).

Thank G*d for the second ammendment.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 6:06:35 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: MrB

Unfortunately most of the research comes directly from universities and they have been taken over long ago by the alarmists.(leftists)


18 posted on 02/07/2014 6:23:56 AM PST by refermech
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To: edcoil

We can all be glad the kooks didn’t freak out back when the world first started warming up from the last ice age. Everyone assumed warmer weather was a good thing. At least it felt better on frost bite.


19 posted on 02/07/2014 6:49:45 AM PST by pallis
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To: edcoil

Does anyone here really believe the lib/left/socialist/dims would ever STOP coming up with Krazy Krap in an effort to advance their agenda?

The answer to both questions is No. Science will continue unabated.

But, will it be fair and honest science?


20 posted on 02/07/2014 7:00:24 AM PST by moovova
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To: edcoil

Lead to? No. It is a SYMPTOM of a new scientific dark age.


21 posted on 02/07/2014 7:02:44 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: edcoil

It will not be a scientific dark age.
It will, however, mean that we will no longer worship those in white lab coats and with scientific credentials as holier than thou experts.


22 posted on 02/07/2014 7:32:23 AM PST by tbw2
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To: edcoil

I’ve posted this before elsewhere, and never received an answer by a warmist. I also rarely see it discussed.

I think the biggest problem with climate forecasting isn’t the models or even the politics, but the data itself.

Here are the major problems, as I see them. Uncertainty, calibration, environment.

Uncertainty: Whenever you take a measurement, it is seldom a discrete quantity. For day-to-day purposes, saying the outside temperature is 75 degrees is fine, but for a scientific use, the uncertainty must be measured. Depending on the equipment being used, this might result in 75+/-1 or 75+/-2. In other words, with 75+/-1, the measurement best guess is 75, but the temperature could be as low as 74 or as high as 76. Essentially any number in that range is equally valid.

Calibration: While it would seem obvious that a measuring instrument such as a thermometer needs to be calibrated I suspect this has been overlooked to a large degree by “climate scientists”. Digital instruments often drift, mercury and alcohol thermometers may or may not have been calibrated when built and may or may not have been verified when put into service. Equipment gets dropped, bumped, and subject to environmental stress. If it isn’t calibrated regularly, and verified against a standard, then all the data collected from it is suspect.

Environment: If you’re measuring one variable, you need to control for the others. In the case of outside temperature methods, this would include things like measuring at the same time(s) every day, controlling the amount of shade and sunlight, the effect rain, snow cover or ice may have on an enclosure or the measuring equipment, etc. Making sure, for example, that the nearby air conditioner isn’t dumping it’s heat onto the measuring equipment. Over longer terms, things like paving, bodies of water coming or going, trees, urbanization, deforestation, etc. come into play.

From my reading, I don’t know that any of the above has been taken into account. I bet the number of weather recording stations that haven’t been subject to changes in their environment due to forest growth, urbanization, etc. over the last 100 years can be counted in the single or double digits. Modern digital thermometers can potentially give very accurate readings, but are they being calibrated? What is the uncertainty of those readings?

And let’s go back 50 or 60 years. Those measurements were likely intended for weather forecasting and made using mercury thermometers. I’d guess those measurements are +/- 1 degree, not accounting for calibration and environmental variance.

What about 100 years before that, where we have the earliest measurements? I suspect those were taken by a guy at a lighthouse walking outside to a thermometer he made himself and hung under a tree. Did he go outside at the same time every day, even when it was raining/snowing/cold? Was his equipment ever calibrated?

I’d guess that data has uncertainties in the +/- 2 degree range, maybe more.

What about before that? From what I’ve read, all we have are estimates based on tree rings and ice cores, and those estimates are based on the 150 years of questionable measurements and extrapolating to the past. That uncertainty has to be far larger.

So what’s this all mean? Well, the data has uncertainties any were from fractions of a degree in the present to probably +/- 5 degrees or more as you go back in the past.

Now, if they were saying that the current or predicted temperatures were 20 degrees higher +/-5, I’d be on the bandwagon with the rest of the warmists.

But, instead they’re saying it’s .7 degrees warmer now, with no indication of the uncertainty. I don’t know how that number could have anything less than +/- 1 degrees of uncertainty. That means, what they’re really saying is it could be anywhere from .3 degrees cooler now, to 1.7 degrees warmer. Any of those numbers are equally valid, but .7 is the best guess. In other words, it may be exactly the same temperature now as it was before (0) - there’s no way to tell because the data isn’t there.

Similarly, predicting the temperature will rise .4 degrees if the uncertainty is +/- 1 degree is practically meaningless when that .4 prediction is really anywhere from -.6 to 1.4, including 0, which would mean nothing would happen. And I suspect the uncertainty could be far greater.

Now, I’m not a scientist or a statistician, but as I understand it, there’s no way to iron out these measurement uncertainties with mathematical tricks, averaging or other techniques. It’s a data issue and until someone invents a time machine, we can’t go back and remeasure.

If I’m wrong here, I’d appreciate it if someone would correct me.


23 posted on 02/07/2014 8:05:17 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: edcoil

The solution for this is the creation of a scientific organization that is hard to get into, and just as hard to stay in. And many things now included in science will have to be excluded.

1) Research will have to be done with a strict scientific method, with no results that cannot be vetted with the scientific method elsewhere with independent basic data. This means that all research will have to be verifiable in all places and times, using uniquely obtained raw data.

2) Vetting cannot be done by those with similar educational or professional backgrounds. This means research must be described clearly enough to be carried out independently by scientists in unrelated fields. It is an effort to defeat “incestuous”, “round robin”, or otherwise corrupt vetting.


24 posted on 02/07/2014 8:06:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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