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Manchin: ‘We Haven’t Been Successful’ in Changing Afghanistan: ‘Time to Leave’
Cybercast News Service ^ | February 7, 2014 - 5:59 AM | Susan Jones

Posted on 02/07/2014 10:44:46 AM PST by Olog-hai

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) says it’s time to “rebuild America, not Afghanistan.” He and three other senators want Congress to debate a continued U.S. military presence in that country after 12-plus years of war:

“If military might or money would change that part of the world, we’d have changed it by now,” Manchin told a news conference on Thursday. […]

Manchin on Thursday joined fellow Democrat Jeff Merkeley (Ore.) and Republicans Mike Lee (Utah) and Rand Paul (Ky.) in introducing a resolution that says Congress should vote on the Obama administration’s reported plan to keep 10,000 American troops in Afghanistan for another ten years. …

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; joemanchin; rop; warofnecessity
More snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Maybe all the sick rules of engagement that favor the Taliban’s survival ought not have been implemented? Bad enough that Obama’s making the USA look weak without Dems and GOP-e adding to it.
1 posted on 02/07/2014 10:44:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Afghanistan is a failure and only idiots would want to keep trying to fix the unfixable.


2 posted on 02/07/2014 10:47:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Only because of the approach. The Taliban were nearly extinguished—and then along came the liberal marching orders that allowed them to start building back up. Setting up an Islamic government with someone like Karzai at the head was no help either.


3 posted on 02/07/2014 10:48:51 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The voters of WV must be tired of the cost of this war in Afghanistan. Same here in Ohio. Right across the board, there's no support for it. Flat out tired and will not support another 10 years.

In the past 6 months, there's been an epidemic of heroin use and deaths. People know this stuff is grown in Afghanistan and wonder why the fields are not dessicated. It's turning people against the program and the CIA in particular is being blamed in peoples minds.

4 posted on 02/07/2014 10:49:52 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Olog-hai
I don't know why we went into Afghanistan to begin with. Do they have resources to exploit?

It would've made more sense to keep the nutcases and their excuse for a culture in Afghanistand and out of the US than us trying to change them.

5 posted on 02/07/2014 10:50:21 AM PST by grania
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To: Olog-hai

The Taliban will be running Kabul 90 days after our last big drawdown


6 posted on 02/07/2014 10:51:09 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: grania

Iraq does have its existing oil resources, but the Uniparty handed them over to Red China.

Afghanistan has a lot of minerals (gold, copper, iron, lithium, cobalt) and natural gas, yes.

Of course, invasion for the purpose of natural resource seizure/exploitation would be construed by the liberal media as imperialism, under a government with the wrong party label in majority.


7 posted on 02/07/2014 10:53:29 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

There was never any way to win.


8 posted on 02/07/2014 10:53:31 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

The last thing I want is soldiers stationed at Afghan bases built by their grandfathers.


9 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

This reminds me of Obama being against the Fallujah surge and being proven wrong.


10 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:17 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It was never a policy option, but the smart thing to do would have been to overthrow the Taliban, and arm their enemies just enough that they will perpetually be killing each other, to the point where they simply are the entire country just gets tired of it. Go back for bombing when necessary. India or Russia have more to lose in Afghan - let the instability be their problem.

There was never anything of value in Afghanistan and there is no way for America to civilize a backward people.

As to the threat of terror - simply ban anyone from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and approx. 15 other M.E. countries / North African countries from entering the USA.

I do believe


11 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:46 AM PST by PGR88
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To: DoodleDawg

That’s the mindset of defeat.


12 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:47 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I’ve never been a fan of sending the military to win the hearts and minds of people.
I am more of a fan of sending the military to break things and kill people.


13 posted on 02/07/2014 10:55:28 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: PGR88

Imitating Carter wouldn’t have worked.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 10:55:31 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Repeal The 17th

That’s what should have happened.


15 posted on 02/07/2014 10:55:49 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If I recall, the Ruskies said the same thing back in 1980. Oh well, as they say, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity? Yeh....that works.


16 posted on 02/07/2014 10:56:08 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Olog-hai

Situations like Afghanistan are what NUKES were created for.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 10:56:35 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: grania

One of our local female national guardsmen went over there as some kind of liaison to Afghan women. She went over there with high hopes.

Now she says the only way to fix Afghanistan is to kill everything on 2 legs over 10 years old. She says that we shouldn’t feel sorry for the women either, they’re just as bad if not worse than the men.


18 posted on 02/07/2014 10:57:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mosaicwolf

The “Russkies” didn’t understand their enemy, their outlook being clouded by their communist ideology.

What makes things so bad here is that we did understand the enemy, and punted the ball to them anyway.


19 posted on 02/07/2014 10:57:50 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t want to see one more IED going off while we’re trying to win hearts and minds. Get out and if they act up again send in the bombers again.


20 posted on 02/07/2014 11:00:48 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: cripplecreek

We’ll leave in a hundred years or when Johnny Mac and Peter King say so.


21 posted on 02/07/2014 11:09:08 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Olog-hai
Afghanistan is not our enemy.

Afghanistan is the staging ground from which Qatar, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iran make war upon us.

22 posted on 02/07/2014 11:19:25 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Uzbeks drank my battery fluid!!)
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To: Notary Sojac

We removed the enemy in that country and then allowed them to come back by instituting cowardly rules of engagement. That’s the way it looks to me.


23 posted on 02/07/2014 11:23:02 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sadly this will probably resonate with his voters.

That ambulatory sea sponge Bob Casey got elected with pitches to Pennsyltucky voters that “all of the money that should be spent creating YOUR jobs and securing YOUR benefits has been WASTED in Afghanistan and Iraq by that EEEEEEVIL George W. Bush!”


24 posted on 02/07/2014 11:30:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: McGruff
I don’t want to see one more IED going off while we’re trying to win hearts and minds. Get out and if they act up again send in the bombers again.

There you go.

25 posted on 02/07/2014 11:44:14 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Olog-hai
That’s the mindset of defeat.

That's a fact of life.

26 posted on 02/07/2014 11:45:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Notary Sojac; Olog-hai
Iran and the Taliban are enemies. Iran and the northern alliance were allies. The US had to work thru Iran to set up our alliance with the northern alliance.

We invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban wouldn't turn over bin laden. Then, in 2010, thru foia, a document was released from NSC that ISI and the Taliban were still negotiating over bin Laden when Prez Cheney made the decision to invade.

So bin Laden and the Taliban hightailed it to Paki, se we decided to invade Iraq, it wouldn't take long to set Chalabi on the throne. But we got stuck in Iraq, and while we were there, the Taliban returned to Afghanistan and took over.

By then the Coindinistas had taken over the marines and army so Bush decided to run a counter-insurgency in Afghanistan, and dumbass Obama said he would too, if he was elected.

But, by late 2009, Obama figured out the counterinsurgency wasn't working, but the neocons accused him of dithering and held his feet to the fire, so Obama sent another 60 thou troops into the big muddy. But they are coming out now.

But we need to leave some troops there in case the Afghanistan civil war spreads to Paki and fundamentalist try to capture Paki's nuclear arsenal.

27 posted on 02/07/2014 11:59:01 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Olog-hai
Yes, liberal ROE have helped the Taliban. However, on the most fundamental level there are many reasons neither we nor those who tried before us have been successful in Afghanistan.

The terrain is so mountainous there could be thousands of troops in one valley and thousands of Taliban in the next, with a mountain in between and they would never meet.They are totally tribal and make and break alliances with each other as they perceive a need to do so. There is no basis for free market enterprise, no education to speak of, especially for women, no precedence for democratic govt.--in deed, no understanding of such.

We are totally wasting men and money there, and doubtless much of the funding has gone astray nto the pockets of Karzai and family/friends.

We didn't learn anything from the Russians, who tried for over 20 years to conquer the tribes.

Out NOW!

vaudine

28 posted on 02/07/2014 12:01:06 PM PST by vaudine
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To: vaudine

The faster we run away, the more that Iran gets encouraged.

If we are wasting men and money, it’s purely down to the rules of engagement, not because we can’t conquer the terrain (I think we could; it takes gathering of intelligence, which thanks to the liberals is another lost art).


29 posted on 02/07/2014 12:10:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Ben Ficklin
The Taliban is not an enemy of Iran. Certainly not when the Taliban even opened up an office on Iranian soil (in Zahedan).
30 posted on 02/07/2014 12:16:17 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: DoodleDawg

No, it’s a defeatist mindset. Those with the will make the facts in life.


31 posted on 02/07/2014 12:17:20 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
No, it’s a defeatist mindset. Those with the will make the facts in life.

Yeah.

32 posted on 02/07/2014 12:18:32 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Olog-hai
I submit to you that while we are there expending men and resources we ARE, in fact, running away and encouraging Iran. We are getting no place and will continue to get nothing done because of the leadership. THAT encourages Iran.

We are bleeding resources that may be needed elsewhere, while actually losing ground formerly gained.

vaudine

33 posted on 02/07/2014 12:21:30 PM PST by vaudine
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To: vaudine

That could be quickly reversed by going on the offensive. Instead, ROE dictate a purely defensive and pseudo-chivalrous stance.


34 posted on 02/07/2014 12:25:48 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
This should be an axiom of modern warfare taught at Carlisle:

If a culture/population does not want to evolve and mature from the 7th century into the 21th century, and persist in killing others, nuke them, it's the only way to be sure they don't reproduce. - M Kehoe

5.56mm

35 posted on 02/07/2014 12:29:58 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Olog-hai
Irans hostility towards the US exceeded that towards the Taliban,

Its a shia sunni thingy

36 posted on 02/07/2014 12:38:58 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

They get over that quickly when it comes to the Great Satan. Iran wants to build bridges across the Muslim World anyhow.


37 posted on 02/07/2014 12:39:45 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
You are right, but what are the chances with Obama clueless and the GOP lacking certain physiological necessities for strength and fortitude.

vaudine

38 posted on 02/07/2014 1:19:41 PM PST by vaudine
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To: cripplecreek

troops on the ground was one of the biggest mistakes of bush along with homeland security and tsa. like nixon and the epa. and the biggest mistake of reagan was supporting the muhajadeen instead of letting them and the soviets slaughter each other. the first 3 are not hindsight but obvious from the beginning. reagan’s is hindsight.


39 posted on 02/07/2014 4:08:33 PM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: cripplecreek

Kharzai is already negotiating with the taliban. What in the world are we there for? Better to bring the boys home and invade our true enemy Mexico and kill every SOB cartel member. Then occupy for 10 years. Why not? If you want to nation build what better country than Mexico? That way we can get all the cockroaches to go back home.


40 posted on 02/07/2014 4:40:13 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Olog-hai

Fallujah fell back to the muzzies. We died for nothing.


41 posted on 02/08/2014 12:07:06 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: CodeToad

Dying for nothing has a cause behind it. That cause is in DC.

Sad to say, but by that same definition, US troops killed in the Bosnia debacle also “died for nothing”.


42 posted on 02/08/2014 12:17:32 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Ben Ficklin
the Coindinistas had taken over the marines and army

Nice turn of phrase, sad but true. We decided to fight Vietnam all over again, complete with the pretend allies.

43 posted on 02/10/2014 6:49:01 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Uzbeks drank my battery fluid!!)
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To: Olog-hai
Those with the will make the facts in life.

The American people have the will, but only under certain circumstances.

(1) - We will only fight on the side of the good guys. Therefore, there must be good guys. Pretending one faction of the bad guys are in fact the good guys will not work for long.

(2) - We must be able to see measurable progress, from month to month, year to year. A moving line on the map is ideal.

(3) - Our leaders must declare that the objective is to destroy the enemy's will to fight, and then carry it out. Just as was done in 1865, 1918, and 1945.

Absent these three factors, the American people are inclined to quickly become war weary. And I can't say that I would blame them.

44 posted on 02/10/2014 6:59:13 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Uzbeks drank my battery fluid!!)
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To: Olog-hai

This winning the hearts and minds of barbarians is not working. How many of our finest men and women are gonna die or be permanently disfigured before we get the message?


45 posted on 02/10/2014 7:04:27 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: Notary Sojac

That’s all undeniable.

The sick thing is that the people in DC have known who the enemy is for 35 years and insist on doing less than nothing about it.


46 posted on 02/10/2014 11:43:25 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The sick thing is that the people in DC have known who the enemy is for 35 years and insist on doing less than nothing about it.


Because they hate looking in the mirror.


47 posted on 02/10/2014 11:54:45 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Notary Sojac

One thing I’ve noticed about the COIN people, they seem to all worship Colonel William E. Kurtz, the character played by Marlon Brando in the movie Apocalypse Now.


48 posted on 02/10/2014 1:22:37 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Olog-hai

When you look at DC today it’s as if all died for nothing.

I know that is not true but, take a look.

The enemy within needs killing.


49 posted on 02/10/2014 1:41:28 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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