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New and deadly handgun ammo combines 3 bullets in 1 shell
Electronic Products ^ | 01/31/2014 | Max Teodorescu

Posted on 02/07/2014 10:47:24 AM PST by null and void

If Robocop were real, he would probably use this ammo.

Multiple impact bullet, or MIB for short, is not your standard pellet-type round, such as the buckshot, and scattershot used in shotguns, but rather a .45mm handgun-type ammunition. MIB holds three projectile fragments that spread themselves in a specific pattern every time they're fired, thereby increasing hit probability and decreasing collateral damage. In essence, they're a law enforcement officer's dream.

The 3-in-1 round was invented by entrepreneur and game hunter, Todd Kuchman from Colorado, with the goal of increasing gun accuracy of nervous shooters. By employing a ballistic-strength fiber in the center of each bullet, Kuchman was able to contain the three shrapnel fragments within a finite distance of 14 inches across a Y-shaped pattern. This controlled distance makes the bullet ideal for hostage rescue squads aiming to take down a perpetrator holding a hostage close, as seen in most cliche'd cop movies.

A question of legality inevitably arises when dealing with the sale and manufacturing of a new kind of deadly weapon, especially one that advertises itself as being. Technically speaking, any type of ammunition is legal in the United States so long as it's not armor piercing, according to Earl Griffith, firearms technology expert for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Costing five dollars a bullet.


The wide shot range increases hit probability

The bullets can only be purchased from Kuchman's company, Advanced Ballistics Concepts, for five to six dollars a pop depending on whether customers opt for the .45mm handgun or 12-guage shotgun shells. The company has made a total of $100,000 in profits with the first two weeks, but gun analyst speculate that it'll be difficult for a new comer to succeed in a market traditionally dominated by the historic firms Winchester and Remington. Chiseling a segment of the market will involve many more years of extensive testing as well the adopt by law enforcement agencies, and frankly, I think this type deadly technology needs a bit more regulation.


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A "Killer-Cop" bullet...
1 posted on 02/07/2014 10:47:24 AM PST by null and void
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To: null and void

.45mm handgun ????


2 posted on 02/07/2014 10:50:04 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: null and void

More silly ammo that doesn’t work very well but is sure to be used by the anti-gun crowd.


3 posted on 02/07/2014 10:50:32 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: null and void

“thereby increasing hit probability”

They should probably reword that to “increasing hit probability to a vital organ”, or something along those lines.

Neat, and scary.


4 posted on 02/07/2014 10:50:48 AM PST by Antihero101607
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To: null and void

great now they can kill your dog and the neighbors dogs on both sides with on one shot


5 posted on 02/07/2014 10:50:49 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

typo alert


6 posted on 02/07/2014 10:51:46 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: null and void

I have some custom ammunition that has no fewer than NINE projectiles per shell. I can’t tell any more about it due to security considerations, but the box has “00” written on it.


7 posted on 02/07/2014 10:52:37 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: null and void; mylife; Clint N. Suhks; smokingfrog

“This controlled distance makes the bullet ideal for hostage rescue squads aiming to take down a perpetrator holding a hostage close, as seen in most cliche’d cop movies.”

If the frags spread 14” in 3 directions, isn’t that going to hit the hostage and the perp? Okay, I didn’t read the article, yet...


8 posted on 02/07/2014 10:53:05 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: null and void

I can recall someone (not me of course) purchasing 12 Ga “bolo rounds” at the Pomona, CA show. Lead balls connected with some sort of cable.

Also, .45 ammo with three stacked slugs in each, two discs and one 155 gr semiwad, for a total of 225 gr. It made 3 holes in the paper.

This round looks similar but the overall concept is much slicker. Wonder what it sounds like.


9 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:16 AM PST by DBrow
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To: bigheadfred

Count the mistakes in this article— there are many.


10 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:31 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
.45mm handgun ????

Recoil is a bitch. Can you believe companies are manufacturing deadly ammunition? Unreal.
11 posted on 02/07/2014 10:55:16 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Billthedrill

I’ll bet yours is less than $5.00 per round; maybe one fifth that cost.


12 posted on 02/07/2014 10:55:29 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: null and void
Increases hit probability....what a concept....

Maximum no. of persons shot....1....based on probability

13 posted on 02/07/2014 10:55:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: carriage_hill

Yea, I don’t see any point to this ammo at all, except maybe to deplete SWAT team gadget money.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 10:56:29 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: carriage_hill

Yep. All 3 sub-munitions hit within a 14” diameter circle, but the center of that circle is pulled every which way by the wobbling scoops on the ends of the strings.


15 posted on 02/07/2014 10:56:45 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: null and void
Technically speaking, any type of ammunition is legal in the United States so long as it's not armor piercing, according to Earl Griffith, firearms technology expert for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

I call BS. Even AP, APT, and APIT .50 BMG rounds are legal for purchase.
16 posted on 02/07/2014 10:57:01 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: null and void

Multiple projectile loads have been around for a long time and have never been very successful. Usually accuracy suffers greatly and the smaller projectiles have limited penetration ability especially through clothes, or windshields. Stick with modern single projectile expanding loads. They are more effective and cheaper as well.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 10:57:32 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: bigheadfred

useful in the war on dogs and drugs.


18 posted on 02/07/2014 10:58:18 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
.45mm handgun ????

LOL! That's 1.771 inches in diameter. I bet it kicks!
19 posted on 02/07/2014 10:58:20 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: null and void
".45mm "

What???? Wait... 0.45mm... Bull#$%#!

I believe the author meant a segmented 45 caliber... but I could be wrong.

And this has been tried before.

he separation physics is very sensitive to things like minute differences in mass of the facets, wind, perturbations from the sabot separation process and for various other reasons doesn't work well in live fire.

20 posted on 02/07/2014 10:58:40 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: carriage_hill
If you're going for a hostage taker with the victim held close, you want pin point accuracy with the round on the hostage taker, not the hostage. Something that spreads uncontrollably is the last damn thing you want your sniper using. The round probably isn't bad in a .45Auto in a close quarters confrontation. You don't usually get that luxury with a hostage taker.
21 posted on 02/07/2014 10:59:45 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: SampleMan

“Yea, I don’t see any point to this ammo at all,”

Exotic ammo collectors might like this, to put in the case next to Gyrojet and DU .410 slugs.


22 posted on 02/07/2014 11:00:20 AM PST by DBrow
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To: null and void
frankly, I think this type deadly technology needs a bit more regulation.

Right. I think users of the 1st amendment need a bit more regulation, frankly.
23 posted on 02/07/2014 11:00:33 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: null and void
45mm handgun

Nice. Although I'd rather get one of these 105mm handguns. Though ammo cost is a bitch.


24 posted on 02/07/2014 11:01:31 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: andyk

That’s .018” diameter - about the same size as a sewing needle. Accelerate it to mach 5 and maybe you would get some recoil.


25 posted on 02/07/2014 11:01:35 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: null and void

They have had soemthing similar for a long time. many law enforcement agencies have a 12 ga. round that fires two large ball bearings connected by a short cable. The reasoning for that round was yu could open a hole through a door and then fire a regular round through, assuming your target was foolish enough to stand by the hole. Obviously, its intended use is quite different than that suggested.

I suspect, without knowing the ballistic info behind this new round, it would lose too much of its stopping power, the range of the round would certainly be lessened. No doubt it would hurt like heck, possibly maim, but I don’t think it would be all that effective at flat out stopping. I think it would be useless in the hostage scenario they suggest.

Now a 12 ga. or even a 40mm grenade launcher with a device that expanded even further that could wrap around a perp might be something. I know one of the villians on the Tick had one and assuming television hasn’t lied to me, it could work.


26 posted on 02/07/2014 11:01:37 AM PST by rey
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To: DUMBGRUNT
.45mm handgun ????

Of course. Have you not heard of the new 0.018 caliber?

27 posted on 02/07/2014 11:02:02 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: null and void; SampleMan

Kind of looks like a bolo, doesn’t it? No fps numbers, but I’d imagine that *hurts* pretty darned good. Tore-up the cardboard silhouette pretty good; I can imagine what it’d do to skin.


28 posted on 02/07/2014 11:02:57 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: null and void

“A question of legality inevitably arises when dealing with the sale and manufacturing of a new kind of deadly weapon, especially one that advertises itself as being.”

Ammo with beingness?


29 posted on 02/07/2014 11:05:19 AM PST by moovova
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To: ltc8k6

As taught in the NRA concealed carry course I took, every fragment, like every solid round, has a lawyer attached. I’d rather deal with controlled hits than worry about that silly string trying to hold things together.


30 posted on 02/07/2014 11:05:38 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Lulz


31 posted on 02/07/2014 11:07:57 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Trade ya my both Kimber 1911 .45cal ACPs for one of those!
32 posted on 02/07/2014 11:08:10 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
.45mm handgun ????

I caught that too and immediately thought... "Another media mental midget writing about something totally foreign to them."

33 posted on 02/07/2014 11:08:27 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: null and void
I think this is better ...

http://g2rip.com/

And you gotta love a self-defense cartridge named RIP.

34 posted on 02/07/2014 11:09:03 AM PST by dartuser
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To: Freeport

he separation physics is very sensitive to things like minute differences in mass of the facets, wind, perturbations from the sabot separation process and for various other reasons doesn’t work well in live fire.”

Can you imagine how much those quarter moon shaped projectiles will tumble and fly off at random angles? There is a reason bullets are shaped the way they are.


35 posted on 02/07/2014 11:10:14 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: ZX12R

> .45mm handgun ????
>
> LOL! That’s 1.771 inches in diameter. I bet it kicks!

Nope, you’re off by a couple orders of magnitude:
0.45 mm = 0.01771654 in

So no kick at all; and you need tweezers and some REALLY steady hands to load it...


36 posted on 02/07/2014 11:10:18 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dartuser

And it’s lead free!


37 posted on 02/07/2014 11:10:26 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: andyk

I think they are talking about not the ability to punch through armor, but rounds made specifically to go through armor. A rifle round will definitely punch through a soft vest, legal. Armor piercing FN 5.7 rounds made for punching through armor, illegal.


38 posted on 02/07/2014 11:10:29 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Myrddin

Exactly my point; thanks.


39 posted on 02/07/2014 11:10:36 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Billthedrill
I have some custom ammunition that has no fewer than NINE projectiles per shell. I can’t tell any more about it due to security considerations, but the box has “00” written on it.

Wow. We must shop at the very same Advanced Weapons Technology lab.

40 posted on 02/07/2014 11:12:01 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: null and void
Here's their website.
41 posted on 02/07/2014 11:12:50 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Nice. Although I'd rather get one of these 105mm handguns. Though ammo cost is a bitch.

I prefer the 155mm version:

42 posted on 02/07/2014 11:13:03 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: null and void
By employing a ballistic-strength fiber in the center of each bullet, Kuchman was able to contain the three shrapnel fragments within a finite distance of 14 inches across a Y-shaped pattern. This controlled distance makes the bullet ideal for hostage rescue squads aiming to take down a perpetrator holding a hostage close, as seen in most cliche'd cop movies.

This is utter crap BS. What shooter in their right mind would trust a bullet with a 14" spread to hit a perp and not a closely held hostage. BS and more BS.

The writer knows nothing of which he writes.

43 posted on 02/07/2014 11:13:04 AM PST by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: carriage_hill
“This controlled distance makes the bullet ideal for hostage rescue squads aiming to take down a perpetrator holding a hostage close, as seen in most cliche’d cop movies.”

The author of the article doesn't know the first thing about guns, ammo or ballistics. This is obvious by his confusion between the different designation of ammunition. He confuses MM with caliber (as in 9mm Vs. .45ACP). Thus he thinks this ammunition is 45mm. I expect he is also confusing a couple of tidbits of things he's read and heard regarding this or any other ammunition. The statement above obviously makes no sense at all to knowledgeable folks.

Another total dunce reporting out of his element

44 posted on 02/07/2014 11:13:19 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Freeport
"And this has been tried before."

It was a called Triton, and it was advertised as being invented by the guy that invented Hydroshock. The company didn't last too long. I think that I still have a box.

45 posted on 02/07/2014 11:15:55 AM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: OneWingedShark
So no kick at all; and you need tweezers and some REALLY steady hands to load it...

Sorry, missed the dot. .45mm is about the diameter of a pinhead. I guess they meant .45 inches. Why are journalists so damn incompetent?
46 posted on 02/07/2014 11:16:10 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ZX12R
LOL! That's 1.771 inches in diameter. I bet it kicks!

Incorrect. But I see where you missed the the decimal point before the "45mm" part.

.45mm = < 1/2 mm. It would be almost half as wide as a fingernail is thick. LOL. Good luck trying to load that ammo in a clip. Now we should find a "handgun" to shoot it.

47 posted on 02/07/2014 11:17:25 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: matthew fuller

Actually, Triton was not supposed to separate until it hit the target.


48 posted on 02/07/2014 11:17:45 AM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: ZX12R
Why are journalists so damn incompetent?

Because if they were competent they might write actual news stories, and actual [truthful] news is deadly to our political caste.
At least that's my theory.

49 posted on 02/07/2014 11:18:50 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: null and void
but rather a .45mm handgun-type ammunition

That's some seriously small ammo.

50 posted on 02/07/2014 11:19:13 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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