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THE BIBLE'S AGE FOR THE EARTH
CreationMoments ^ | Feb 7, 2014 | CreationMoments et al

Posted on 02/07/2014 3:11:21 PM PST by fwdude

Genesis 1:1
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

Just when was the “beginning” when God created the heavens and the earth, as spoken of in Genesis 1:1? In these days when scientists talk about “billions” of years, the question of what the Bible says on the matter of origins becomes even more important.

Archbishop James UssherFew people doubt that the Bible intends to teach that the creation is young. The genealogies of the Old Testament are actual reproductions of the calendar system used in most ancient times.

While the subject is very complicated, we can share with you the calculations done by some well-known Christians. You are probably familiar with Bishop Ussher’s calculation that creation took place in 4004 B.C. But did you know that no less than the great scientist Kepler calculated that creation took place in 3877? Martin Luther calculated that creation took place in 3961 B.C. The very oldest ages arrived at through calculations based on Scripture say the creation is about 7,500 years old.

For the Christian, the question of the age of the creation can only be answered on the basis of Scripture. There is no question that Scripture gives us more than enough information to conclude that the creation is young and that God wants us to know it. After that, it is simply a matter of whether we accept Scripture’s authority.

Prayer:
Dear Heavenly Father, help my thinking not to be conformed to this world, but help me to be transformed by Your renewing of my mind so that my faith in Your clear Word is unshakable. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Notes:
Painting: Archbishop James Ussher, painted by Peter Lely (1618–1680).


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution
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Note: This article is NOT a discussion on the merits or weaknesses of either the evolutionary or creationist views. It simply establishes that Scripture is clear on which view it holds, without any equivocation whatsoever.
1 posted on 02/07/2014 3:11:21 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude

I have a question - how old was Adam when he was created?

A follow up: how old did he look?


2 posted on 02/07/2014 3:15:22 PM PST by Frapster (Build the America you want in your home... and keep looking up.)
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To: fwdude

Not having been there, I don’t know for sure.

Am I confident that science has really nailed it at about 14 billion years old? Not really.

A solid belief in this isn’t required for me to believe in God, Jesus and the sacrifice that was made for me and my fellow man. I figure in time I’ll get the answer I would like on it.

Until then, I don’t care what some folks say. I’m comfortable with them having a different opinion than my own.


3 posted on 02/07/2014 3:15:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: Frapster

That would be a question for Eve :)


4 posted on 02/07/2014 3:16:07 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Again, this article is not a debate about the age of the Earth, it is an argument for the position of the Bible on the age of the Earth.


5 posted on 02/07/2014 3:18:04 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
It simply establishes that Scripture is clear on which view it holds, without any equivocation whatsoever.

God did it they way He wanted to do it. What's the problem?

6 posted on 02/07/2014 3:18:31 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: fwdude

haha - true. so i’ll rephrase the question... did he have an appearance that would be incongruous with his real age? I mean I have a general idea of what I looked like immediately at conception. We can extrapolate, then, that Adam had an appearance of age, correct?


7 posted on 02/07/2014 3:18:36 PM PST by Frapster (Build the America you want in your home... and keep looking up.)
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To: fwdude
what the Bible says on the matter of origins becomes even more important.

Why is this so so so very important?

8 posted on 02/07/2014 3:18:51 PM PST by DManA
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To: fwdude
I will disagree. The view in this post makes one large assumption (in my view)...

Here are the opening verses in Genesis:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

[No amount of specific time can be calculated here]

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

I do not think you will get everyone to agree on the timeline in the article. If the Scriptures were absolutely clear, everyone who accepts the Scriptures would agree. They do not.

In the end, at least speaking for me, it doesn't matter whether the earth is 4,000 years old or 4 billion years old [insert your best estimate of time between verse 2 and verse 3]. It only matters that HE made it all by speaking.

Christians often speak of things as if they are ABSOLUTELY true. I've divided up my understanding of Scripture into opinions, beliefs and convictions. The category of Conviction includes only those things I am willing to die for. The exact age of the earth isn't anywhere close to this level.

9 posted on 02/07/2014 3:19:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: fwdude

Okay, and you think the issue is going to stick to a debate on the theories on the Biblical time frame? Is that right? Good luck with that.


10 posted on 02/07/2014 3:19:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: fwdude
Few people doubt that the Bible intends to teach that the creation is young.

What nonsense. The vast majority of Christians don't believe that's what the Bible "intends" to teach

11 posted on 02/07/2014 3:20:26 PM PST by DManA
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To: DoughtyOne
Am I confident that science has really nailed it at about 14 billion years old?

http://bigbangneverhappened.org/

12 posted on 02/07/2014 3:21:48 PM PST by jdege
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To: fwdude

well - i want to discuss the issue of age. is that permissible? :)


13 posted on 02/07/2014 3:22:16 PM PST by Frapster (Build the America you want in your home... and keep looking up.)
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To: fwdude

The young earthers are resting on a foundation of folly.

One cannot calculate based on the age of Adam at death. His age in years was from the time of his expulsion from Eden, not from the date of his creation.

Adam was immortal with no need to count his years; nor would he likely understand what a year was.

Nor do evolutionists escape ridicule for their knee jerk jibes and attacks on the Bible. Adam could very well have been in the Garden for a billion years.

There is simply no way to know for certain.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 3:23:12 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Here here! Love this!


15 posted on 02/07/2014 3:23:37 PM PST by Frapster (Build the America you want in your home... and keep looking up.)
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To: fwdude
"Note: This article is NOT a discussion on the merits or weaknesses of either the evolutionary or creationist views. It simply establishes that Scripture is clear on which view it holds, without any equivocation whatsoever."

Perhaps in your mind the Scriptures are clear on which view "it holds". The fact of the matter is that the term "day" is used at least four different ways in the OT. There are only approx. 3000 Hebrew words used in the entire OT and there are about 1.25 million English words available to translate to. Thus, we don't actually know what Moses intended (or God directed, we should say) when he penned the end of the "first day". Before we take on Ussher's 4Pm on Oct. 12 (or whatever) kooky timing, we ought to consider how disparate the possible answers might really be.

16 posted on 02/07/2014 3:24:36 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: fwdude

You are making assumptions.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:19 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: jdege

Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out.


18 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: fwdude

Argument fails.


19 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:41 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: fwdude

Do you know how old Christ was when he died on the cross?

Is everything that has ever happened mentioned in the Bible with specific timelines associated to each event?

Could you use your average history book to accurately measure the time that has elapsed from chapter 1 through to the end?

The answer to all of the above is “No”, and to claim otherwise is ridiculous. To then further claim that the Bible wants us to know that the answer is “Yes” is ... just wow.

It’s extremely narrow minded, narcissistic, and verging on insanity, to believe this.

Now - if Earth was created with dinosaur bones already buried in the dirt, and the universe with our sun already in full-swing, then fine, though I can’t find anywhere in the Bible where it says these things.

You can take the Bible to mean things literally 100% of the time, but then you can’t interpret anything and must take it all at face value - which no right-thinking Christian is going to do. You can’t have it both ways.


20 posted on 02/07/2014 3:25:48 PM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: fwdude

It’s real simple. If you believe, then your Faith follows what the Bible says and you believe the Bible is 100% spot on. If one part of it you do not believe, then you are saying that God made a mistake. My God does not make mistakes. The Bible is 100% true because I believe in the death, burial and resurrection of my LORD Jesus Christ. I don’t worry about whether the earth is 6,000 days, six billion years, or whatever. God told me He created the earth. That was enough for me. He elected not to give us any greater details. One day in Heaven we will know all. I will worry about it then.


21 posted on 02/07/2014 3:26:18 PM PST by RetiredArmy (All that call upon His name shall be saved! HE is the ONLY way to heaven. Only HIM!!)
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To: fwdude

The fact remains that the Creation occurred sometime around 6000 years ago or perhaps 7500 years ago or even just 5900 years ago. We have it pinpointed within 1500 years or so.

On the other hand, the Evolutionists admit that they could be billions of years off on their guess.


22 posted on 02/07/2014 3:28:47 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: fwdude
"That would be a question for Eve :)"

No way! It's impolite to look into a woman's age!!!

23 posted on 02/07/2014 3:29:16 PM PST by SierraWasp (Democrats these days are the "Glitches" in America's way of life and culture!!!)
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To: Hostage
"Adam could very well have been in the Garden for a billion years."

Excellent point.

(One thing I am certain of, though - Jesus died for my sins, I accept Him as my savior, I will live with Him for eternity).

24 posted on 02/07/2014 3:29:39 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: fwdude

Give me that old time religion, it’s good enough for me!!!


25 posted on 02/07/2014 3:30:30 PM PST by SierraWasp (Democrats these days are the "Glitches" in America's way of life and culture!!!)
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To: fwdude
It is not either / or. See:

Gerald Schroeder

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

26 posted on 02/07/2014 3:30:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Oliviaforever

“The fact”

Bzzzt. See my previous reply.


27 posted on 02/07/2014 3:30:49 PM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: DoughtyOne
A solid belief in this isn’t required for me to believe in God, Jesus and the sacrifice that was made for me and my fellow man. I figure in time I’ll get the answer I would like on it.

"There is no question that Scripture gives us more than enough information to conclude that the creation is young and that God wants us to know it. After that, it is simply a matter of whether we accept Scripture’s authority."

Do you? Can you not and still claim to hold all the "beliefs" you claim to?

28 posted on 02/07/2014 3:33:46 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude


29 posted on 02/07/2014 3:35:11 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Frapster
I have a question - how old was Adam when he was created?

Less than one second.

A follow up: how old did he look?

He was created a man.....so it's assumed (doesn't ever say) he was probably fully formed, had a beard and was able to reproduce. In other words............he had no childhood.

30 posted on 02/07/2014 3:35:19 PM PST by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: DManA

Bingo!
The only reason it is important is so the Left can label Conservatives as stupid.


31 posted on 02/07/2014 3:36:04 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Frapster
did he have an appearance that would be incongruous with his real age?

If you think about it, "age" was irrelevant to the original design because man was never created to die or, by implication, to even "age," with all of the deterioration that the word means to us.

32 posted on 02/07/2014 3:36:30 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Oliviaforever
On the other hand, the Evolutionists admit that they could be billions of years off on their guess.

No they don't. The timeline is actually rather specific, and the physical evidence extensive.

Unlike creationists, who have zero evidence to back up their arguments.


33 posted on 02/07/2014 3:37:35 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: DoughtyOne
Okay, and you think the issue is going to stick to a debate on the theories on the Biblical time frame? Is that right? Good luck with that.

Yes, I'll concede that I cannot control people going off on irrelevant tangents. It happens all the time on FR.

34 posted on 02/07/2014 3:38:00 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
Few people doubt that the Bible intends to teach that the creation is young.

I'd like to know if the author asked anyone outside his congregation before making this determination.

35 posted on 02/07/2014 3:39:48 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: Hostage
One cannot calculate based on the age of Adam at death. His age in years was from the time of his expulsion from Eden, not from the date of his creation.

Fair enough. But years existed, nevertheless - COUNTABLE years. So age existed, although it was irrelevant to Adam's original state.

36 posted on 02/07/2014 3:40:05 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
irrelevant tangents.

That is hilariously ironic on (yet another) creationist post.

37 posted on 02/07/2014 3:40:29 PM PST by DManA
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To: DoughtyOne
Am I confident that science has really nailed it at about 14 billion years old? Not really.

I know, it seems like it changes over time. When I was 8 years old in 1974, they said the Universe was 13 or 14 billion years old. By 1980 when I was a young teenager, it was 15, closer to 20 billion. Now it is 2014 and it is back to 14 billion like it was in 1974. Who really knows?
38 posted on 02/07/2014 3:40:41 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: fwdude

“In the beginning ... “

Is that in the beginning for God or just mankind? Clearly not for God because God always was and always will be. It could mean in the beginning for mankind as we know it.

I don’t believe God found it important for us to know every little detail. Was the world as we know it God’s first creation? I am not sure about that. I believe he created angels before he created man. God doesn’t find it necessary for us to know the exact details of all his creations.

I don’t fully understand all the details of creation but it does nothing to shake my faith that Jesus came to save the world. He was crucified and resurrected.


39 posted on 02/07/2014 3:40:46 PM PST by boycott
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To: Dutchboy88

What part of, “there was evening and there was morning, the first day,” is ambiguous about the clear meaning of scripture?


40 posted on 02/07/2014 3:41:37 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: iowamark

And you are being ambiguous and unclear about what you are talking about.


41 posted on 02/07/2014 3:42:16 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Funny how this the article following yours on Freerepublic.

Scientists Find 800,000-Year-Old Footprints In UK


42 posted on 02/07/2014 3:42:34 PM PST by BushCountry (Obama: The dentist told me I need a crown. I was like I KNOW, RIGHT?)
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To: Frapster
"well - i want to discuss the issue of age. is that permissible? :)"

I take it your point is that if Adam was created as a fully mature man (or looked like one) then why couldn't the Universe have been created as a fully mature one with a 15 billion years worth of wear on the tires. (the "world in motion" theory). On the other hand, if Adam was born an infant who knows how long it took Man to mature in the pre-curse world. It could have been eons before he grew up and Woman was created. Interesting. Actually, this is a better place to put "the long pause" than proponents of the long pause theory put it.

43 posted on 02/07/2014 3:42:50 PM PST by circlecity
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To: fwdude

I am sorry but there is not one single statement in the Bible regarding the age of the earth. Calculations on the age of the earth are based upson conjecture and assumptions. We do not know the mind of God so we do not know that He wants us to know that the earth is young.

A lot of evil has come about in this world due to people knowing that they truly understand and know the mind of God, thus allowing them to make interpretations as to what is really meant in the scriptures.

I am a Christian and have read the Bible several times. Please keep in mind that the Bible was never intended to be a scientific document


44 posted on 02/07/2014 3:44:45 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: RetiredArmy

Do you believe in the Firmament? The invisible dome that separates the Earth and the heavenly ocean? If you take the Bible literally on the Creation story you must also believe in this.


45 posted on 02/07/2014 3:45:24 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

There was a heckuva lot of rain one day...you may have heard about it...


46 posted on 02/07/2014 3:48:10 PM PST by MarDav
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To: Psalm 73; Hostage
"Adam could very well have been in the Garden for a billion years."

Excellent point.

Although you would have to disbelieve the Bible to believe that (which is what this piece argues):

Genesis 5:3-5 (NIV):
"When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam live 930 years, and then he died."

47 posted on 02/07/2014 3:49:56 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MarDav

Yes but I wasn’t there so it must not have happened. This is a popular “argument” on these threads lately.


48 posted on 02/07/2014 3:49:58 PM PST by DManA
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To: MarDav

God was gonna make rain a thousand days and drown ‘em right out...but Noah convinced him to let it rain just 40 days and wait for the sewers to back up.(from Bill Cosby’s “Noah”...(ding!)


49 posted on 02/07/2014 3:52:35 PM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: mdmathis6

Riiiiiiiiight.

Cosby’s wonderful.


50 posted on 02/07/2014 3:53:42 PM PST by DManA
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